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  • alarsen726alarsen726  26WRX Points: 18Members Posts: 26 Bunkers
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    Hey popeye I’ve never owned any Maltby irons but I am gaming some mp25 right now and they don’t have the forgiveness I’m looking for. Would a ts2, ptm or dbm be a better more forgiving iron? Which would you rank the most forgiving?

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  • Sparky14Sparky14 San Clemente CA 447WRX Points: 174Handicap: 4Members Posts: 447 Greens
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    On -, @alarsen726 said:

    Hey popeye I’ve never owned any Maltby irons but I am gaming some mp25 right now and they don’t have the forgiveness I’m looking for. Would a ts2, ptm or dbm be a better more forgiving iron? Which would you rank the most forgiving?

    Thanks

    Most forgiving - PTM, then TS2, then DBM...but not significant enough difference in forgiveness to worry about.

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  • alarsen726alarsen726  26WRX Points: 18Members Posts: 26 Bunkers
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    On -, @Sparky14 said:

    On -, @alarsen726 said:

    Hey popeye I’ve never owned any Maltby irons but I am gaming some mp25 right now and they don’t have the forgiveness I’m looking for. Would a ts2, ptm or dbm be a better more forgiving iron? Which would you rank the most forgiving?

    Thanks

    Most forgiving - PTM, then TS2, then DBM...but not significant enough difference in forgiveness to worry about.

    Would you say the ts2 is worth the extra money over the ptm?

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  • Sparky14Sparky14 San Clemente CA 447WRX Points: 174Handicap: 4Members Posts: 447 Greens
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    Tough call on the value aspect. I found the PTM to be a bit more game improvement than I like, but 6 months after I think the Recoil shafts I had may not have been best for me. The TS2 are sweet, no doubt. If you prefer the looks and specs of the TS2, I wouldn't be bothered spending $100 more to get them. And I'd also be OK with spending $150 less for the TE Forged. They are all nice heads, and all perform well.

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  • Popeye64Popeye64  1050WRX Points: 214Handicap: .2Members Posts: 1,050 Platinum Tees
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    On -, @alarsen726 said:

    Hey popeye I’ve never owned any Maltby irons but I am gaming some mp25 right now and they don’t have the forgiveness I’m looking for. Would a ts2, ptm or dbm be a better more forgiving iron? Which would you rank the most forgiving?

    Thanks

    That's not a cut and dry question really. A lot of times its personal preference. The DBM has the smallest head but a very low COG and will really get the ball up quickly. The PTM has an over all head size fairly similar to the TS-2. The PTM has a wider sole and a lower COG. Visually the PTM looks a lot bigger for some reason.
    I personally like the TS-2 better so I have some bias. If I had to rank them I would Go.. PTM, TS-2, and DBM. There is an argument for shuffling the PTM and the TS-2. For me it feels like you can hit the TS-2 all over the face and do pretty well. I feel the hollow head keeps ball speeds up as you really dont lose much distance on miss hits.

    As a side not I had the TS-1s in play for a while and I just haven't fallen in love with them. I'll give them some more time but I'm going to work in some MMBs with graphite shafts.. TS-1s are Good irons but I find the TS-2 to just do things better with no drama and plenty of accuracy. The TS-1s definitely stay on the players side of the line.

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  • Popeye64Popeye64  1050WRX Points: 214Handicap: .2Members Posts: 1,050 Platinum Tees
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    On -, @alarsen726 said:

    On -, @Sparky14 said:

    On -, @alarsen726 said:

    Hey popeye I’ve never owned any Maltby irons but I am gaming some mp25 right now and they don’t have the forgiveness I’m looking for. Would a ts2, ptm or dbm be a better more forgiving iron? Which would you rank the most forgiving?

    Thanks

    Most forgiving - PTM, then TS2, then DBM...but not significant enough difference in forgiveness to worry about.

    Would you say the ts2 is worth the extra money over the ptm?

    My vote is Yes.

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  • alarsen726alarsen726  26WRX Points: 18Members Posts: 26 Bunkers
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    Sounds like either the ptm or ts2 would work good for me. Anyone have a set laying around they’d want to sell me? 😂

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    Drop me a PM.
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  • DFinchDFinch  1477WRX Points: 272Handicap: 6.5Members Posts: 1,477 Platinum Tees
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    I replaced my PTM's with TS-2. The PTM looks larger, has a thinner topline, and is less forgiving high on the face but more forgiving low on the face. The blade length and thinner topline makes it look longer than the TS-2 even through they are the same length. The proportions look better with the TS-2 unless you absolutely can't look at a thick topline. I used to fall into that category, but I don't even notice the topline now. I hit more toe shots with the PTM due to the longer looking blade. I can flight the TS-2's down way easier. The sole design is magical, rivalled only by Srixon.

