ANA rules issue (Merged)

[hooters714]

Not like she was going to miss a one footer. Wow totally idiotic the LPGA has viewership issues and attendance issues and they pull crap like this. I realize rules are rules but 30 flipping hours after the fact ? that is outrageous .

[canonlbp430]

All the tours have made this a complete joke allowing people to call in from home to change the outcome of tournaments.

[Guest]

It never should have been allowed for consideration...

 

Her playing partner was watching the whole thing... playing partner is responsible for protecting the field... she saw nothing worth mentioning so it should have been done and over at that point.

 

Lexi is also responsible for that. I fully agree that the rule is horrible and specially that you get 4 penalty strokes, but what was she thinking? She is marking the ball and its easy to see that she tries to find another spot to replace it. Thats the kind of stuff you do when you play a practise round with friends if your ball lies on a little "hole" or something on the green. Im the first to say i want to make the rules "softer" and easier to follow and getting the penalty strokes today is just ridicolous. But she is asking for penalty strokes when she does what she did. Its easy to see she did it on purpose. If she doesnt get penalty strokes for it, they say that its fine to put the ball down 2 centimeters away from where you marked it.... They just cant let it pass. Problem for me is that its 4 strokes and not 1 or 2 and that they didnt find it out yesterday before the scorecard was signed.

[DFinch]

It isn't allowed in any other sport, despite the fact that in almost every other sport the TV coverage is equal on the teams. In golf, the entire field isn't televised. It is patently unfair and a serious equity problem when it comes to applying the rules. It's stupid and must stop. If you don't trust players to call on themselves then assign a referee to each group, give them ultimate authority on calling penalties, and stop accepting the armchair calls.

[williamsnrb]

Merge

[lowheel]

are we all incensed because she is so likable? what if this was Tiger v Phil and Tiger made this error or Phil made this error, I would imagine records being broken on WRX lol

 

I dont care if it happens to someone I detest its pure BS.

[JustinK23]

I am still sitting here with my jaw dropped that a viewer has that much influence on a live sport. Let alone a major.

[Strike Force]

If Lexi does not win I can only hope that whoever does win voices her displeasure about this ridiculous rules decision [in no uncertain terms] during her acceptance speech. Somebody needs to 'call out' the people that decided to make this idiotic decision.

[BrianL99]

If they just published the "Arm Chair Referee Call in Number", it wouldn't have taken me almost 2 days to get through.

[Vindog]

Just because the round is over doesn't mean the competition is over

 

Should there be a time limit for things like this in your mind, Vindog? Should calling in rules infractions be allowed at all?

 

Close of competition is the time limit and I'm okay with that.

 

Call ins? Well that's delicate. I have a hard time believing that it's just some schmoe calling in. But then again, was it a penalty or not. If this was mid round would it be a penalty? What is the logical difference? Suck for her and I feel bad though.

[Jigga]

Just because the round is over doesn't mean the competition is over.

 

Just be happy she wasn't DQd

 

Fine. Record all shots by all players and review. It's unfair that that some players are on TV more and under that intense scrunitity. Also so far after the fact??? Some slob at home DVR'ed the 3rd round and is watching it on Sunday and then emails in the infraction. Garbage.

[4Par]

It never should have been allowed for consideration...

 

Her playing partner was watching the whole thing... playing partner is responsible for protecting the field... she saw nothing worth mentioning so it should have been done and over at that point.

 

Lexi is also responsible for that. I fully agree that the rule is horrible and specially that you get 4 penalty strokes, but what was she thinking? She is marking the ball and its easy to see that she tries to find another spot to replace it. Thats the kind of stuff you do when you play a practise round with friends if your ball lies on a little "hole" or something on the green. Im the first to say i want to make the rules "softer" and easier to follow and getting the penalty strokes today is just ridicolous. But she is asking for penalty strokes when she does what she did. Its easy to see she did it on purpose. If she doesnt get penalty strokes for it, they say that its fine to put the ball down 2 centimeters away from where you marked it....

 

I'm fine with the 2 shot penalty for playing from the wrong spot.... but the 2 for signing an incorrect card stinks.

 

Why didn't the playing partner question it? Watch the tape... she was staring at the whole thing.... obviously Lexi didn't think she was doing anything wrong, but her playing partner should have jumped in and said "hey, that didn't look right!" Since she didn't, it's over.....

[lowheel]

Insert Michael Strahan gif saying put your name on it.

[JessD]

When the card is signed by both the player and official, that should be the end of it.

 

Allowing fans to call in and impact the outcome of any event, let alone a MAJOR, shows the USGA/LPGA/PGA as completely incompetent.

[mackepa]

Usga front office right now.

 

[Bob57]

Good Lord, I've seen PGA pros throw a marker in from the side and then put the ball back obviously closer to the hole...less than an inch. Definitely a BS call, but I'm sure the peanut brain that called it in has been playing with himself ever since as he sits in from of his TV in his depends pixel peeping.. Any guesses what his handicap is? This is the only sport that allows viewers to call in and impact the final result and worse after the fact. How about call ins on traveling in the NBA, holding in the NFL.. also doesn't each group have a rules official with them at these major tournaments. That is who should call this stuff not some root cellar dweller from home.

