2024 LPGA Season Odds and Ends

[ChronicSlicer]

20 hours ago, postfold said:

 

As long as you can make enough to keep your card, pay your expenses and have a little in the bank

The expenses and a little in the bank are the part I get hung up on. Wasn't there a few players who were asked about expenses and they said expenses could be as much as 100k? Is that a high maintenance gal, or a bit exaggerated?

[jimecherry]

11 minutes ago, ChronicSlicer said:

The expenses and a little in the bank are the part I get hung up on. Wasn't there a few players who were asked about expenses and they said expenses could be as much as 100k? Is that a high maintenance gal, or a bit exaggerated?

probably depends. is a caddie considered an expense? ;}

Edited February 8 by jimecherry

[18majors]

13 minutes ago, ChronicSlicer said:

expenses could be as much as 100k

 

 

Assuming a player takes twenty-five seven day trip a year, each trip can be either $1,500 or $10,000; depending on which class of airplane or lodging.  There isn't a standard pricing, the range is $37,500 or $250,000.

 

The other expenses are coach, trainer, caddie, agent and other miscellaneous items.

Edited February 8 by 18majors

[ChronicSlicer]

1 minute ago, 18majors said:

 

 

Assuming a player takes twenty-five seven day trip a year, each trip can be either $1,500 or $10,000; depending on which class of airplane or lodging.  There isn't a standard pricing, the range is $37,500 or $250,000.

The 37k sounds low for 25 weeks of flights, food, hotels, rental cars, caddy..etc

@Argonne69 spends that on beers and BBQ each week out on the road 😉

[woahnelly]

On 2/7/2024 at 12:03 PM, Seamus_McDuff said:

Add Lucy Li

 

one spot left

 

 

It's mine! 

 

Yuting Shi/Seki plays on JLPGA. She did pick up a win in 2022.  Played Simone Asian Cup both times for Team China. Her Rolex Ranking was in the top 4, but she declined to play the Int'l Crown. 

 

She also received an invite to the HSBC so maybe she is planning on taking her talents to the states soon.

Edited February 9 by woahnelly

[postfold]

52 minutes ago, ChronicSlicer said:

The expenses and a little in the bank are the part I get hung up on. Wasn't there a few players who were asked about expenses and they said expenses could be as much as 100k? Is that a high maintenance gal, or a bit exaggerated?

 

I'm sure it varies widely.  There are ways to cut corners, travel cheaply, stay in hosted housing, use a spouse or daddy caddy, whatever.  But no matter how thrifty you're inclined to be, you're still looking at travel, room and board, tournament expenses all of which add up.

 

99 players made $200k in official money last year, 128 made at least 100k.  So if you're not in the top 125 you might have trouble making expenses, at least if you're playing a full-ish schedule

[ChronicSlicer]

1 hour ago, jimecherry said:

probably depends. is a caddie considered an expense? ;}

Sure, unless you're Sophia Shubert.

 

[ChronicSlicer]

1 hour ago, postfold said:

128 made at least 100k.  So if you're not in the top 125 you might have trouble making expenses, at least if you're playing a full-ish schedule

Right, now that we've roughly discussed expenses on tour, add in expenses outside of golf like food, car payments, mortgage/rent, bills, etc...

 

You look at a player like Dani Holmqvist who's been out there since 2014 and earned 600k...how does she pull that off? 60k a year average for golf expenses and non golf expenses, that's next to impossible to believe.

[woahnelly]

16 minutes ago, ChronicSlicer said:

Right, now that we've roughly discussed expenses on tour, add in expenses outside of golf like food, car payments, mortgage/rent, bills, etc...

 

You look at a player like Dani Holmqvist who's been out there since 2014 and earned 600k...how does she pull that off? 60k a year average for golf expenses and non golf expenses, that's next to impossible to believe.

 

Even more so hard to believe when some of these players are married to caddies. 

 

In one of either Inbee or Na Yeon Chois old YT videos, they had like 6 or 7 players renting a house together in LA. 

 

They must hustle WRXers on the side in their spare time.

[JungleJimbo]

2 hours ago, ChronicSlicer said:

The expenses and a little in the bank are the part I get hung up on. Wasn't there a few players who were asked about expenses and they said expenses could be as much as 100k? Is that a high maintenance gal, or a bit exaggerated?