    The TS-2 is the best iron I've ever played and I've played a bunch in every category (my 3 favorite of all time are Macgregor 1025M blades, Taylormade R7's, and new all time favorite TS-2).

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  • alarsen726alarsen726  26WRX Points: 18Members Posts: 26 Bunkers
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    On -, @roxald said:

    Drop me a PM.
    Rox

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  • T.B.T.B.  301WRX Points: 105Handicap: 10Members Posts: 301 Greens
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    Was at golf works and these irons look and feel wonderful. They look so much better in person than the do in catalog. Looking forward to getting a set soon. I also heard they have a new driver out this summer that is going to make a big splash,,,according to some employees who’ve seen it and hit proto types

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    On -, @T.B. said:

    Was at golf works and these irons look and feel wonderful. They look so much better in person than the do in catalog. Looking forward to getting a set soon. I also heard they have a new driver out this summer that is going to make a big splash,,,according to some employees who’ve seen it and hit proto types

    Are you referring to the ISO-T currently on the website but not yet released?

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  • ninjabninjab  133WRX Points: 64Members Posts: 133 Fairways
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    High handicapper loving TS-1 build so far, irons are hitting great, now my woods are hacking...

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  • OrangeGravyOrangeGravy WA 1395WRX Points: 303Handicap: $$Members Posts: 1,395 Platinum Tees
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    Does anyone that started with a "demo" TS2 test head/shaft and moved on to the purchase the full set, still have the test club they might be willing to part with?

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  • artist08artist08  729WRX Points: 103Handicap: 0.4Members Posts: 729 Golden Tee
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    I just added my demo 7-iron right into the set. I bought a TS-1 8-iron to test (in case I wanted to build a split set) but just went all TS-2. So now I have just the TS-1 8-iron head. So if anyone is interested PM me.

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    On -, @roxald said:

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    Rox - we had discussed those and I dropped you a line as well. Perhaps the heads are gone. I was the guy looking for 2' flat.

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  • BogeyParBogeyBogeyParBogey Trying to get better... northern IL 206WRX Points: 87Handicap: not keptMembers Posts: 206 Fairways
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    Rather than create a new thread I'm curious in this main Maltby thread if anyone can help me decode Maltby MPF measurements and understand how the MMB-17 for example compares to 716 AP2 that I already own.

    MMB-17 #6 - 1.391" C dim, 0.495" actual Rcog, 0.741" actual Vcog, MOI 11.4, blade length is 3.103" per Golfworks
    716 AP2 #6 - 1.138" C-dim, 0.489" actual Rcog, 0.779" actual Vcog, MOI 14.1, blade length is 78.5mm / 3.090" per another site

    I'm not concerned with the actual MPF bottom line number. I'm curious how the members here would assess playability of the sets. My take away is that Vcog, Rcog, and blade length are practically the same. The AP2 has much higher MOI and the MMB has the sweet spot much farther away from the hosel. My general observation through photos and reading is the MMB has a sharper leading edge and the AP2 is more rounded. Playability appears to be a push. Is this right?

    I read Howard Jones', obviously a very respected member here, comments in post #10 at the link, https://forums.golfwrx.com/discussion/476991/maltby-playability-factor/p1, Howard basically thought Rcog and Vcog were the most important measurements regarding toe hits over the MOI or C dimension.

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  • ThertyTherty SD 109WRX Points: 51Handicap: 18.1Members Posts: 109 Fairways
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    I believe Maltby puts a big emphasis on the C-Dimension, I.e. the distance of the COG from the hosel. I think the bigger C-dimension, the better you are going to be out of a toe strike, because you'll have more mass closer to the impact, and less gear effect. I think if your miss is out of the toe you want to pay attention to Rcog (MOI) and C-Dimm.

    Unless I've completely misunderstood C-dimm.

    On -, @BogeyParBogey said:

    Rather than create a new thread I'm curious in this main Maltby thread if anyone can help me decode Maltby MPF measurements and understand how the MMB-17 for example compares to 716 AP2 that I already own.

