Mizuno JPX 923

[fullyjosh]

9 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

Do stores have fitting heads yet? Saw the golftec pics a page or two back. 

Fwiw I was told TXG won’t have them until October when I asked. 

[Judge Smails]

4 hours ago, ewaldbeukes said:

@Judge Smails If I might ask, why did you stay with the 919's? I am currently on MP5s and when I am flushing them its all good, but was looking for a smidge more help but still a nice club to look down on (as a blade user, slimmer toplines and straighter blades).. Tested the ZX7 last year and loved it, got the great feel, higher flight and good distance gains (almost too much) but was concerned about them being too hot... so stayed in the MP5s while retooling my swing. Going to buy some new ones this year or early next and was thinking a MP221/223 combo or the JPX Tours... or maybe the new ZX7 MKII. I was wanting to lean towards going JPX so curious as to your rationale?

 

So my two gamers at the moment are JPX 919 Tours and MP5s.  I have strayed badly this year buying and selling t100 and ZX7s.  I haven't fully decided what I think of the t100 (I kept one set).  At times I love them, and at times I don't care for them.  But, they are very very good.  The ZX7s are really fantastic, and in most cases I really do like the dual sole.  However, it's not for me in every situation and I prefer the consistency and simplicity of both the Mizuno and Titleist sole grinds.

 

On the issue of MP5 versus Jpx Tour, man.... I am not sure the MP5 is much less forgiving.  I even find myself flushing the MP5 5 iron more often then a do the JPX tour 5 iron.  It's a battle in my bag at the moment and we will see how it plays out.  The biggest reason I pick the JPX sometimes is that I don't like being "that guy" bagging blades when I am playing badly! That said, the difference in forgiveness is somewhat negligible, it really is.  That's more of a credit to the MP5 than critic of the JPX.  I do think the miss they offer is different.  I missed shot with the blades, which for me is low on the face, seems to just fly low but go reasonably straight.  Despite feeling and looking bad, the result is not that bad.  With the JPX my shot may look better but end up short and off target.

 

This is a great topic and happy to keep the conversation going.

[dlow206]

Im going to go hit the 921 hm vs hm pro to give me an idea whether i hit the ball well enough to play hm pro and to see how i react to the difference in offset

[dlow206]

It was a good thing that I went to a store and hit the 921 HM vs HM Pro to get idea if I should go 923 HM or HM Pro.

 

This wasn't a real fitting, just asked to hit both 921 HM and HM Pro and they set them up with shafts that aren't what I play but agreeable to be representative. Also, clubs were standard length and lie, whereas i play -0.5" and two degrees flat from Mizuno lie.

 

HM Pro was much better for my swing faults. My mishits tend to be super spinny, and my spin was higher with the standard 921 HM. So for my misses, the HM Pro were more "forgiving" in terms of distance loss. 

 

Below was an example of a HM Pro shot. 

 

[SagedCrusader]

5 hours ago, dlow206 said:

It was a good thing that I went to a store and hit the 921 HM vs HM Pro to get idea if I should go 923 HM or HM Pro.

 

This wasn't a real fitting, just asked to hit both 921 HM and HM Pro and they set them up with shafts that aren't what I play but agreeable to be representative. Also, clubs were standard length and lie, whereas i play -0.5" and two degrees flat from Mizuno lie.

 

HM Pro was much better for my swing faults. My mishits tend to be super spinny, and my spin was higher with the standard 921 HM. So for my misses, the HM Pro were more "forgiving" in terms of distance loss. 

 

Below was an example of a HM Pro shot. 

 

I wish I would have hit the hmps like I did the hot metals, the pros just weren't consistent for me

[jblough99]

Interesting they list a Hot Metal HL, assuming HL stands for High Launch.  Is this finally a game improvement iron without ridiculously jacked lofts?  I guess we will find out in about a week when these officially get released.

[dlow206]

4 hours ago, jblough99 said:

Interesting they list a Hot Metal HL, assuming HL stands for High Launch.  Is this finally a game improvement iron without ridiculously jacked lofts?  I guess we will find out in about a week when these officially get released.

Yes the specs are available on the japanese site

[Carolina Golfer 2]

On 9/16/2022 at 1:32 PM, dlow206 said:

Do stores have fitting heads yet? Saw the golftec pics a page or two back. 

I haven’t been in the office since Wed. But our Lead Instructor texted me and told me theres a Mizuno box in my office.  And I am not expecting anything else yet.   So will find out Monday 😬

[Carolina Golfer 2]

6 hours ago, jblough99 said:

Interesting they list a Hot Metal HL, assuming HL stands for High Launch.  Is this finally a game improvement iron without ridiculously jacked lofts?  I guess we will find out in about a week when these officially get released.