 

1 hour ago, postfold said:

 

I'm sure it varies widely.  There are ways to cut corners, travel cheaply, stay in hosted housing, use a spouse or daddy caddy, whatever.  But no matter how thrifty you're inclined to be, you're still looking at travel, room and board, tournament expenses all of which add up.

 

99 players made $200k in official money last year, 128 made at least 100k.  So if you're not in the top 125 you might have trouble making expenses, at least if you're playing a full-ish schedule

Some more details here

 

https://www.golfwrx.com/664995/former-lpga-pro-shares-detailed-breakdown-of-expenses-for-a-year-on-symetra-tour/

 

 

 

[stevegp]

Several years ago I remember reading an interview with Stacy Lewis. She claimed that her yearly golf expenses for her entire team, travel, lodging, etc., was $180,000.

[bobfoster]

3 hours ago, woahnelly said:

  3 hours ago, ChronicSlicer said:

Right, now that we've roughly discussed expenses on tour, add in expenses outside of golf like food, car payments, mortgage/rent, bills, etc...

 

You look at a player like Dani Holmqvist who's been out there since 2014 and earned 600k...how does she pull that off? 60k a year average for golf expenses and non golf expenses, that's next to impossible to believe.

 

She lives in a van down by the river?

[Raving Shanker]

7 hours ago, postfold said:

 

I'm sure it varies widely.  There are ways to cut corners, travel cheaply, stay in hosted housing, use a spouse or daddy caddy, whatever.  But no matter how thrifty you're inclined to be, you're still looking at travel, room and board, tournament expenses all of which add up.

 

99 players made $200k in official money last year, 128 made at least 100k.  So if you're not in the top 125 you might have trouble making expenses, at least if you're playing a full-ish schedule

Do host venues offer billets to the players?

[JungleJimbo]

Decent podcast today from the LET 

 

 

[woahnelly]

Jenny Shin is trying to pull an LG at the Australian mixed event this week. One off the lead.

 

 

 

[Rapidcat]

1 hour ago, woahnelly said:

Jenny Shin is trying to pull an LG at the Australian mixed event this week. One off the lead.

 

 

 

 

She seems to like Oz and is quite popular here.

 

This from December 23 when she was playing here (Cam seems happy enough too):

[gsrjc]

2 hours ago, woahnelly said:

Jenny Shin is trying to pull an LG at the Australian mixed event this week. One off the lead.

 

 

 

I really like her. Went to high school the next city down from where I went. Never knew her though. 

[woahnelly]

1 hour ago, Rapidcat said:

 

She seems to like Oz and is quite popular here.

 

This from December 23 when she was playing here (Cam seems happy enough too):

 

She did state on her twitter she has a thing for Aussie men and long hair 😂

[OnTheBag]

2 hours ago, woahnelly said:

Jenny Shin is trying to pull an LG at the Australian mixed event this week. One off the lead.

 

 

 

JShin is a hoot and one of my favorite players to be around.  Glad to see her doing well after the issues she had a few years ago.  

[3eagles]

This is one way that might cut down on travel expenses.

 

[bobfoster]

17 hours ago, Raving Shanker said:

Do host venues offer billets to the players?

Actually, I'm not sure if the LPGA does this, but some years ago I lived in Florida close to several tournament courses, had a couple extra rooms, and several times hosted what would now be called KF players (at the time it was the Web.com Tour and before that the Nationwide Tour). The Tour had programs that invited you to volunteer to give room and board during tournament weeks (a huge expense for kids just starting to try to do professional golf). Have several friends that have also done it in the past. Overall had extremely positive experiences. They guys were almost universally polite, well mannered, and very appreciative. 

 

Not sure if the LPGA does that (maybe woahnelly knows?) - but LPGA purses are not that big, and I'd imagine unless someone comes from money, getting started on the tour has got to be a financially dauting prospect. 

[JungleJimbo]

1 minute ago, bobfoster said:

Actually, I'm not sure if the LPGA does this, but some years ago I lived in Florida close to several tournament courses, had a couple extra rooms, and several times hosted what would now be called KF players (at the time it was the Web.com Tour and before that the Nationwide Tour). The Tour had programs that invited you to volunteer to give room and board during tournament weeks (a huge expense for kids just starting to try to do professional golf). Have several friends that have also done it in the past. Overall had extremely positive experiences. They guys were almost universally polite, well mannered, and very appreciative. 

