TaylorMade M5 cracking already ???

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  • scott_Donaldscott_Donald Aberdeen, Scotland & HoustonMembers Posts: 2,484 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    certainly interesting for the poor M5, I did think why have the overhang when I first saw bottom pics.



    I have a few white lines down my m3 track from white wooden tees.
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  • ironmikesironmikes Members Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    I am sure if the people using these heads just ponied up for the TM tour issue tees this would not be happening image/golfer.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':golfer:' />
  • 3woodvt3woodvt 5 test drives for clubface contact. #footpowder Members Posts: 1,628 ✭✭
    Just gonna sit back and watch this thread explode...image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> I see the potential for a Marshall to eventually get involved.
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  • b81smithb81smith ClubWRX Posts: 755 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It’s actually funny how cheap it looks. Also why are a bunch of golfers asking if a golf club hit something. A driver hits a ball at 100 plus mph and needs to be able to withstand hitting a rock in he ground, etc. I always laugh when a non golfer thinks they’ll break my clubs. I say if you can break the club I’ll give ya 100 bucks. Hahaha. A strong man couldn’t snap a new graphite shaft over his leg. Just vent to a U shape and gave up because their shin hurt.



    I’d say that is a fake taylormade or its extremely **** poor made.
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  • cardoustiecardoustie haha, we don't play for 5's Tasmania to CanadaMembers Posts: 12,503 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    That overhang fails Design 101 .. Houston we have a problem



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    Regular tees wouldnt do this. Looks like IF it is because of the tees, it is the large tees in mats. But still skeptical.



    The plight of the 30 handicaper bottoming out on a mat and blaming the tee.




    Heaven forbid a 30 handicap demo's a driver. Maybe the reps should give warnings, "Are you under a 10 handicap? No? I'm sorry, you can't demo this driver. It's delicate and can't handle it if you hit the mat before the tee." (Forget about Rahm slamming his driver into the turf on Sunday... I'm sure that will be fine.)
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  • JagpilotohioJagpilotohio 45+ inch drivers are evil. Columbus, OHMembers Posts: 7,253 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    I haven’t liked Taylormade woods for years so it’s pretty much irrelevant to me except for odd curiosity value of it.
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  • ignitewvuignitewvu Members Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    b81smith wrote:


    It’s actually funny how cheap it looks. Also why are a bunch of golfers asking if a golf club hit something. A driver hits a ball at 100 plus mph and needs to be able to withstand hitting a rock in he ground, etc. I always laugh when a non golfer thinks they’ll break my clubs. I say if you can break the club I’ll give ya 100 bucks. Hahaha. A strong man couldn’t snap a new graphite shaft over his leg. Just vent to a U shape and gave up because their shin hurt.



    I’d say that is a fake taylormade or its extremely **** poor made.




    Unless clubs sent to Golf Galaxy at numerous locals were "Fake" then it's a major design flaw.........which it is TM is aware of it and reps are doing damage control to stores employees.
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  • EricWGolfEricWGolf Members Posts: 646 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Rig14Port wrote:

    noodle3872 wrote:


    So the recoil of a tee can break the carbon sole pieces. Not sure I buy this theory. The tee should bend in the direction of the clubhead’s direction of travel not launch upwards like a spike. But in the fraction of a second that the clubhead is passing over the tee knocking the tee forwards, the tee is wreaking havoc on the carbon pieces. Nah, can’t get my head around that claim. The drivers pictured look like they’ve been abused.


    Does this change your opinion about tees potentially damaging carbon fiber on a driver head?Abmrlb.md.jpg




    Hey, I have one of those pictures too!



    AYDOpm.md.jpg
  • JStangJStang Members Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    EricWGolf wrote:

    Rig14Port wrote:

    noodle3872 wrote:


    So the recoil of a tee can break the carbon sole pieces. Not sure I buy this theory. The tee should bend in the direction of the clubhead's direction of travel not launch upwards like a spike. But in the fraction of a second that the clubhead is passing over the tee knocking the tee forwards, the tee is wreaking havoc on the carbon pieces. Nah, can't get my head around that claim. The drivers pictured look like they've been abused.


    Does this change your opinion about tees potentially damaging carbon fiber on a driver head?Abmrlb.md.jpg




    Hey, I have one of those pictures too!



