Lovely to watch, but how does the Tour STOP the rash of sub 60 rounds

[nichho]

Sure roll back the ball and bring back Lawrence Welk, Benny Hill, Mr. microphone commercials, wool underwear,

Black and white TV and American bandstand hosted by zombified Dick Clark.

 

Swing your hickory niblick and mashie well Govna.

 

You watched Benny Hill??

[bscinstnct]

Sure roll back the ball and bring back Lawrence Welk, Benny Hill, Mr. microphone commercials, wool underwear,

Black and white TV and American bandstand hosted by zombified Dick Clark.

 

Swing your hickory niblick and mashie well Govna.

 

You watched Benny Hill??

 

We all watched BH as kids.

 

Had some of the finest birds on the telly ; )

 

 

[PGArox]

Guys,

 

I don't know the answer, but I'm pretty sure that changing the ball will never happen, particularly when the golf business is struggling.

 

More length hasn't worked.

 

Should the courses be made tighter, with more bunkers and/or rough? I'm not sure because I don't want it to be too penal and see every course set up like a US Open with +1 winning.

 

What do you think?

 

Why would they wish to do that? The professional tours are all just a business. Their purpose in existance is to make money and money comes from television advertising. Low scores sell Viagra and luxury cars to old white men.

 

Lot of good responses in this thread, but this one really cuts to the core.

[KYMAR]

Sure roll back the ball and bring back Lawrence Welk, Benny Hill, Mr. microphone commercials, wool underwear,

Black and white TV and American bandstand hosted by zombified Dick Clark.

 

Swing your hickory niblick and mashie well Govna.

 

You watched Benny Hill??

 

Is this a serious question? I was 12 years old. So ya know, boob's on TV.

 

Yes I watched Benny Hill

[MtlJeff]

Guys,

 

I don't know the answer, but I'm pretty sure that changing the ball will never happen, particularly when the golf business is struggling.

 

More length hasn't worked.

 

Should the courses be made tighter, with more bunkers and/or rough? I'm not sure because I don't want it to be too penal and see every course set up like a US Open with +1 winning.

 

What do you think?

 

Why would they wish to do that? The professional tours are all just a business. Their purpose in existance is to make money and money comes from television advertising. Low scores sell Viagra and luxury cars to old white men.

 

Lot of good responses in this thread, but this one really cuts to the core.

 

Unfortunately the sponsors don't write the rules but in this case it might help if they did.

 

As with all the issues involving the tour, it's a tiny amount of golfers being impacted and we care about it far too disproportionate

 

At your local clubs, guys going low usually means 71. That's not gonna kill golf.

 

A guy shooting a 59 every couple of weeks, I just don't see why it's so bad. You know Usain bolt would've beaten jesse Owens in a footrace, it doesn't make Owens accomplishments less impressive. Hadwin shooting 59 doesn't mean Nicklaus was a bum

[Hawkeye77]

All they'll do is make courses longer. Seems to be the American way.

 

They have to set St. Andrews up almost 400 - 600 yards longer for The Open depending on whether you look at the stated length or even "championship" length, have even had a tee on a different course to make it work. So yes, have to incorporate more room. New U.K. courses built over the last couple of decades pretty darn long, same elsewhere in the world - it's the modern way, nothing to do with U.S. Everything to do with how good pros are and how advanced the equipment has become.

[DavePelz4]

There are approximately 45 events in a PGA season. To make the math simple, let's say there are 125 guys who play in an event and 60 players make the cut. That means there are 270 rounds played per event. Over 45 events that's a total of 12,150 rounds. If 60 is broken 10 times in a year, that means 0.08% of the rounds are sub-60.

 

I can live with this. Believe me, there are worse "rashes" you can have.

[bladehunter]

Guys,

 

I don't know the answer, but I'm pretty sure that changing the ball will never happen, particularly when the golf business is struggling.

 

More length hasn't worked.

 

Should the courses be made tighter, with more bunkers and/or rough? I'm not sure because I don't want it to be too penal and see every course set up like a US Open with +1 winning.

 

What do you think?

 

Why would they wish to do that? The professional tours are all just a business. Their purpose in existance is to make money and money comes from television advertising. Low scores sell Viagra and luxury cars to old white men.

 

Lot of good responses in this thread, but this one really cuts to the core.

 

Unfortunately the sponsors don't write the rules but in this case it might help if they did.

