PGA to begin blood testing in 2018.

[buckeyefl]

Do some of you really think there are no negative consequences of PEDs? Really?

 

We don't even allow our military personnel to take PEDs (outside of go/no go pills on a very limited basis) to better sustain their life in combat. Think people think.

 

Who said that?

[ebrasmus21]

For those against PEDs -- are we trying to protect the game of golf or are we trying to protect adults from themselves? There have been some posts showing concerns regarding the health of people who use PEDs so I'm just wondering if we are looking out for the people or the game or both.

[Les Strokes]

The use of PED's screwed up baseball, ruined it for many fans and also screwed up the record books forever. Golf has always been known as probably the most honourable sport. They don't allow cheating of the rules, so they shouldn't allow cheating with drugs either. It's already on the ropes with so many courses closing, and overall business contraction, it would be very dangerous ground to allow PEDs IMO

[tyorke1]

Im pretty sure we will see some changes in some top players.

[Sean2]

Some have opined that using PED's is good for the athlete, and therefore good for the sport, and the fan. However, what are the long term effects of using PED's on the athlete? That should be the major concern. This isn't the Roman Colosseum.

[moonshine]

The whole TW thing is beaten to death...gheesh. You can add muscle over ten years...steroids would have made him quite a bit larger than he ended up. Not saying he didn't since most of the guys think they won't get caught. A Rod did not blow up and who knows all that he was taking.

 

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[golfho50]

All any player has to do is get a MD to write him a prescription for any drug or steroid and he is good to go.

It happens all the time in other sports.

 

MMA for example..you have 30-40 year old fighters (dare i say not old men) getting TRT exemptions. So a 30-40 year old

MMA fighter (Dan Henderson, Vitor Belfort, Chael Sonen...etc) who is in ten times better condition than any PGA player

goes to his MD and gets a doctors note and a prescription and he is good to go. This all happened once UFC started drug testing

but these fighters have been using it since their 20-30's but once it became prohibited it just required a MD prescription and

bingo they are legal. Keep in mind we are talking about the steroid testosterone. Most of these guys were busted for anabolic steroids and HGH and after serving suspensions just went to TRT to keep there edge.

 

NFL drug tests but they are announced long in advance. Most sports its all about keeping the $$ coming in but

testing for appearances.

 

Same will happen for golf and any other sport that begins drug testing.

[Frankensteins Monster]

nah.. just means no more juicing.... they are giving all a year plus notice... thats not an accident...

 

You might want to check that math again.

[ebrasmus21]

All any player has to do is get a MD to write him a prescription for any drug or steroid and he is good to go.

It happens all the time in other sports.

 

MMA for example..you have 30-40 year old fighters (dare i say not old men) getting TRT exemptions. So a 30-40 year old

MMA fighter (Dan Henderson, Vitor Belfort, Chael Sonen...etc) who is in ten times better condition than any PGA player

goes to his MD and gets a doctors note and a prescription and he is good to go. This all happened once UFC started drug testing

but these fighters have been using it since their 20-30's but once it became prohibited it just required a MD prescription and

bingo they are legal. Keep in mind we are talking about the steroid testosterone. Most of these guys were busted for anabolic steroids and HGH and after serving suspensions just went to TRT to keep there edge.

 

NFL drug tests but they are announced long in advance. Most sports its all about keeping the $$ coming in but

testing for appearances.

 

Same will happen for golf and any other sport that begins drug testing.

 

Well said - I agree is about making that dollar. PR and appearances baby. The NLF, MLB, PGA care about PR.

[golfheaven69]

Tiger immediately announces retirement.

[ebrasmus21]

Some have opined that using PED's is good for the athlete, and therefore good for the sport, and the fan. However, what are the long term effects of using PED's on the athlete? That should be the major concern. This isn't the Roman Colosseum.

 

It's not the Colosseum - I agree with that completely but we are also talking about free men making decisions themselves. Maybe the current environment forces their hand (to a certain degree) but look at Duff. That guy ain't juicin.

 

Tiger immediately announces retirement.

 

LOL

[bscinstnct]

This is golf.

 

 

Take all the PEDs you want.

 

It aint gonna make you do this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[MadGolfer76]

This is golf.

