Lovely to watch, but how does the Tour STOP the rash of sub 60 rounds

[moonshine]

Roll back the ball.

 

 

 

this is it... pull the ball back and driver head size limit..(around 360-380cc) . no more 59.. easy peasy.. would happen but would remain a rarity

How do you explain Geiberger then?

[Hawkeye77]

Roll back the ball.

 

 

 

this is it... pull the ball back and driver head size limit..(around 360-380cc) . no more 59.. easy peasy.. would happen but would remain a rarity

How do you explain Geiberger then?

 

LCP - lol, somebody was going to say it.

[widow-maker]

Golf for professionals has become drive and short iron. The USGA and the PGA Tour have let it happen so they must be fine with it. We've lost some of the art of golf, but on the flip side, it's fun to see them launch it.

 

20 years from now, 400 yard drives will be the norm if the USGA doesn't do something about it. It's not realistic to expect golf courses to keep up with equipment changes. It's far too expensive to make expensive course changes just for the sake of PGA players when their normal clientele for 51 weeks out of the year don't need the additional length. 59 is going to be less of an accomplishment going forward but it won't change the enjoyment I get out of the game when I play.

[KYMAR]

Golf for professionals has become drive and short iron. The USGA and the PGA Tour have let it happen so they must be fine with it. We've lost some of the art of golf, but on the flip side, it's fun to see them launch it.

 

20 years from now, 400 yard drives will be the norm if the USGA doesn't do something about it. It's not realistic to expect golf courses to keep up with equipment changes. It's far too expensive to make expensive course changes just for the sake of PGA players when their normal clientele for 51 weeks out of the year don't need the additional length. 59 is going to be less of an accomplishment going forward but it won't change the enjoyment I get out of the game when I play.

 

They've Limited the CT/COR and Max volume. How are we going to get to 400 years drives exactly?

[widow-maker]

Golf for professionals has become drive and short iron. The USGA and the PGA Tour have let it happen so they must be fine with it. We've lost some of the art of golf, but on the flip side, it's fun to see them launch it.

 

20 years from now, 400 yard drives will be the norm if the USGA doesn't do something about it. It's not realistic to expect golf courses to keep up with equipment changes. It's far too expensive to make expensive course changes just for the sake of PGA players when their normal clientele for 51 weeks out of the year don't need the additional length. 59 is going to be less of an accomplishment going forward but it won't change the enjoyment I get out of the game when I play.

 

They've Limited the CT/COR and Max volume. How are we going to get to 400 years drives exactly?

They limited all that stuff years ago, and yet they keep getting longer and longer in spite of it. How have they done it up until now? How is Rory hitting it 30 yards longer than he did 5 years ago? The COR limits haven't changed since 2003 but they keep adding distance. They're pushing 350 now. In 2003 they were pushing at 300 or just above that.

[WidespreadPanic]

Hasn't the average driving distance stayed pretty much the same despite all of these equipment changes? Yes, there are more bombers, but a 330 carry isn't the norm.

[JonnyKrasnodar]

289.9 is PGA Tour average. It's just all these folks playing munis carrying it over 300 according to the DJ thread. Just the pros that are short so the game will be fine...

[Dave230]

Golf is affected so much by the weather, despite the new equipment there were horrendous scores on the Web.com tour when the wind was howling. There still hasn't been a 59 on the European Tour and in mainland Europe, low 60s even aren't that common, it's just the natural way.

 

When you're playing at these flawless locations with great weather, it's just one of those things when you have the ball running a mile and it's set up with birdie chances. As was said, I doubt you're going to see this happen when you get to some of the bigger events later in the year, where 63 will probably be the lowest score you'll get.

[mtex22]

Nobody shooting 59 next week at Torrey!

[PGArox]

Nobody shooting 59 next week at Torrey!

 

You never know. The North Course really isn't all that tough.

[mtex22]

Nobody shooting 59 next week at Torrey!

 

You never know. The North Course really isn't all that tough.

 

Yeah you never know but its raining for a month, both courses gonna have crazy rough, the north has brand new bent grass greens which have crazy undulation and the entire course has been redesigned and plays much longer. Not to mention the course has very little roll out. For instance 18 is now par 4 480 yds on the North.

 

South definitely not gonna happen.

[bladehunter]

Roll back the ball.

 

 

 

this is it... pull the ball back and driver head size limit..(around 360-380cc) . no more 59.. easy peasy.. would happen but would remain a rarity

How do you explain Geiberger then?