 

As with all the issues involving the tour, it's a tiny amount of golfers being impacted and we care about it far too disproportionate

 

At your local clubs, guys going low usually means 71. That's not gonna kill golf.

 

A guy shooting a 59 every couple of weeks, I just don't see why it's so bad. You know Usain bolt would've beaten jesse Owens in a footrace, it doesn't make Owens accomplishments less impressive. Hadwin shooting 59 doesn't mean Nicklaus was a bum

 

 

 

i have to partially disagree...as a former sprinter i can tell you that there are just about as many tech advantages now with shoes and track surface construction ..heck even the blocks you start out of are bigger and more stable...lets not even talk about legal nutrition additives ,science backing todays workouts and the fact that todays star sprinter doesnt have to work any other jobs to live.. Owens might not have beaten Bolt.. as he is a one in a million shooting star.. But it would have been much much closer than numbers show from then and now

[MtlJeff]

I just mean he'd beat 1936 jesse Owens. Due to advances in different aspects we get better at things over time. It's not always a bad thing

[tigerwoods]

Stop manicuring the greens.

 

Exactly......Slow the fairways and greens down and let them get inconsistent. Putting on a perfectly smooth surface on all 18 holes or getting 20-40 yards of roll in the fairway goes a long way into shooting great scores.

[Evolved]

The question is, is this happening organically or is the PGA setting up the courses so they play easier in an attempt to get ratings?

[KYMAR]

Stop manicuring the greens.

 

Exactly......Slow the fairways and greens down and let them get inconsistent. Putting on a perfectly smooth surface on all 18 holes or getting 20-40 yards of roll in the fairway goes a long way into shooting great scores.

 

A call for inconsistent greens now.

 

My God.

[SoCalTitleist]

Making courses harder and rolling back the ball and driver will KILL golf!

[bladehunter]

I just mean he'd beat 1936 jesse Owens. Due to advances in different aspects we get better at things over time. It's not always a bad thing

 

 

oh yea totally agree.. it isnt always a bad thing... but we have truly jumped the shark or at least are on the take off ramp in golf.... I just watched a web.com guy hit a 394 yard driver .. granted down wind.. but come on ... in a swirling wind blowing like that a guy can just go full on long drive swing ??? something isnt right about that

[bladehunter]

Making courses harder and rolling back the ball and driver will KILL golf!

 

 

not if its only for top level USGA and college am events and above.... Bifurcation is the answer in my opinion ..

[Jasonic]

Roll back the ball.

 

 

 

this is it... pull the ball back and driver head size limit..(around 360-380cc) . no more 59.. easy peasy.. would happen but would remain a rarity

 

Isn't clubhead size restricted to 360 already?

 

460

[Forged4ever]

This is starting to sound like when Tiger lit it up and all of a sudden tracks started poppin up closer to 7800+ yards than 6800+ yards(Merion BroMeisters?)

 

Let us step back, take a deep breath and hit the damn ball?

 

Oh, IF the chuckleheads at the table feel that they HAVE to do somethin, one word...

 

Ball

 

Oh, that's ok, this one's on me and please, stay seated, I'll let myself out?

 

Have a great week Gents??

 

All the Best,

RP

[CrabDaddy]

Sure roll back the ball and bring back Lawrence Welk, Benny Hill, Mr. microphone commercials, wool underwear,

Black and white TV and American bandstand hosted by zombified Dick Clark.

 

Swing your hickory niblick and mashie well Govna.

Wouldn't be so bad - I loved Benny Hill.

[Jasonic]

Longer rough will even the fields. Not sure why they don't. Brings shorter guys in because of accuracy and bombers lose spin and distance control from rough. Simple ???

[SoCalTitleist]

Making courses harder and rolling back the ball and driver will KILL golf!

 

 

not if its only for top level USGA and college am events and above.... Bifurcation is the answer in my opinion ..

I agree but we have the same old debate , eveybody wants to play what the pros play they don't want a diffenrent set of rules .

 

 

I play for fun and time with friends and family so I wouldn't mind that .

 

Playing from the tips, more than 14 clubs, non conforming drivers for fun , larger holes , Driver out of bounds going back to the tee.

[Forged4ever]

Stop manicuring the greens.

Actually this is a great idea. Just make them more like a natural green, in between a cow pasture and their present condition,

Say like a lot of clubs.