 

 

Take all the PEDs you want.

 

It aint gonna make you do this.

 

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No, but it can help with the recovery time after you have fist-pumped yourself into early arthritis.

[new2g0lf]

This is golf.

 

 

Take all the PEDs you want.

 

It aint gonna make you do this.

 

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Just like PEDS didn't make Barry Bonds or others hit a curve ball from a MLB pitcher.

 

It's ironic that MLB holds their head in shame for the hitters that were juicing and totally ignores that the pitchers these guys were facing were also likely juicing.

[bscinstnct]

Complete destruction of the game of golf.

 

158 lbs.

 

Is this PEDs?

 

[bscinstnct]

This is golf.

 

 

Take all the PEDs you want.

 

It aint gonna make you do this.

 

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No, but it can help with the recovery time after you have fist-pumped yourself into early arthritis.

 

MG!

 

Where ya been?

 

TW put his body through its paces, thats for sure. Even here, on the follow through, looks like hes in pain.

 

 

[ConcentricDimples]

I am excited to see who tests positive, and what substance(s) they took. This is mostly because this topic intrigues me; I find it fsxinating to learn what the chemicals do, what they did for the golfer, and so forth.

 

Some PEDs are pretty dangerous. Anobolic steroids can cause thickening of the heart muscle, and when the steroids are stopped and the heart begins to return to normal thickness, the lost mass happens from the wrong side, and the left ventricle becomes dilated (very bad).

 

Other risks of various PEDs:

 

Prostate cancer

Thromboembolism

Sepsis

Kindey Failure

Hypertension (which over many many years causes problems described above with heart enlargement)

Coronary Vasospasms

Hemorrhagic strokes

Hep C and HIV if players share injection needles

Gynecomastua in men ("bish t****")

Testicular atrophy/infertility/sterility

Lymphoma

Diabetes

Internal organs growing so large they impinge on the diaphragm

Hypersexualiy

Psychotic behavior

Hallucinations

Uncontrollable violent rages

Heart arrhythmias/conduction disturbances

Exertional hyponatremia (don't want to get this in the summer heat)

Vascular insufficiency

Heart attacks

Aneurysms

Dehydration

[Vardon Grip]

Oooh testing blood starting in 2018.

 

I better start my detox now otherwise I won't be able to post my 81 with a clear conscience.

[ConcentricDimples]

in high school I had a Mountain Dew habit. One tournament I forgot morning Mountain Dew, and shot 42 with 6 of 9 greens on front 9.. Drank can of Pepsi at turn and came back in 34, 9 of 9 greens (true story).

 

I think chemicals affect our golf games.

[ConcentricDimples]

Holy Tiger-Video Wowza. No human on Tour swings that aggressively anymore.

 

Not Koepka, not DJ, not anyone.

 

 

If that was Tiger's "Titleist PT" 3-wood with his golf ball with liquid inside a rubber sphere, covered in rubber bands, that shot is more impressive than US Open 3-wood shots talked about.

 

 

About US Open and carry distances Fox claimed on Thursday and Friday, something ain't adding up for me. Cant say it's drugs, but something isn't right. A certain golfer carrying his drive 357 yards; something's not right (possibly including the shot tracer).

[wfrogge1]

This is golf.

 

 

Take all the PEDs you want.

 

It aint gonna make you do this.

 

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What if I could give you a drug that let you bang golf balls for 8 hours a day with zero muscle soreness. What if I could give you a drug that makes your mental focus off the chart? Would these two things together eventually lead to what you posted? (yes)

 

With that said the only reason they are testing now is the Olympics. This is why WADA is involved..... Also, only the really dumb golfers using PEDs will get popped. Masking PED use is trivial.

[MadGolfer76]

This is golf.

 

 

Take all the PEDs you want.

 

It aint gonna make you do this.

 

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No, but it can help with the recovery time after you have fist-pumped yourself into early arthritis.

 

MG!

 

Where ya been?

 

TW put his body through its paces, thats for sure. Even here, on the follow through, looks like hes in pain.

 

 

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Eh, laid up, screwed up...you name it - that's me right now. Kind of sympathize with TW, tbh.