    MMB-17 #6 - 1.391" C dim, 0.495" actual Rcog, 0.741" actual Vcog, MOI 11.4, blade length is 3.103" per Golfworks
    716 AP2 #6 - 1.138" C-dim, 0.489" actual Rcog, 0.779" actual Vcog, MOI 14.1, blade length is 78.5mm / 3.090" per another site

    I'm not concerned with the actual MPF bottom line number. I'm curious how the members here would assess playability of the sets. My take away is that Vcog, Rcog, and blade length are practically the same. The AP2 has much higher MOI and the MMB has the sweet spot much farther away from the hosel. My general observation through photos and reading is the MMB has a sharper leading edge and the AP2 is more rounded. Playability appears to be a push. Is this right?

    I read Howard Jones', obviously a very respected member here, comments in post #10 at the link, https://forums.golfwrx.com/discussion/476991/maltby-playability-factor/p1, Howard basically thought Rcog and Vcog were the most important measurements regarding toe hits over the MOI or C dimension.

    Regards
    Dave

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  • Popeye64Popeye64  1050WRX Points: 214Handicap: .2Members Posts: 1,050 Platinum Tees
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    I just have to say after really trying to work in the TS-1s as a split set I just cant commit to them. They are good but the TS-2s just outshine them. In feel, forgiveness, consistency. I actually am doing far better with the MMBs in the short irons. I just cant get comfortable with the TS-1s.
    The TS-2s in the top of the bag continue to be amazing. I actually have a pretty interesting mixed bag right now. Maltby M+ mid sole 58 and 54. MMB Black Gw-6 iron. 6 and 5 TS-2. (TS-2 6 iron is the loft of the MMB 5 iron.) The only chage I will make is adding the TS-2 7 iron. Right now those irons blend perfectly with lofting and the MMbs have some very tight gapping in play. Adding the 7 iron TS-2 is a 3.5° loft gap to the MMB 6 so its close enough. I have been able to hammer my irons dead on the numbers with great consistency. It's not that the TS1s were bad for me..Its just that the MMBs are THAT good still. The MMBs are a little tough at the 6 iron and up so that's where the change happens. An HDI 3 iron sits above the 5 iron before I go to 4 wood and driver. So far scoring extremely well with this setup.

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  • Golf4liferGolf4lifer  578WRX Points: 123Members Posts: 578 Golden Tee
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    On -, @Popeye64 I am loving the TS1’s so far. They look and feel great and I’m hitting them really well. I couldn’t get along with the size of the PTM’s they just look huge to me. I am now debating getting the TS2 4 iron to complete my set.
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  • Popeye64Popeye64  1050WRX Points: 214Handicap: .2Members Posts: 1,050 Platinum Tees
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    On -, @Golf4lifer you wont regret that choice. As long irons I have never hit anything as well as I do the TS-2.
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    Well I had a long head to head range session with an MMB 6 iron and the TS-1 7 iron and the MMB won. My TS-1 heads are up on BST. Just couldnt get along with them. I'll be replacing them with the TS-2s. If anyone wants to make a demo TS-1 it's a good opportunity

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  • Golf4liferGolf4lifer  578WRX Points: 123Members Posts: 578 Golden Tee
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    I played my second round with the TS1’s and I am more than impressed. Even though it wasn’t my best ball striking day, my misses were more than playable. After today’s round I might go with the TS1 4 iron instead of the TS2.

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  • ninjabninjab  133WRX Points: 64Members Posts: 133 Fairways
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    On -, @Golf4lifer said:

    I played my second round with the TS1’s and I am more than impressed. Even though it wasn’t my best ball striking day, my misses were more than playable. After today’s round I might go with the TS1 4 iron instead of the TS2.

    I'd take a good look at your top iron gaps, you may want the 3iron instead of the 4 iron. 3/4/5 irons in TS1 only have 2.5* gaps, for me I would go from 5iron to 3 iron to get appropriate gaps in TS1 (also my 5iron is bent a bit strong to 23.5* from 25). I would imagine you would need a really high swing speed to make 2.5* gaps functional.

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    On -, @ninjab said:

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    I played my second round with the TS1’s and I am more than impressed. Even though it wasn’t my best ball striking day, my misses were more than playable. After today’s round I might go with the TS1 4 iron instead of the TS2.