Yep. Saw them last week.  Very similar size and shape to the standard Hot Metal.   But weaker lofts-32 to 30- for the 7 iron.   Obviously to help those who need help getting the ball in the air. But retains the face and construction of the HM.  So it will fly higher and further than the Forged at the same lofts. 

[VanTheMan0519]

I live in WV and the local Dicks had the new heads in. Already on the Mizuno cart. 

[cw1209]

On 9/16/2022 at 1:52 PM, Judge Smails said:

So my two gamers at the moment are JPX 919 Tours and MP5s.  I have strayed badly this year buying and selling t100 and ZX7s.  I haven't fully decided what I think of the t100 (I kept one set).  At times I love them, and at times I don't care for them.  But, they are very very good.  The ZX7s are really fantastic, and in most cases I really do like the dual sole.  However, it's not for me in every situation and I prefer the consistency and simplicity of both the Mizuno and Titleist sole grinds.

 

On the issue of MP5 versus Jpx Tour, man.... I am not sure the MP5 is much less forgiving.  I even find myself flushing the MP5 5 iron more often then a do the JPX tour 5 iron.  It's a battle in my bag at the moment and we will see how it plays out.  The biggest reason I pick the JPX sometimes is that I don't like being "that guy" bagging blades when I am playing badly! That said, the difference in forgiveness is somewhat negligible, it really is.  That's more of a credit to the MP5 than critic of the JPX.  I do think the miss they offer is different.  I missed shot with the blades, which for me is low on the face, seems to just fly low but go reasonably straight.  Despite feeling and looking bad, the result is not that bad.  With the JPX my shot may look better but end up short and off target.

 

This is a great topic and happy to keep the conversation going.

 

Sold my MP20 irons for a T100 set. The reason is exactly what you have mentioned. When you are the only guy with blades in your bag, everyone assumes your iron game is top shelf and it's not enjoyable to prove them wrong. Despite what Maltby says, I haven't found a huge increase in forgiveness with the T100 irons. Honestly the only thing I am still trying to sort out is turf interaction. I really like the cambered, low bounce Mizuno sole grind. The T100 grind is also really good, just different. Will be looking close at the JPX 923 Tours as a backup set. 

[noodle3872]

 

[NZ315]

Doesn’t matter what they come up with not talking my 223’s out of the bag. They are absolute beauties in the bag. 

[Lemonde]

16 minutes ago, NZ315 said:

Doesn’t matter what they come up with not talking my 223’s out of the bag. They are absolute beauties in the bag. 

Agreed. I cant get past a 44 degree PW. 

[HIRED]

6 hours ago, noodle3872 said:

 

Interest …  I wonder how bendable the tour is. 
 

if I could bend the Tour to 32 degree 7 iron I’d be more interested. Love the look compared to forged or HMP

[Bunkersarebigcups]

3 hours ago, HIRED said:

Interest …  I wonder how bendable the tour is. 
 

if I could bend the Tour to 32 degree 7 iron I’d be more interested. Love the look compared to forged or HMP

2 degrees strong should be no problem, if the reduced bounce still works for you. In their suggestions for combo sets (https://mizunogolf.com/uk/irons-comparison-table/), many sets advise the 221 to get bent 2* stronger and they're from the same material!

[ewaldbeukes]

On 9/16/2022 at 7:52 PM, Judge Smails said:

So my two gamers at the moment are JPX 919 Tours and MP5s.  I have strayed badly this year buying and selling t100 and ZX7s.  I haven't fully decided what I think of the t100 (I kept one set).  At times I love them, and at times I don't care for them.  But, they are very very good.  The ZX7s are really fantastic, and in most cases I really do like the dual sole.  However, it's not for me in every situation and I prefer the consistency and simplicity of both the Mizuno and Titleist sole grinds.

 

On the issue of MP5 versus Jpx Tour, man.... I am not sure the MP5 is much less forgiving.  I even find myself flushing the MP5 5 iron more often then a do the JPX tour 5 iron.  It's a battle in my bag at the moment and we will see how it plays out.  The biggest reason I pick the JPX sometimes is that I don't like being "that guy" bagging blades when I am playing badly! That said, the difference in forgiveness is somewhat negligible, it really is.  That's more of a credit to the MP5 than critic of the JPX.  I do think the miss they offer is different.  I missed shot with the blades, which for me is low on the face, seems to just fly low but go reasonably straight.  Despite feeling and looking bad, the result is not that bad.  With the JPX my shot may look better but end up short and off target.

 

This is a great topic and happy to keep the conversation going.

Thanks for the feedback! On your misses - the JPX looks like a slightly longer blade length... is there a touch more forgiveness towards the toe vs the MP5? Looking for a thin topline (new JPX seems to hit that) great turf interaction (most of the mizzys are) and then a bit of help on the toe miss (where I miss when I do).. 