 

Or if the golf tours continue to allow this there needs to be a way of identifying the reporter. Like when you sign up for some information there is often times a click to confirm email right after.. If it is so important to that person they shouldn't use the anonymous nature of the internet to shield their obvious cowardly like nature..

[Strike Force]

It never should have been allowed for consideration...

 

Her playing partner was watching the whole thing... playing partner is responsible for protecting the field... she saw nothing worth mentioning so it should have been done and over at that point.

 

Lexi is also responsible for that. I fully agree that the rule is horrible and specially that you get 4 penalty strokes, but what was she thinking? She is marking the ball and its easy to see that she tries to find another spot to replace it. Thats the kind of stuff you do when you play a practise round with friends if your ball lies on a little "hole" or something on the green. Im the first to say i want to make the rules "softer" and easier to follow and getting the penalty strokes today is just ridicolous. But she is asking for penalty strokes when she does what she did. Its easy to see she did it on purpose. If she doesnt get penalty strokes for it, they say that its fine to put the ball down 2 centimeters away from where you marked it.... They just cant let it pass. Problem for me is that its 4 strokes and not 1 or 2 and that they didnt find it out yesterday before the scorecard was signed.

 

I understand what you are saying, but... Is it 'okay' to put the ball down 1 centimeter away from where you marked it? How about ½ centimeter away? Is ¼ centimeter away close enough?

[Strike Force]

Uh-ho - Petterson just 'tested the green surface' with her hands before putting out!!!

[Guest]

It never should have been allowed for consideration...

 

Her playing partner was watching the whole thing... playing partner is responsible for protecting the field... she saw nothing worth mentioning so it should have been done and over at that point.

 

Lexi is also responsible for that. I fully agree that the rule is horrible and specially that you get 4 penalty strokes, but what was she thinking? She is marking the ball and its easy to see that she tries to find another spot to replace it. Thats the kind of stuff you do when you play a practise round with friends if your ball lies on a little "hole" or something on the green. Im the first to say i want to make the rules "softer" and easier to follow and getting the penalty strokes today is just ridicolous. But she is asking for penalty strokes when she does what she did. Its easy to see she did it on purpose. If she doesnt get penalty strokes for it, they say that its fine to put the ball down 2 centimeters away from where you marked it....

 

I'm fine with the 2 shot penalty for playing from the wrong spot.... but the 2 for signing an incorrect card stinks.

 

Why didn't the playing partner question it? Watch the tape... she was staring at the whole thing.... obviously Lexi didn't think she was doing anything wrong, but her playing partner should have jumped in and said "hey, that didn't look right!" Since she didn't, it's over.....

 

Ye the whole situation is weird and i respect and feel for Lexi, i really do but i feel that one thing that really gets overlooked is that she is asking for trouble when she did what she did. Its a mistake you just cant make and everyone knows it. By far the biggest problem for me about this situation is that they didnt tell her prior to signing the scorecard. One rule i really think they should change is that a player cant get penalty strokes that they get because they break another rule. So if one rule breach leads directly to another rule breach, you only get the penalty strokes for the first situation.

[disco111]

This ranks right up there with the saying my uncle Mort was told me..........."If at first you don't succeed - the hell with sky diving"......... :russian_roulette:

[Texsport]

Lexi birdies another to take the lead back - 4 players 1 shot back - actually 5 shots back LPGA!

 

LPGA trying to force Lexi to win by at least 5 shots to give her the trophy!

 

Texsport

[Nessism]

Another stupid ruling. Amazing. When will these idiots learn?

 

Who is to blame? The LPGA rules committee?

[Vindog]

Just because the round is over doesn't mean the competition is over.

 

Just be happy she wasn't DQd

 

Fine. Record all shots by all players and review. It's unfair that that some players are on TV more and under that intense scrunitity. Also so far after the fact??? Some slob at home DVR'ed the 3rd round and is watching it on Sunday and then emails in the infraction. Garbage.

 

You do have a point about the inequity of TV time. Like I said it's delicate. But again, I am totally good with close of competition as the time limit.

[grm24]

Not like she was going to miss a one footer.

Ask IK Kim about that at the 2012 Kraft Nabisco.

 

[rangersgoalie]

are we all incensed because she is so likable? what if this was Tiger v Phil and Tiger made this error or Phil made this error, I would imagine records being broken on WRX lol

 

1) this is Lexis fault for mismarking the ball

2) it's still stupid to let call ins have a bearing on a tournament

3) the rule again has to change

4) even though it IS a penalty, Lexis response with birdies are unreal, and if she can find a way

To stay on this and win, could really catapult in to the stratosphere

[Nessism]

Just because the round is over doesn't mean the competition is over.

 

Just be happy she wasn't DQd

 

Fine. Record all shots by all players and review. It's unfair that that some players are on TV more and under that intense scrunitity. Also so far after the fact??? Some slob at home DVR'ed the 3rd round and is watching it on Sunday and then emails in the infraction. Garbage.

 

You do have a point about the inequity of TV time. Like I said it's delicate. But again, I am totally good with close of competition as the time limit.