    AYDOpm.md.jpg




    These are impressive pictures.
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  • b81smithb81smith ClubWRX Posts: 755 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ignitewvu wrote:
    b81smith wrote:


    It’s actually funny how cheap it looks. Also why are a bunch of golfers asking if a golf club hit something. A driver hits a ball at 100 plus mph and needs to be able to withstand hitting a rock in he ground, etc. I always laugh when a non golfer thinks they’ll break my clubs. I say if you can break the club I’ll give ya 100 bucks. Hahaha. A strong man couldn’t snap a new graphite shaft over his leg. Just vent to a U shape and gave up because their shin hurt.



    I’d say that is a fake taylormade or its extremely **** poor made.




    Unless clubs sent to Golf Galaxy at numerous locals were "Fake" then it's a major design flaw.........which it is TM is aware of it and reps are doing damage control to stores employees.




    My bad. Didn’t know it was a post from a big box store and no history attached just a shotty looking driver bottom similar to that as a Chinese copy.



    Odd they wanted carbon fiber over hanging the channel a piece of metal moves back n forth thru. Lmao. I’m no engineer but god that looks breakable and fragile
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  • GooseHookGooseHook Keep it Fraiche Members Posts: 11,744 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    What's just as baffling about this is that the overhang isn't even functional. The weight track doesn't go across the front of the sole anymore! You can even tell in the official product photos that the overhang is quite pronounced.



    Totally can see this happening, and it may not be isolated to a small percentage of heads.
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  • b81smithb81smith ClubWRX Posts: 755 ✭✭✭✭✭
    EricWGolf wrote:
    Rig14Port wrote:

    noodle3872 wrote:


    So the recoil of a tee can break the carbon sole pieces. Not sure I buy this theory. The tee should bend in the direction of the clubhead’s direction of travel not launch upwards like a spike. But in the fraction of a second that the clubhead is passing over the tee knocking the tee forwards, the tee is wreaking havoc on the carbon pieces. Nah, can’t get my head around that claim. The drivers pictured look like they’ve been abused.


    Does this change your opinion about tees potentially damaging carbon fiber on a driver head?Abmrlb.md.jpg




    Hey, I have one of those pictures too!



    AYDOpm.md.jpg




    Holy crap. Assuming these are actual drivers is this type of issue a complete replacement similar to snapping a driver or iron at the hosel? All major companies replace the wood for free if it breaks during normal course of play.



    BUT a plastic tee going threw supposedly one of the lightest strongest materials we can manufacture is.....how you say hard to believe. Must be a 500mph swing. Like when a toothpick goes into a telephone pole in a hurricane right? I’d assume a complete full even custom order full replacement if a this crap happens. Wow
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  • radimanradiman Members Posts: 4,724 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    b81smith wrote:

    EricWGolf wrote:
    Rig14Port wrote:

    noodle3872 wrote:


    So the recoil of a tee can break the carbon sole pieces. Not sure I buy this theory. The tee should bend in the direction of the clubhead’s direction of travel not launch upwards like a spike. But in the fraction of a second that the clubhead is passing over the tee knocking the tee forwards, the tee is wreaking havoc on the carbon pieces. Nah, can’t get my head around that claim. The drivers pictured look like they’ve been abused.


    Does this change your opinion about tees potentially damaging carbon fiber on a driver head?Abmrlb.md.jpg




    Hey, I have one of those pictures too!



    AYDOpm.md.jpg




    Holy crap. Assuming these are actual drivers is this type of issue a complete replacement similar to snapping a driver or iron at the hosel? All major companies replace the wood for free if it breaks during normal course of play.



    BUT a plastic tee going threw supposedly one of the lightest strongest materials we can manufacture is.....how you say hard to believe. Must be a 500mph swing. Like when a toothpick goes into a telephone pole in a hurricane right? I’d assume a complete full even custom order full replacement if a this crap happens. Wow




    It's not going through the carbon fiber itself. It's going into the seam.
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  • GooseHookGooseHook Keep it Fraiche Members Posts: 11,744 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    b81smith wrote:






    BUT a plastic tee going threw supposedly one of the lightest strongest materials we can manufacture is.....how you say hard to believe. Must be a 500mph swing. Like when a toothpick goes into a telephone pole in a hurricane right? I’d assume a complete full even custom order full replacement if a this crap happens. Wow




    Carbon fiber is woven, and can be weak when it's hit from different angles. It can also be brittle, like for example when a thin piece of it is exposed at the edge where cracks can form.
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  • EricWGolfEricWGolf Members Posts: 646 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Jan 28, 2019 4:24pm #77
    radiman wrote:

    b81smith wrote:

    EricWGolf wrote:
    Rig14Port wrote:

    noodle3872 wrote:


    So the recoil of a tee can break the carbon sole pieces. Not sure I buy this theory. The tee should bend in the direction of the clubhead’s direction of travel not launch upwards like a spike. But in the fraction of a second that the clubhead is passing over the tee knocking the tee forwards, the tee is wreaking havoc on the carbon pieces. Nah, can’t get my head around that claim. The drivers pictured look like they’ve been abused.


