ANA rules issue (Merged)

[Nessism]

USGA = Pure total JUNK!

 

Again, this is NOT a USGA event it's a TV show run by a business, the LPGA Tour.

 

Then what ruling body does the LPGA follow for their rules? Answer please...

 

It's not a USGA issue per say. It's the LPGA that choose to respond to the call. There is not rule forcing the LPGA to review every call in they receive.

[SwingMan]

Why they haven't changed this "everyone's a zebra" rule is beyond reason. What if basketball was officiated in this way? What if fans were calling balls and strikes? What if they were calling "What is a catch?" in football.

 

The rule should be no outside sources or when the round ends for everyone, the round ends.

[WidespreadPanic]

So, theoretically, since the infraction occurred yesterday, could I call in something I saw today for the person who won, and tomorrow they assess the penalty and take away the trophy and give it to Lexi?

 

Allowing people to call in is the dumbest thing in sports.

[KevCarter]

USGA = Pure total JUNK!

 

Again, this is NOT a USGA event it's a TV show run by a business, the LPGA Tour.

 

Sui, how do you feel the USGA would have handled the same situation? In my opinion, there was no other way out...

[sui generis]

USGA = Pure total JUNK!

 

Again, this is NOT a USGA event it's a TV show run by a business, the LPGA Tour.

 

Then what ruling body does the LPGA follow for their rules? Answer please...

 

The TV golf tours choose to abide by the Rules of Golf. It's their choice. They can, if they want, take mulligans or play naked. The USGA is not responsible for what happens outside their own events.

[SwingMan]

Why they haven't changed this "everyone's a zebra" rule is beyond reason. What if basketball was officiated in this way? What if fans were calling balls and strikes? What if they were calling "What is a catch?" in football.

 

The rule should be no outside sources or when the round ends for everyone, the round ends.

 

I thought the eventual winner should have gone to the green and intentionally mismarked her ball ala Lexi to make a mockery of these rules.

[Strike Force]

USGA = Pure total JUNK!

 

Again, this is NOT a USGA event it's a TV show run by a business, the LPGA Tour.

 

Then what ruling body does the LPGA follow for their rules? Answer please...

 

It's not a USGA issue per say. It's the LPGA that choose to respond to the call. There is not rule forcing the LPGA to review every call in they receive.

 

By all accounts the LPGA did nothing wrong by the people that are totally opposed to the ruling that was made. Therefore, the LPGA must have followed some set of rules...and those rules happen to be the USGA rules.

[New Edge]

That's just a trash rule. No improvement in lie, shot difficulty. Anything. Total bogus call. These kind of rules are what makes the game unenjoyable to new people. She moved it less than a coin. Cmon man.

[SilverBullets]

Wow all around... who is the freaking loser that actually called that in? Get a life man... and how does the LPGA actually assess that???

[dlygrisse]

Exactly one of the many reasons why golf is losing popularity, the rules are to complicated. Calling in about a rule a day later is insane, equivalent to calling pass interference the next day. Sad day for the rules of golf .

 

She broke a very simple rule. I agree about calling penalties after the day is over and the next round has started.

[Holy Moses]

So, theoretically, since the infraction occurred yesterday, could I call in something I saw today for the person who won, and tomorrow they assess the penalty and take away the trophy and give it to Lexi?

 

Allowing people to call in is the dumbest thing in sports.

 

I don't think you can call in or email an infraction once you sign your card after the tournament has concluded

[MidwestGolfBum]

So, theoretically, since the infraction occurred yesterday, could I call in something I saw today for the person who won, and tomorrow they assess the penalty and take away the trophy and give it to Lexi?

 

Allowing people to call in is the dumbest thing in sports.

 

No, the results have been announced and the competition is closed. You can't do anything.

 

Makes the call in that much more idiotic.

[sui generis]

USGA = Pure total JUNK!

 

Again, this is NOT a USGA event it's a TV show run by a business, the LPGA Tour.

 

Sui, how do you feel the USGA would have handled the same situation? In my opinion, there was no other way out...

 

Distasteful as many of us find today's events, had this been a USGA or R&A event, the outcome would have been the same. After all, a couple of years ago the player would have suffered a DQ.

[Hawkeye77]

Why they haven't changed this "everyone's a zebra" rule is beyond reason. What if basketball was officiated in this way? What if fans were calling balls and strikes? What if they were calling "What is a catch?" in football.

 

The rule should be no outside sources or when the round ends for everyone, the round ends.

 

I thought the eventual winner should have gone to the green and intentionally mismarked her ball ala Lexi to make a mockery of these rules.