 

 

The fluke that a 59 is supposed to be. The guy who gets in the zone and can't miss a putt. Gets all the hops and doesn't miss a shot all day.

[bladehunter]

so youre saying if you cant play what the pros play you will quit the game ? wow..

Remember that any equipment changes that the governing bodies make to assure that the scores in professional golf don't go lower, will also make it harder for your scores and my scores to go lower. That is my biggest problem with recent equipment changes, be it the groove rule or the long putter rule. The rules are being changed based on the abilities on the .1% of golfers but it affects 100% of us.

 

 

 

not true... you can choose to play any club you want to in a casual round... you can play old grooves.. you can play 16 clubs.. you can play a hot huge driver ... its all legal if youre the boss.. guys choose to be like the stars.. if that means playing punishing equipment then thats their choice.. cant blame that on the usga

 

 

edit-- and to add to that i think what you would find is that smaller drivers and a less straight ball would hurt the pros more than the 18 hadicap... the 18 cap wouldnt change much once he get used to it ... the pros would still score..but not nearly as easily ...

 

Not true! Blah blah blah blah blah.

 

(Annoying isn't it?)

 

 

 

For it is my prayer tonight, that i am aware of the moment when you make a mistake for i will be surely to remind you of it often..... But you know how the saying goes... if you dont have any haters.. you aint playing hard enough.....

 

 

edit... i aint mad at ya Bro..lol but im not taking any extra without giving it back ! :taunt:

[bladehunter]

Golf for professionals has become drive and short iron. The USGA and the PGA Tour have let it happen so they must be fine with it. We've lost some of the art of golf, but on the flip side, it's fun to see them launch it.

 

20 years from now, 400 yard drives will be the norm if the USGA doesn't do something about it. It's not realistic to expect golf courses to keep up with equipment changes. It's far too expensive to make expensive course changes just for the sake of PGA players when their normal clientele for 51 weeks out of the year don't need the additional length. 59 is going to be less of an accomplishment going forward but it won't change the enjoyment I get out of the game when I play.

 

They've Limited the CT/COR and Max volume. How are we going to get to 400 years drives exactly?

 

 

The head tech is moving things forward..it doesnt do alot for the 110mph and under guy...but for the upper end it does... im sorry if its hard to believe but it does.. for the top players distances will continue to inch forward.... as posted earlier... the thing now is flying it over 300... used to be if you got one to 300 you were long ... not anymore...DJ currently averaging 319.... thats average ! and thats insane

[Shilgy]

Guys,

 

I don't know the answer, but I'm pretty sure that changing the ball will never happen, particularly when the golf business is struggling.

 

More length hasn't worked.

 

Should the courses be made tighter, with more bunkers and/or rough? I'm not sure because I don't want it to be too penal and see every course set up like a US Open with +1 winning.

 

What do you think?

 

Why would they wish to do that? The professional tours are all just a business. Their purpose in existance is to make money and money comes from television advertising. Low scores sell Viagra and luxury cars to old white men.

 

Lot of good responses in this thread, but this one really cuts to the core.

 

Unfortunately the sponsors don't write the rules but in this case it might help if they did.

 

As with all the issues involving the tour, it's a tiny amount of golfers being impacted and we care about it far too disproportionate

 

At your local clubs, guys going low usually means 71. That's not gonna kill golf.

 

A guy shooting a 59 every couple of weeks, I just don't see why it's so bad. You know Usain bolt would've beaten jesse Owens in a footrace, it doesn't make Owens accomplishments less impressive. Hadwin shooting 59 doesn't mean Nicklaus was a bum

Yeah but Usain Bolt was getting too fast so they changed the 100 meters to 110.

[mosesgolf]

Nobody shooting 59 next week at Torrey!

 

--------On the South Course. :D

North Course is vulnerable to a 59.

[slprince67]

Nobody shooting 59 next week at Torrey!

 

--------On the South Course. :D

North Course is vulnerable to a 59.

The ball really needs to be rolled back, thats not going to happen. The easiest way to bring back shot making is to make a change to the rules and only allow 10 or 11 clubs. This would at least make the player think each week as to what he would be carrying in the bag. They are still going to hit a lot of drivers and wedges, but it might change a few results.

[SNIPERBBB]

Windmills and greens you can only land one helicopter on.

[tdk8180]

All they'll do is make courses longer. Seems to be the American way.