    I'd take a good look at your top iron gaps, you may want the 3iron instead of the 4 iron. 3/4/5 irons in TS1 only have 2.5* gaps, for me I would go from 5iron to 3 iron to get appropriate gaps in TS1 (also my 5iron is bent a bit strong to 23.5* from 25). I would imagine you would need a really high swing speed to make 2.5* gaps functional.

    Thanks for the heads up. I will definitely take a look at the gapings.

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    Can anyone compare the size of the TS-2's to the new Callaway Apex 19? The 19's are about as large as I want an iron head to be and it would be nice to know the size of the Maltby's in comparison.

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    On -, @CROUSE99 said:

    Can anyone compare the size of the TS-2's to the new Callaway Apex 19? The 19's are about as large as I want an iron head to be and it would be nice to know the size of the Maltby's in comparison.

    I don't think the TS-2's are for you if the Apex 19 is your benchmark for size. Topline on the TS-2 is significantly thicker and overall head size is noticeably larger, both in length and toe height. The thick topline makes the TS-2 look more stubby/compact than it actually is. Offset is about the same in the short to mid irons, TS-2 has less in the longer irons.

    Having said all that, I've just shafted up a TS-2 7 iron and am really impressed by how solid it feels. Great ball flight and very consistent on distance. A full club longer than my G25's, but to be fair my G25 is 2* weaker, so the TS-2 is more likely 1/2 a club longer.

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    On -, @Tommyj said:

    On -, @CROUSE99 said:

    Can anyone compare the size of the TS-2's to the new Callaway Apex 19? The 19's are about as large as I want an iron head to be and it would be nice to know the size of the Maltby's in comparison.

    I don't think the TS-2's are for you if the Apex 19 is your benchmark for size. Topline on the TS-2 is significantly thicker and overall head size is noticeably larger, both in length and toe height. The thick topline makes the TS-2 look more stubby/compact than it actually is. Offset is about the same in the short to mid irons, TS-2 has less in the longer irons.

    Having said all that, I've just shafted up a TS-2 7 iron and am really impressed by how solid it feels. Great ball flight and very consistent on distance. A full club longer than my G25's, but to be fair my G25 is 2* weaker, so the TS-2 is more likely 1/2 a club longer.

    Thanks Tommy. The TS-1 might be a better size for my liking.

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    On -, @CROUSE99 said:

    On -, @Tommyj said:

    On -, @CROUSE99 said:

    Can anyone compare the size of the TS-2's to the new Callaway Apex 19? The 19's are about as large as I want an iron head to be and it would be nice to know the size of the Maltby's in comparison.

    I don't think the TS-2's are for you if the Apex 19 is your benchmark for size. Topline on the TS-2 is significantly thicker and overall head size is noticeably larger, both in length and toe height. The thick topline makes the TS-2 look more stubby/compact than it actually is. Offset is about the same in the short to mid irons, TS-2 has less in the longer irons.

    Having said all that, I've just shafted up a TS-2 7 iron and am really impressed by how solid it feels. Great ball flight and very consistent on distance. A full club longer than my G25's, but to be fair my G25 is 2* weaker, so the TS-2 is more likely 1/2 a club longer.

    Thanks Tommy. The TS-1 might be a better size for my liking.

    To my eye, the TS-1 is slightly larger heel to toe than the Apex Pro 16’s I used to play. They are much smaller than the CF 16’s to me as well. I have not looked at the new Apex 19’s as the TS-1’s are that good.

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    On -, @Tommyj said:

    On -, @CROUSE99 said:

    Can anyone compare the size of the TS-2's to the new Callaway Apex 19? The 19's are about as large as I want an iron head to be and it would be nice to know the size of the Maltby's in comparison.

    I don't think the TS-2's are for you if the Apex 19 is your benchmark for size. Topline on the TS-2 is significantly thicker and overall head size is noticeably larger, both in length and toe height. The thick topline makes the TS-2 look more stubby/compact than it actually is. Offset is about the same in the short to mid irons, TS-2 has less in the longer irons.

    Having said all that, I've just shafted up a TS-2 7 iron and am really impressed by how solid it feels. Great ball flight and very consistent on distance. A full club longer than my G25's, but to be fair my G25 is 2* weaker, so the TS-2 is more likely 1/2 a club longer.

    Thanks again . How would you say they compare to the Titleist 718 AP1's? I have a set of the AP 1's and am looking for something with a smaller head.

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