[wfrogge1]

What nobody is talking about is the trickle down effect. In most other sports if you are a pro, you are on the list for testing. Does this mean the Web.com tour is in scope? What about the other minor pro tours? What does the Euro tour say about this?

[ConcentricDimples]

This is golf.

 

 

Take all the PEDs you want.

 

It aint gonna make you do this.

 

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What if I could give you a drug that let you bang golf balls for 8 hours a day with zero muscle soreness. What if I could give you a drug that makes your mental focus off the chart? Would these two things together eventually lead to what you posted? (yes)

 

With that said the only reason they are testing now is the Olympics. This is why WADA is involved..... Also, only the really dumb golfers using PEDs will get popped. Masking PED use is trivial.

 

I thought that masking was either easy or unnecessary for water-soluble drugs like amphetamine, but not easy for lipid-soluble drugs (anabolic steroids, THC, etc).

 

I also thought LC-MS/GC-MS were run to identify any chemical present (which would make masking agents useless).

 

Plus, I thought masking agents themselves were tested for and on the banned list?

[KrazyTrain18]

I'll address my thoughts on this in two parts.

 

 

Firstly on the subject of getting "tougher" on PEDs and recovery meds in the sport I fully support this direction. There's no place in any sport for PEDs and the side effects/long term issues associated with them have proven to be detrimental. I don't think golf has a PED problem nor do I think the individuals who take them use them with the intent to gain an advantage but likely recover from nagging injuries quicker. Hopefully this will be a step in the right direction to also help ensure players are properly taking care of themselves.

 

On the topic of suspensions becoming public knowledge I have to disagree. I 100% do not condone the use of recreational drug use nor the use of PEDs however people make mistakes. The public does not need to know and the issues should be dealt with internally.

[Hawkeye77]

This is golf.

 

 

Take all the PEDs you want.

 

It aint gonna make you do this.

 

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No, but it can help with the recovery time after you have fist-pumped yourself into early arthritis.

 

MG!

 

Where ya been?

 

TW put his body through its paces, thats for sure. Even here, on the follow through, looks like hes in pain.

 

 

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Eh, laid up, screwed up...you name it - that's me right now. Kind of sympathize with TW, tbh.

 

Get better man!

[slimeone]

This is golf.

 

 

Take all the PEDs you want.

 

It aint gonna make you do this.

 

[media=]

[/media]

 

What if I could give you a drug that let you bang golf balls for 8 hours a day with zero muscle soreness. What if I could give you a drug that makes your mental focus off the chart? Would these two things together eventually lead to what you posted? (yes)

 

With that said the only reason they are testing now is the Olympics. This is why WADA is involved..... Also, only the really dumb golfers using PEDs will get popped. Masking PED use is trivial.

 

I thought that masking was either easy or unnecessary for water-soluble drugs like amphetamine, but not easy for lipid-soluble drugs (anabolic steroids, THC, etc).

 

I also thought LC-MS/GC-MS were run to identify any chemical present (which would make masking agents useless).

 

Plus, I thought masking agents themselves were tested for and on the banned list?

A lot of the time doping athletes get therapeutic use exemptions for the actual masking agents.

[bscinstnct]

 

Eh, laid up, screwed up...you name it - that's me right now. Kind of sympathize with TW, tbh.

 

Dang, well, miss your posts out here. Hope things will be well.

[lopey986]

The use of PED's screwed up baseball, ruined it for many fans and also screwed up the record books forever. Golf has always been known as probably the most honourable sport. They don't allow cheating of the rules, so they shouldn't allow cheating with drugs either. It's already on the ropes with so many courses closing, and overall business contraction, it would be very dangerous ground to allow PEDs IMO

 

That's some weird revisionist history...McGwire and Sosa saved baseball.

[playa]

I want PED's in sports. These are professionals, let them take what they want.

 

I have always found it kind of funny that athletes can get cortisone shots and be prescribed every which type of painkiller but something like hgh under a doctor's recommendation can't be used for recovery because it's "banned". Seems like a bizarre double standard to take. Professional sports leagues should be doing everything they can to help their players heal from injury, sports are more fun when superstars are healthy and performing.

Painkillers have always confused me. If a drug that reduces pain to allow players to play with injuries isn't performamce enhancing, I don't know what is.