 

Not sure if the LPGA does that (maybe woahnelly knows?) - but LPGA purses are not that big, and I'd imagine unless someone comes from money, getting started on the tour has got to be a financially dauting prospect. 

 

18 hours ago, Raving Shanker said:

Do host venues offer billets to the players?

 

Is "billet" = "host family"? 

IIRC ... @North Texas has experience with being either a WAPT tournament organiser/ volunteer/ host-family for some of the tournament players?

 

This article Link i shared had some comments from Epson Tour (ex-Symetra) players.

 

https://www.golfwrx.com/664995/former-lpga-pro-shares-detailed-breakdown-of-expenses-for-a-year-on-symetra-tour/ 

 

...Quote: "Former LPGA professional Anya Alvarez has since praised Gregg for speaking up on the topic and subsequently produced a very interesting breakdown of her expenses for a year of playing on the Symetra Tour. ...It’s worth noting that the figures are from almost 9 years ago, and as she wrote on Twitter to accompany the breakdown, Alvarez said, “I drove to 90% of events, stayed with host families, and often didn’t have a caddie. LPGA expenses were much more.” 

 

[bobfoster]

15 minutes ago, JungleJimbo said:

 

 

Is "billet" = "host family"? 

IIRC ... @North Texas has experience with being either a WAPT tournament organiser/ volunteer/ host-family for some of the tournament players?

 

This article Link i shared had some comments from Epson Tour (ex-Symetra) players.

 

https://www.golfwrx.com/664995/former-lpga-pro-shares-detailed-breakdown-of-expenses-for-a-year-on-symetra-tour/ 

 

...Quote: "Former LPGA professional Anya Alvarez has since praised Gregg for speaking up on the topic and subsequently produced a very interesting breakdown of her expenses for a year of playing on the Symetra Tour. ...It’s worth noting that the figures are from almost 9 years ago, and as she wrote on Twitter to accompany the breakdown, Alvarez said, “I drove to 90% of events, stayed with host families, and often didn’t have a caddie. LPGA expenses were much more.” 

 

Great article dude. Really makes you think. Except for a very rare few, professional golf is not something you can make money at (even if you are astoundingly good). And the lifestyle on those developmental tours is positively brutal - endless hours in cars or flying coach hoping your clubs make it to the baggage claim, cheap hotels and crappy chain restaurant food. A few golfers at the very top of pro golf can make a fortune, but even players at the lower levels of the full PGA and LPGA tours may not break even. Kind of amazed so many people still try. 

[woahnelly]

15 minutes ago, bobfoster said:

Great article dude. Really makes you think. Except for a very rare few, professional golf is not something you can make money at (even if you are astoundingly good). And the lifestyle on those developmental tours is positively brutal - endless hours in cars or flying coach hoping your clubs make it to the baggage claim, cheap hotels and crappy chain restaurant food. A few golfers at the very top of pro golf can make a fortune, but even players at the lower levels of the full PGA and LPGA tours may not break even. Kind of amazed so many people still try. 

 

It's even harder for the American college gals since they will be a step behind their global peers who are coming to the LPGA already dabbed up in sponsors and years of pro experience under their belts. Maybe now the NIL money will stop the bleeding a bit, especially those who don't come from a privileged background. Those Q school fees are outrageous indeed! 

[bobfoster]

5 minutes ago, woahnelly said:

 

It's even harder for the American college gals since they will be a step behind their global peers who are coming to the LPGA already dabbed up in sponsors and years of pro experience under their belts. Maybe now the NIL money will stop the bleeding a bit, especially those who don't come from a privileged background. Those Q school fees are outrageous indeed! 

This may sound a bit weird, but I wonder whether the success of so many Korean women on tour has something to do with the family structure. The America family has been falling apart (or at least weakening) for a couple decades. I have spent a lot of time (on business) in Asia, and the family structure is extremely strong - relatively speaking. I currently live next to an Indian family. And have for six or seven years. Watched their daughter start getting into tennis. Then really got into it. She's now approaching her mid teens, and is steadily climbing up the amateur rankings. She really wants to go pro someday. But the support she gets is stunning to watch. Her folks drive her to practice for two or three hours almost every day. Seems like every other weekend they drive her to a tournament of some sort (I know this - I watch their dog in exchange for great food ... 😅). They are not just supportive, they are almost obsessively supportive. Occurs to me that this girl will never need to worry about tournament or travel fees. she'll never drive by herself to tournaments and stay in horrible hotels. She isn't doing it alone, she is doing it while standing on an amazingly strong family foundation. 