 

Nope, can't do that anymore. You know, climate change and all ... :)

 

I'm a Lukewarmer. Climate change is real, the human factors in which cause that change are grossly exaggerated.

[GeorgeHWB]

Guys,

 

I don't know the answer, but I'm pretty sure that changing the ball will never happen, particularly when the golf business is struggling.

 

More length hasn't worked.

 

Should the courses be made tighter, with more bunkers and/or rough? I'm not sure because I don't want it to be too penal and see every course set up like a US Open with +1 winning.

 

What do you think?

 

You are looking for a solution for a problem that doesn't exist. Low scores are not a problem.

[sui generis]

All they'll do is make courses longer. Seems to be the American way.

 

Nope, can't do that anymore. You know, climate change and all ... :)

 

I'm a Lukewarmer. Climate change is real, the human factors in which cause that change are grossly exaggerated.

 

Don't have children. :(

[bladehunter]

All they'll do is make courses longer. Seems to be the American way.

 

Nope, can't do that anymore. You know, climate change and all ... :)

 

I'm a Lukewarmer. Climate change is real, the human factors in which cause that change are grossly exaggerated.

 

Don't have children. :(

 

 

wow...

[JaNelson38]

So now we've got a couple of guys shoot 59, and now suddenly things need to "change" from balls to equipment to courses?

 

This reminds me of the time when Tiger was on his roll and many courses were made longer to "Tiger proof" them...only to see players like Tiger win more.

 

Why cant we just watch these guys and realize that they're simply that good, and celebrate when a milestone like a 59 is achieved? Some tournaments are birdie fests. Other tournaments will yield winners in the single digits under par. That doesnt mean one is better than the other. You need a balance of both to keep both the players and fans happy. If courses are tricked up too much and are too tough, good players are going to play even less than they do now. If the US Open wasnt the US Open and just a run-of-the-mill tournament where the USGA mutilated the courses like they do every year just to "protect par", you'd get maybe a half-dozen of the top 25 players in the world to play it.

 

The PGA Tour is in the entertainment business, first and foremost. Records are made to be celebrated when they are broken. No different than any other pro sport - its made to put on a show for its fans.

[JaNelson38]

Golf for professionals has become drive and short iron. The USGA and the PGA Tour have let it happen so they must be fine with it. We've lost some of the art of golf, but on the flip side, it's fun to see them launch it.

 

20 years from now, 400 yard drives will be the norm if the USGA doesn't do something about it. It's not realistic to expect golf courses to keep up with equipment changes. It's far too expensive to make expensive course changes just for the sake of PGA players when their normal clientele for 51 weeks out of the year don't need the additional length. 59 is going to be less of an accomplishment going forward but it won't change the enjoyment I get out of the game when I play.

 

They've Limited the CT/COR and Max volume. How are we going to get to 400 years drives exactly?

They limited all that stuff years ago, and yet they keep getting longer and longer in spite of it. How have they done it up until now? How is Rory hitting it 30 yards longer than he did 5 years ago? The COR limits haven't changed since 2003 but they keep adding distance. They're pushing 350 now. In 2003 they were pushing at 300 or just above that.

 

This is just simply not true. Middle of the pack in driving distance last year on the PGA Tour was about 290. This idea that every man is stepping up there and piping it 350 down the fairway is just false.

 

Likewise, many of the guys who drive it the longest are also terrible with wedges and putters in their hands. "Bomb and gouge" only works when you actually make birdies...which many "bomb and gougers" dont do, or at least dont do consistently.

[mosesgolf]

http://www.torreypines.com/torrey-pines-records.asp

[golfdad907]

Wow, the rash of sub 60 rounds...almost fake news worth.

 

Let's see, heard the guy who did it at whatever they call the Palm Springs tourney, had 21 putts.

 

So let's make putting harder I guess?

 

"Those guys are freakin' good" about sums it up.

[buckeyefl]

Nobody is shooting 59 at Torrey, Augusta National, etc. this Spring. Easy courses and conditions will sort themselves out.

 

Thread should have stopped right here.

[Scooterboy59]

They move every event to the Bahama's. Just a little windy.

[RBImGuy]

shooting 63 in the Open the last day is better than a 59 on an easy course.

[rafal]

I don't want to see Hadwin's and other randos shooting 59s. That's why it's a problem. It cheapens the game and, at the same time, it doesn't do anything really for the ratings.