 

And make a mockery of the event? You think Lexi wants to win that way you are wrong.

[Nessism]

By all accounts the LPGA did nothing wrong by the people that are totally opposed to the ruling that was made. Therefore, the LPGA must have followed some set of rules...and those rules happen to be the USGA rules.

 

Please specify the rule whereby the LPGA is compelled to review every possible rules infraction called in by someone around the world.

[Strike Force]

So, theoretically, since the infraction occurred yesterday, could I call in something I saw today for the person who won, and tomorrow they assess the penalty and take away the trophy and give it to Lexi?

 

Allowing people to call in is the dumbest thing in sports.

 

I don't think you can call in or email an infraction once you sign your card after the tournament has concluded

 

After the day's competition or after the tournament?

[Hawkeye77]

That's just a trash rule. No improvement in lie, shot difficulty. Anything. Total bogus call. These kind of rules are what makes the game unenjoyable to new people. She moved it less than a coin. Cmon man.

 

It's a very, very basic rule.

 

You are focused on the wrong issue.

[forembc]

Lot's of respect for Lexi. This will only make her stronger.

[dpb5031]

Ball misplaced with no intention to cheat and no advantage gained. Best we can tell completely accidental and apparently imperceptible to the player at the time she placed the ball. A 4 stroke penalty is beyond ridiculous IMO.

 

Surely every marked ball is not perfectly replaced to the exact location/precise blade of grass? What's the allowable margin for error (if there is one) assuming the player does her best to replace the ball to its original location?

 

[KevCarter]

USGA = Pure total JUNK!

 

Again, this is NOT a USGA event it's a TV show run by a business, the LPGA Tour.

 

Sui, how do you feel the USGA would have handled the same situation? In my opinion, there was no other way out...

 

Distasteful as many of us find today's events, had this been a USGA or R&A event, the outcome would have been the same. After all, a couple of years ago the player would have suffered a DQ.

 

Thank you. Agree 100%.

[sui generis]

So, theoretically, since the infraction occurred yesterday, could I call in something I saw today for the person who won, and tomorrow they assess the penalty and take away the trophy and give it to Lexi?

 

Allowing people to call in is the dumbest thing in sports.

 

I don't think you can call in or email an infraction once you sign your card after the tournament has concluded

 

After the day's competition or after the tournament?

 

Do yourself a favor and read Rule 34. You'll then know the real answer and not the bogus ones proffered by those who don't know the Rules.

[WidespreadPanic]

While it sucks and I hate it, I just watched it in real speed, and she totally knew what she was doing.

[dhc1]

Watching lexi sign autographs just shows how classy she is.

 

Even more impressive than her courageous comeback.

 

She is the natural heir to the King, IMO.

[Andrew M]

It's just sad, IMHO. While it won't be pointed at specifically by those who don't know it, the people who tell me they don't want to try and play golf because "of all the stupid rules" seem a little less whiny and a little more justified every time something like this happens.

 

I wouldn't know the wording to rewrite the rule, or what to do about it, but there ought to be some sort of common sense clause in the rules. Did she give herself a distinct advantage? No. Great, move along, go find something else to do other than sending golf tours emails whining about a ball being moved mere inches, if that.

 

EDIT: And I don't care if the rule being stupid isn't the actual issue as some might tell me. Agree on not calling in things after the fact, too.

[golfgirlrobin]

They simply need to pick a cut-off and no adjustments can be made after that. I'd think that once the first player tees off the next day, they close the book on the previous round.

 

I don't think it's helpful to argue whether she really replaced it in the same place (she didn't), or whether it's enough to penalize. There's nothing wrong with the rule regarding replacing the ball, the problem is in the timing.

 

[andrieddle]

Total BS, if the LPGA wants to do this, they should have at least 2 officials accompanying each flight and then review the shots on the green, make the round 7 hours long but that's only fair.

 

Lexi got totally robbed, I was hoping she made that eagle putt on the 18th and just stick a finger to the LPGA.

[ablewalker]

Is the rule that the coin or other marker must physically touch the ball? and that the ball must touch the coin when put back?

[CheckJV]

This is a sad day for the LPGA and for golf.

 

Rules infractions should only be called by players, caddies, or a rules official in the group. Video should only be used to clarify or validate a potential infraction called by the above.

 

PERIOD.

[Grantmur]

If no-one realized she had made a penalty until after she signed her score card, how could she sign an incorrect scorecard

[Ballhound]

Something has got to change. Fan base is pissed. Ignore the call ins.