    Does this change your opinion about tees potentially damaging carbon fiber on a driver head?Abmrlb.md.jpg




    Hey, I have one of those pictures too!



    AYDOpm.md.jpg




    Holy crap. Assuming these are actual drivers is this type of issue a complete replacement similar to snapping a driver or iron at the hosel? All major companies replace the wood for free if it breaks during normal course of play.



    BUT a plastic tee going threw supposedly one of the lightest strongest materials we can manufacture is.....how you say hard to believe. Must be a 500mph swing. Like when a toothpick goes into a telephone pole in a hurricane right? I’d assume a complete full even custom order full replacement if a this crap happens. Wow




    It's not going through the carbon fiber itself. It's going into the seam.




    I took that second photo. The tee went through the carbon fiber, not just in between the metal and CF at the seam. There was a hole in the CF.
  • cardoustiecardoustie haha, we don't play for 5's Tasmania to CanadaMembers Posts: 12,503 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Not being an engineer I ask ... are there not other super light & strong materials that could be as functional as carbon fibre on the bottom of drivers? Paint it to look like CF if need be



    I also recall guys were dropping their epics back into bags and hitting an iron and having the top cave in ....
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  • Big BenBig Ben Members Posts: 9,160 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Jan 28, 2019 5:25pm #79
    Pushing tolerances to the extreme and mix in a little bad engineering....
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  • 3woodvt3woodvt 5 test drives for clubface contact. #footpowder Members Posts: 1,628 ✭✭
    edited Jan 28, 2019 5:30pm #80
    Feel bad for those that go M5 and have issues as it appears there will be issues with this club. TM is #1 or #2 in the industry for woods, this just doesn't make a lot of sense. Anyway best of luck to fellow golfers and hoping you don't have any of these issues if you go down this rabbit hole.
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  • BeerPerHoleBeerPerHole Members Posts: 1,268 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Bonding those carbon fiber surfaces to the metal sub-structure has real challenges. Mention above of the problem caused by making those composites thinner. It's also works if you make them thicker. It's a modulus of elasticity problem. My son cracked the top of the head of his M2 after about a year of use. Years ago I had one of those Loco drivers (out of a sale bin) and it eventually cracked through the graphite. I'd make a certain change to the laminate, for starters.

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  • RobS14526RobS14526 Members Posts: 1,153 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Since this has now been moved to the club making forum, what Dremel attachment are you going to use to remove the lip on your M5? Straight to the little saw blade or maybe the the laminate router attachment.



    All kidding aside, I really hope it works out for all parties.
  • desailledesaille Members Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    That’ll buff right out
  • 3woodvt3woodvt 5 test drives for clubface contact. #footpowder Members Posts: 1,628 ✭✭
    desaille wrote:


    That’ll buff right out
    That just creates a Space port to use another mfg's wording from a few years back...remove the Tee and keep pounding it! Makes it a lot easier to add hot melt as well.
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  • mesomikemesomike ClubWRX Posts: 548 ClubWRX
    Not surprised. There are numerous post on here about broken TaylorMade equipment, especially cracking faces. They have always seemed a little cheap to me. I bought a brand new tour issue tm hybrid from a reputable builder on this site and the weight wouldn’t slide as it was supposed to.
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  • Here comes the BoomHere comes the Boom Members Posts: 223 ✭✭✭
    Stop by a GG and saw same wear on their M5 demo
  • RedbirdRedbird Members Posts: 2,264 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    I just got my M5 today and I honestly can't see how the **** you can hit that part of the club unless you take a divot with your driver. If you're one to slam your club down after a bad tee shot, I'd probably avoid that with this club.
  • noodle3872noodle3872 Chilliwack B.C. CanadaMembers Posts: 2,771 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Look at all the Tour WITB. These guys hit hundreds if not thousands of balls and none of the M5’s in the pics show this damage. Sure, it breaks, they get a new one and so on. I still believe the root cause of the carbon breakage is abuse.
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  • ToothpasteToothpaste Members Posts: 12 ✭✭
    noodle3872 wrote:


    Look at all the Tour WITB. These guys hit hundreds if not thousands of balls and none of the M5’s in the pics show this damage. Sure, it breaks, they get a new one and so on. I still believe the root cause of the carbon breakage is abuse.




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