 

And make the fairways narrow and missing em more penal

 

The second cut at Isleworth at the Tavistock was a joke

 

Trust me, you ain't gonna see a 59 at Oakmont

 

And give KYMs a cart, a walkie talkie and allow him to zip around the course at the Tours behest and arrive at the green of the Player knocking at the door and he doesn't have to yell, be rude or anything like that just allow him to walk green to tee with the boi and chirpin in his ear and trust me, he can kiss any hopes or thoughts of sub 60 good bye?

 

The cost?

 

A pass and some beers??

 

LMAO, KYMs, Ava got ahold of my tele again and I'm outa "likes" for the day?

 

Oh, and her first grade Teacher made her remove your avatar from her home screen or she was to leave the phone at home, LMAO. I'm tellin ya Bro, our society is goin to hell in super sonic jet, haha

 

Fairways & Greens 4ever My Friends⛳

RP

[Par Fore]

Remember that any equipment changes that the governing bodies make to assure that the scores in professional golf don't go lower, will also make it harder for your scores and my scores to go lower. That is my biggest problem with recent equipment changes, be it the groove rule or the long putter rule. The rules are being changed based on the abilities on the .1% of golfers but it affects 100% of us.

[Hawkeye77]

Sure roll back the ball and bring back Lawrence Welk, Benny Hill, Mr. microphone commercials, wool underwear,

Black and white TV and American bandstand hosted by zombified Dick Clark.

 

Swing your hickory niblick and mashie well Govna.

Wouldn't be so bad - I loved Benny Hill.

 

Was always more partial to Monty Python, different strokes.

[starsail85]

The rough hasn't been bad since pebble beach 2000 . Even the us open now doesn't have harsh rough . Should be thick rough if you miss the fairway and semi cut

[b.helts]

There are approximately 45 events in a PGA season. To make the math simple, let's say there are 125 guys who play in an event and 60 players make the cut. That means there are 270 rounds played per event. Over 45 events that's a total of 12,150 rounds. If 60 is broken 10 times in a year, that means 0.08% of the rounds are sub-60.

 

I can live with this. Believe me, there are worse "rashes" you can have.

 

You should have made the math easier.

 

:P

[bladehunter]

Remember that any equipment changes that the governing bodies make to assure that the scores in professional golf don't go lower, will also make it harder for your scores and my scores to go lower. That is my biggest problem with recent equipment changes, be it the groove rule or the long putter rule. The rules are being changed based on the abilities on the .1% of golfers but it affects 100% of us.

 

 

 

not true... you can choose to play any club you want to in a casual round... you can play old grooves.. you can play 16 clubs.. you can play a hot huge driver ... its all legal if youre the boss.. guys choose to be like the stars.. if that means playing punishing equipment then thats their choice.. cant blame that on the usga

 

 

edit-- and to add to that i think what you would find is that smaller drivers and a less straight ball would hurt the pros more than the 18 hadicap... the 18 cap wouldnt change much once he get used to it ... the pros would still score..but not nearly as easily ...

[Maximilian]

Yeah, seeing these recent 59's has been awful. I also cringe every time I see someone make an eagle, and I turn off the telly in disgust when I see that God forbidden Albatros.

 

Can't believe some of you actually see this as a problem.

[SoCalTitleist]

Remember that any equipment changes that the governing bodies make to assure that the scores in professional golf don't go lower, will also make it harder for your scores and my scores to go lower. That is my biggest problem with recent equipment changes, be it the groove rule or the long putter rule. The rules are being changed based on the abilities on the .1% of golfers but it affects 100% of us.

Exactly! Completely agree .

[slc247]

There are approximately 45 events in a PGA season. To make the math simple, let's say there are 125 guys who play in an event and 60 players make the cut. That means there are 270 rounds played per event. Over 45 events that's a total of 12,150 rounds. If 60 is broken 10 times in a year, that means 0.08% of the rounds are sub-60.

 

I can live with this. Believe me, there are worse "rashes" you can have.

 

You should have made the math easier.

 

:P

If you're going to revise it and make it easier, my vote is to make it correct also....

[North Butte]

1-Remove the sand from bunkers and replace it with gravel. UNRAKED gravel. No more players yelling "Get in the bunker".

 

2-Stop mowing the grass on the fairways 6 weeks before the tournaments.

 

3-Aerate the greens on Wednesday the start the tournament on Thursday. Top dress with sand before each round. UNRAKED sand.

 

4-continuous watering of all tee boxes during plus, let them tee off standing in mud.

 

That ought to cure this scourge of 59's!

 

P.S. Edit. In #4,that should be UNRAKED mud.