 

Yes, this is tennis not golf, but I suspect something similar applies. This sort of culture is common (in my experience) in Japan as well, China, South Korea and etc. You aren't out there just doing it yourself. That article from @JungleJimbo was interesting, but almost sad. Isolated girls living a hard life on the road with no support system behind them. 

 

I am not certain this is relevant, or how relevant it is. It is just something that occurred to me tonight when I read that article. No Korean woman would have written it. You don't do things alone, you do them with your family. You travel with a built in fan base, that cheers you when you succeed, and soothes you during down times. It isn't just financial support, they freaking go to all your tournaments. (Parenthetically? Tiger had that - yeah, his Dad was black, but his mother - and support system - was distinctly Asian in nature.) 

 

Hope it is okay to say all this. Just observations. You are spot on correct - Q School fees are outrageous - but I'd be willing to bet very few Korean woman would need to worry about them. 

 

Strange ruminations on a winter night. 

 

 

[JungleJimbo]

4 minutes ago, bobfoster said:

This may sound a bit weird, but I wonder whether the success of so many Korean women on tour has something to do with the family structure. The America family has been falling apart (or at least weakening) for a couple decades. I have spent a lot of time (on business) in Asia, and the family structure is extremely strong - relatively speaking. I currently live next to an Indian family. And have for six or seven years. Watched their daughter start getting into tennis. Then really got into it. She's now approaching her mid teens, and is steadily climbing up the amateur rankings. She really wants to go pro someday. But the support she gets is stunning to watch. Her folks drive her to practice for two or three hours almost every day. Seems like every other weekend they drive her to a tournament of some sort (I know this - I watch their dog in exchange for great food ... 😅). They are not just supportive, they are almost obsessively supportive. Occurs to me that this girl will never need to worry about tournament or travel fees. she'll never drive by herself to tournaments and stay in horrible hotels. She isn't doing it alone, she is doing it while standing on an amazingly strong family foundation. 

 

Yes, this is tennis not golf, but I suspect something similar applies. This sort of culture is common (in my experience) in Japan as well, China, South Korea and etc. You aren't out there just doing it yourself. That article from @JungleJimbo was interesting, but almost sad. Isolated girls living a hard life on the road with no support system behind them. 

 

I am not certain this is relevant, or how relevant it is. It is just something that occurred to me tonight when I read that article. No Korean woman would have written it. You don't do things alone, you do them with your family. You travel with a built in fan base, that cheers you when you succeed, and soothes you during down times. It isn't just financial support, they freaking go to all your tournaments. (Parenthetically? Tiger had that - yeah, his Dad was black, but his mother - and support system - was distinctly Asian in nature.) 

 

Hope it is okay to say all this. Just observations. You are spot on correct - Q School fees are outrageous - but I'd be willing to bet very few Korean woman would need to worry about them. 

 

Strange ruminations on a winter night. 

 

 

Plenty other examples (not just LPGA/women’s tours) eg Sahith Theegala. Thailand too. 
 

You might like these Golf Digest podcasts covering same topic. Linked in this related thread. 
 

 

detailed article on journeywomen LPGA players and the “bootstrapping” / perpetual hustle-hustle-hustle involved. (Circa Oct 2020)
 

here’s the Link. 

 

(Nov 2021 four-part series/ “Best of” compilation: https://www.golfdigest.com/story/podcast-money-pga-tour-lpga-tour

 

 

(Oct2020) “Our latest podcast examines the financial realities of the average LPGA Tour player”: https://www.golfdigest.com/story/lpga-tour-finances-podcast/

 

From Nov 2021:

“To celebrate the completion of two seasons of Local Knowledge, we’re releasing a special four-part series where we revisit some of our favorite episodes.

The second installment is all about money. How do you afford pro golf when you’re just starting out? Who’s making a ton of money? Who’s making too little?

We first look at the PGA Tour, and the big purses and huge endorsement deals modern players earn. From Arnie to Tiger, we explore how the tour evolved into its current lucrative state.

 

From there, we look at the LPGA Tour (9:44 mark), where players’ financial situations are more precarious. While top players can make a good living, as you move down the money list, things get less comfortable. We talk to LPGA Tour players and other in the industry about the financial realities of being a female Tour player.