 

No. It's BS to have people from outside watching replays and calling in rules infractions. And speaking of TV, that ruling last year where a club brushed two grains of sand was BS too. This sort of crap makes me not want to watch these events any longer.

[Guest]

It never should have been allowed for consideration...

 

Her playing partner was watching the whole thing... playing partner is responsible for protecting the field... she saw nothing worth mentioning so it should have been done and over at that point.

 

Lexi is also responsible for that. I fully agree that the rule is horrible and specially that you get 4 penalty strokes, but what was she thinking? She is marking the ball and its easy to see that she tries to find another spot to replace it. Thats the kind of stuff you do when you play a practise round with friends if your ball lies on a little "hole" or something on the green. Im the first to say i want to make the rules "softer" and easier to follow and getting the penalty strokes today is just ridicolous. But she is asking for penalty strokes when she does what she did. Its easy to see she did it on purpose. If she doesnt get penalty strokes for it, they say that its fine to put the ball down 2 centimeters away from where you marked it.... They just cant let it pass. Problem for me is that its 4 strokes and not 1 or 2 and that they didnt find it out yesterday before the scorecard was signed.

 

I understand what you are saying, but... Is it 'okay' to put the ball down 1 centimeter away from where you marked it? How about ½ centimeter away? Is ¼ centimeter away close enough?

 

ye i understand what you are saying and i dont know how far away from the original spot she placed it but it was pretty easy to see that she intentionally tried to put it down on a different spot. That was the only reason she marked the ball because she didnt look comfortable with the ground or whatever it was where the ball was in the first place.

[sui generis]

Relevant Decision:

 

Decision 18/4 Television Evidence Shows Ball at Rest Changed Position But by Amount Not Reasonably Discernible to Naked Eye

Q. A player addresses his ball. He observes a slight motion of the ball but believes that it has only oscillated and has not left its original position. He therefore plays the ball as it lies. Later, the Committee becomes aware from television evidence that the ball had in fact left its position and come to rest in another place, although that change of position was such that it was not reasonably discernible to the naked eye at the time of the incident. What is the ruling?

 

A. The ball is deemed not to have moved and therefore there is no penalty under Rule 18-2. The Definition of "Moved" - when a ball "leaves its position and comes to rest in any other place" - does not contemplate movements of the ball that are only discernible through the use of high definition television or any other form of sophisticated technology.

 

When determining whether or not his ball at rest has moved, a player must make that judgment based on all the information readily available to him at the time, so that he can determine whether the ball must be replaced under Rule 18-2 or another applicable Rule. When the player's ball has left its original position and come to rest in another place by an amount that was not reasonably discernible to the naked eye at the time, a player's determination that the ball has not moved will be deemed to be conclusive, even if that determination is later shown to be incorrect through the use of sophisticated technology.

 

On the other hand, if the Committee determines, based on all of the evidence it has available, that the ball changed its position by an amount that was reasonably discernible to the naked eye at the time, the ball is deemed to have moved. As the player did not replace the ball, he incurs a penalty under the applicable Rule and Rule 20-7c for playing from a wrong place.

 

These principles apply to any review of technological evidence by the Committee, whether before the player makes his next stroke or any time thereafter. These principles also apply in a situation in which the player made no determination whether or not his ball at rest moved (e.g., because he had walked away from his ball after addressing it, was not looking at his ball, or otherwise did not observe any motion of the ball or have any reason to believe that his ball might have moved).

 

Before determining whether his ball has moved, it is advisable for the player to obtain information from nearby witnesses to the incident and to seek guidance from a referee if one is immediately available.

[williamsnrb]

Just because the round is over doesn't mean the competition is over

 

Should there be a time limit for things like this in your mind, Vindog? Should calling in rules infractions be allowed at all?

 

Close of competition is the time limit and I'm okay with that.

 

Call ins? Well that's delicate. I have a hard time believing that it's just some schmoe calling in. But then again, was it a penalty or not. If this was mid round would it be a penalty? What is the logical difference? Suck for her and I feel bad though.

 

I'm against the armchair call-in because the only players it effects are those being televised. It's inherently unfair. I'm with you on the end-of-day limit on rules decisions. The only exception is if an intentional rules infraction is discovered after the fact, in which case the player should be DQ'd IMO.

[Texsport]

The biggest load of total BS. I hope the USGA passes the rule that prevents this kind of asinine behavior from happening. Bad enough to call in from home...but calling in 24 hours after the fact? Total crap. I get the rules are the rules...but it's bias as what about the non-intentional violations by players who aren't under the cameras because they aren't contending? Seems like there is a bias there because if you leading or contending...all the home referees have access. If you're not then you're under the radar.

 

If I won a tournament like this...I would NOT be jumping in the pond...after all you didn't win it...you got a BS gift from a home based umpire...and that is no way to really win. If I didn't win it because I was the best, but because of BS misfortune...then it's a hollow victory.

 

And when Lexi wins anyway, she shouldn't jump in the pond!

 

F^(k 'em!

 

Texsport

 

P S Mike Tirico - shut up - you are not an expert on golf!