[Judge Smails]

4 hours ago, ewaldbeukes said:

Thanks for the feedback! On your misses - the JPX looks like a slightly longer blade length... is there a touch more forgiveness towards the toe vs the MP5? Looking for a thin topline (new JPX seems to hit that) great turf interaction (most of the mizzys are) and then a bit of help on the toe miss (where I miss when I do).. 

I suppose it does but, really, my take on these two clubs is that there is not a ton of difference.  Again, more of a complement to the MP5s forgiveness rather than the other way around.

[benz5521]

I just did a fitting with and ordered 923 hot metal pros. Compared them to 225s. 
 

The fitting suggested 1/4” over and 2.5 degrees upright. I ordered them 1/2” over and 2 degrees upright on project X IO 6.0 shafts. Debating switching to 1/4” over but liked the feel of the 1/2” over shafts they had available for fitting. 

[boycer]

2 hours ago, benz5521 said:

I just did a fitting with and ordered 923 hot metal pros. Compared them to 225s. 
 

The fitting suggested 1/4” over and 2.5 degrees upright. I ordered them 1/2” over and 2 degrees upright on project X IO 6.0 shafts. Debating switching to 1/4” over but liked the feel of the 1/2” over shafts they had available for fitting. 

And how did they compare to the 225s? Feel, flight, distance, accuracy?

[benz5521]

10 minutes ago, boycer said:

And how did they compare to the 225s? Feel, flight, distance, accuracy?

the 225s are pretty dang good. Great feel to me but I’m also not as good as most WRXers. But I was hitting these perfect little draws with the HMP with how they were set up and I wanted the added forgiveness. But the 225s seemed very forgiving too. 

[Brooks_Cupcake]

6 hours ago, benz5521 said:

I just did a fitting with and ordered 923 hot metal pros. Compared them to 225s. 
 

The fitting suggested 1/4” over and 2.5 degrees upright. I ordered them 1/2” over and 2 degrees upright on project X IO 6.0 shafts. Debating switching to 1/4” over but liked the feel of the 1/2” over shafts they had available for fitting. 

Just so you’re aware, compared to other OEMs you’ll now be 3/4” over Titleist standard as Mizuno measures grip off, so your fitter actually put you in 1/2” over when comparing against 37” grip on measurements 

[benz5521]

9 hours ago, Brooks_Cupcake said:

Just so you’re aware, compared to other OEMs you’ll now be 3/4” over Titleist standard as Mizuno measures grip off, so your fitter actually put you in 1/2” over when comparing against 37” grip on measurements 

 

Appreciate that and I thought maybe that was the case. I’m going to call them this morning and switch it to 1/4” over. I’ll feel better about it considering that’s what the Mizuno computer recommended as well. 

[stephenmatt]

I smacked around the 923 Forged for a good bit today. I liked it and it is forgiving and long. Probably not as workable as something I would want to play and the head is a little too large but it was a nice club. My only complaint was it felt a little bit heavy in the head. Otherwise it was really nice.

[stephenmatt]

20 hours ago, Brooks_Cupcake said:

Just so you’re aware, compared to other OEMs you’ll now be 3/4” over Titleist standard as Mizuno measures grip off, so your fitter actually put you in 1/2” over when comparing against 37” grip on measurements 

So Mizuno clubs actually play a half inch or quarter inch longer than other manufacturers in their "standard" length?

Edited September 21, 2022 by stephenmatt

[Brooks_Cupcake]

9 minutes ago, stephenmatt said:

So Mizuno clubs actually play a half inch or quarter inch longer than other manufacturers in their "standard" length?

0.25” compared to most except Srixon which is about 1/8” longer than Titleist standard 

[stephenmatt]

2 minutes ago, Brooks_Cupcake said:

0.25” compared to most except Srixon which is about 1/8” longer than Titleist standard 

So a Mizuno 7 iron will play at what length compared to a Titleist 7 Iron?

[Lemonde]

7 minutes ago, Brooks_Cupcake said:

0.25” compared to most except Srixon which is about 1/8” longer than Titleist standard 

I thought Mizuno was the standard 😉

[Brooks_Cupcake]

31 minutes ago, stephenmatt said:

So a Mizuno 7 iron will play at what length compared to a Titleist 7 Iron?

0.25” over vs Titleist 

[yellolab]

14 hours ago, stephenmatt said:

I smacked around the 923 Forged for a good bit today. I liked it and it is forgiving and long. Probably not as workable as something I would want to play and the head is a little too large but it was a nice club. My only complaint was it felt a little bit heavy in the head. Otherwise it was really nice.

 

Nice, which Golftec location?