We next look at how expensive Tour life is, and how up-and-comers afford it (19:53 mark). One means of doing so, which the episode is based on, is players finding a single benefactor to fund them—known jokingly as "a Sugar Daddy." Often done over a handshake instead of a formal contract, these deals can get complicated.

 

 

[JungleJimbo]

1 hour ago, woahnelly said:

 

It's even harder for the American college gals since they will be a step behind their global peers who are coming to the LPGA already dabbed up in sponsors and years of pro experience under their belts. Maybe now the NIL money will stop the bleeding a bit, especially those who don't come from a privileged background. Those Q school fees are outrageous indeed! 

@OnTheBag has detailed insights on the realities/ struggles w.r.t. the women’s pro golf tours… eg Linked here (and also in related LPGA threads) 

 

 

 

 

27 minutes ago, bobfoster said:

This may sound a bit weird, but I wonder whether the success of so many Korean women on tour has something to do with the family structure. The America family has been falling apart (or at least weakening) for a couple decades. I have spent a lot of time (on business) in Asia, and the family structure is extremely strong - relatively speaking. I currently live next to an Indian family. And have for six or seven years. Watched their daughter start getting into tennis. Then really got into it. She's now approaching her mid teens, and is steadily climbing up the amateur rankings. She really wants to go pro someday. But the support she gets is stunning to watch. Her folks drive her to practice for two or three hours almost every day. Seems like every other weekend they drive her to a tournament of some sort (I know this - I watch their dog in exchange for great food ... 😅). They are not just supportive, they are almost obsessively supportive. Occurs to me that this girl will never need to worry about tournament or travel fees. she'll never drive by herself to tournaments and stay in horrible hotels. She isn't doing it alone, she is doing it while standing on an amazingly strong family foundation. 

 

Yes, this is tennis not golf, but I suspect something similar applies. This sort of culture is common (in my experience) in Japan as well, China, South Korea and etc. You aren't out there just doing it yourself. That article from @JungleJimbo was interesting, but almost sad. Isolated girls living a hard life on the road with no support system behind them. 

 

I am not certain this is relevant, or how relevant it is. It is just something that occurred to me tonight when I read that article. No Korean woman would have written it. You don't do things alone, you do them with your family. You travel with a built in fan base, that cheers you when you succeed, and soothes you during down times. It isn't just financial support, they freaking go to all your tournaments. (Parenthetically? Tiger had that - yeah, his Dad was black, but his mother - and support system - was distinctly Asian in nature.) 

 

Hope it is okay to say all this. Just observations. You are spot on correct - Q School fees are outrageous - but I'd be willing to bet very few Korean woman would need to worry about them. 

 

Strange ruminations on a winter night. 

 

 

 

Edited February 10 by JungleJimbo

[woahnelly]

43 minutes ago, bobfoster said:

This may sound a bit weird, but I wonder whether the success of so many Korean women on tour has something to do with the family structure. The America family has been falling apart (or at least weakening) for a couple decades. I have spent a lot of time (on business) in Asia, and the family structure is extremely strong - relatively speaking. I currently live next to an Indian family. And have for six or seven years. Watched their daughter start getting into tennis. Then really got into it. She's now approaching her mid teens, and is steadily climbing up the amateur rankings. She really wants to go pro someday. But the support she gets is stunning to watch. Her folks drive her to practice for two or three hours almost every day. Seems like every other weekend they drive her to a tournament of some sort (I know this - I watch their dog in exchange for great food ... 😅). They are not just supportive, they are almost obsessively supportive. Occurs to me that this girl will never need to worry about tournament or travel fees. she'll never drive by herself to tournaments and stay in horrible hotels. She isn't doing it alone, she is doing it while standing on an amazingly strong family foundation. 

 

Yes, this is tennis not golf, but I suspect something similar applies. This sort of culture is common (in my experience) in Japan as well, China, South Korea and etc. You aren't out there just doing it yourself. That article from @JungleJimbo was interesting, but almost sad. Isolated girls living a hard life on the road with no support system behind them. 

 

I am not certain this is relevant, or how relevant it is. It is just something that occurred to me tonight when I read that article. No Korean woman would have written it. You don't do things alone, you do them with your family. You travel with a built in fan base, that cheers you when you succeed, and soothes you during down times. It isn't just financial support, they freaking go to all your tournaments. (Parenthetically? Tiger had that - yeah, his Dad was black, but his mother - and support system - was distinctly Asian in nature.) 

 

Hope it is okay to say all this. Just observations. You are spot on correct - Q School fees are outrageous - but I'd be willing to bet very few Korean woman would need to worry about them. 

 

Strange ruminations on a winter night. 

 

 

 

 

 

Cant find the full episode but this is a nice clip to show how serious and determined young girls are in Korea to becoming professional golfers. Definitely an expensive investment, but I'm sure the dads want their kid to be the next Sei Ri Pak.

 

They have a 3 tiered system (Jump Tour, Dream Tour, KLPGA) Coming to the LPGA may not even be the end all, be all for some and even some others (cute ones) can just make a decent living on sponsorships alone. As long as long as they are fundamentally sound, just making TV apperances as Korea has 4 channels dedicated to golf. As my old Korean college roommate would say "Ladies watch men's soccer and men watch ladies golf." 

 

 

 

Even the  KLPGA Award show looks like the Oscars 😂

 

 

Edited February 10 by woahnelly

[OnTheBag]

38 minutes ago, bobfoster said:

This may sound a bit weird, but I wonder whether the success of so many Korean women on tour has something to do with the family structure. The America family has been falling apart (or at least weakening) for a couple decades. I have spent a lot of time (on business) in Asia, and the family structure is extremely strong - relatively speaking. I currently live next to an Indian family. And have for six or seven years. Watched their daughter start getting into tennis. Then really got into it. She's now approaching her mid teens, and is steadily climbing up the amateur rankings. She really wants to go pro someday. But the support she gets is stunning to watch. Her folks drive her to practice for two or three hours almost every day. Seems like every other weekend they drive her to a tournament of some sort (I know this - I watch their dog in exchange for great food ... 😅). They are not just supportive, they are almost obsessively supportive. Occurs to me that this girl will never need to worry about tournament or travel fees. she'll never drive by herself to tournaments and stay in horrible hotels. She isn't doing it alone, she is doing it while standing on an amazingly strong family foundation. 

 

Yes, this is tennis not golf, but I suspect something similar applies. This sort of culture is common (in my experience) in Japan as well, China, South Korea and etc. You aren't out there just doing it yourself. That article from @JungleJimbo was interesting, but almost sad. Isolated girls living a hard life on the road with no support system behind them. 

 

I am not certain this is relevant, or how relevant it is. It is just something that occurred to me tonight when I read that article. No Korean woman would have written it. You don't do things alone, you do them with your family. You travel with a built in fan base, that cheers you when you succeed, and soothes you during down times. It isn't just financial support, they freaking go to all your tournaments. (Parenthetically? Tiger had that - yeah, his Dad was black, but his mother - and support system - was distinctly Asian in nature.) 

 

Hope it is okay to say all this. Just observations. You are spot on correct - Q School fees are outrageous - but I'd be willing to bet very few Korean woman would need to worry about them. 

 

Strange ruminations on a winter night. 

 

 

Well said.

 

[bobfoster]

2 hours ago, woahnelly said:

 

 

 

Cant find the full episode but this is a nice clip to show how serious and determined young girls are in Korea to becoming professional golfers. Definitely an expensive investment, but I'm sure the dads want their kid to be the next Sei Ri Pak.

 

They have a 3 tiered system (Jump Tour, Dream Tour, KLPGA) Coming to the LPGA may not even be the end all, be all for some and even some others (cute ones) can just make a decent living on sponsorships alone. As long as long as they are fundamentally sound, just making TV apperances as Korea has 4 channels dedicated to golf. As my old Korean college roommate would say "Ladies watch men's soccer and men watch ladies golf." 

 

 

 

Even the  KLPGA Award show looks like the Oscars 😂

 

 

"As my old Korean college roommate would say "Ladies watch men's soccer and men watch ladies golf." 😂

 

Totally. I'm dating a Taiwan woman right now. Been playing golf for two years. I thought I was focused (I run a damn corporation). She is scary focused. Learning a lot from that mentality, she is already close to a single digit cap.

 

And yeah, I watch women's golf. Was watching this girl tonight. I want this release (watch her hands in slo-mo). I so wish I could swing so seemingly effortlessly. How can a girl so young have a swing so smooth?

 

Edited February 10 by bobfoster