Rory doesn't need a seasoned caddie...or so he says

https://www.yahoo.com/news/golf-mcilroy-sees-no-superstar-130000225.html

Never knew that his buddy Harry was an excellent player...personally, I think having you're best friend as a caddie will not end well. In my experience, best not to mix business with family and friends...it often ends up getting really ugly.

I agree with that. Just hire someone like everyone else and groove them to your standards.

Uh oh! Sounds like Rory's in a mood again.

He is just preparing us for the Portrush disappointment.

Kind of been saying that for a couple years. Up to him.

With Harry on the bag, Rory actually looks happy to be out there. 14 events, 2 wins and 11 top 10’s in 2019. Seems like it’s working ok.

Rory doesn't know up from f****** down. Needs to pull his head out of his a**.

Every tournament he's saying something new. Just watched the 'Golfs Greatest Rounds - 2018 Open' and the whole time Rory is blabbing about "playing like a kid again". Next he's doing yoga and reading self help books. 2 years ago he's saying "he doesn't give a rats a** about growing the game and that's not what hes here to do". I have nothing against the guy and actually quite like him, but man does it get old.

I don't see the value or need for using a seasoned caddie especially if a pro does his/her own calculations and assessments. But again, if the Pro is lazy or not confident about figuring yardage or reading greens and feels a bit entitled and wants his/her ego stroked whenever, having a seasoned caddie fits.

Rory's problems don't come from who his caddie is. The way he drives the ball, all he has to do is get better control of his wedge game. How to flight them for the shot at hand, control the spin, hit them the right distance. He's a good chipper, good bunker player, and a reasonable putter. He's done better this year but there's still room for improvement. Having a different caddie on the bag isn't going to improve his wedge game. It's totally on Rory to improve it in practice.

> @imakaveli said:

> He is just preparing us for the Portrush disappointment.

I hope he wins so I don't have to read the trolling comments any longer.

This topic has been discussed endlessly.

Rory and his caddy have done really well together and the only minus is the lack of a major(s).

He was saying the same things about his caddy situation after his win at Sawgrass, obviously the subject has resurfaced because of Jason Day hiring Steve Williams.

It’s still the balls fault. Those taylormade balls are shite I tell thee. Needs those magical Kirkland balls and all his troubles will disappear ?

> @OldTomMorris said:

> > @imakaveli said:

> > He is just preparing us for the Portrush disappointment.

>

> I hope he wins so I don't have to read the trolling comments any longer.

I really hope he would win too, but won't happen. Will be surprised he makes the weekend.

> @imakaveli said:

> > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > @imakaveli said:

> > > He is just preparing us for the Portrush disappointment.

> >

> > I hope he wins so I don't have to read the trolling comments any longer.

>

> I really hope he would win too, but won't happen. Will be surprised he makes the weekend.

His recent record in The Open is very good. From his win in The Open 2014 onwards:

1 - DNP - T5 - T4 - T2

I get why some might argue it would be surprise if he won but to say it would be a surprise if me makes the cut seems very harsh to me. OK some might point at his poor record at home in the Irish Open.

We will find out soon enough.

> @OldTomMorris said:

> > @imakaveli said:

> > He is just preparing us for the Portrush disappointment.

>

> I hope he wins so I don't have to read the trolling comments any longer.

I’d hope he makes the cut first. His head is all scrambled currently.

> @OldTomMorris said:

> > @imakaveli said:

> > > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > > @imakaveli said:

> > > > He is just preparing us for the Portrush disappointment.

> > >

> > > I hope he wins so I don't have to read the trolling comments any longer.

> >

> > I really hope he would win too, but won't happen. Will be surprised he makes the weekend.

>

> His recent record in The Open is very good. From his win in The Open 2014 onwards:

> 1 - DNP - T5 - T4 - T2

>

> I get why some might argue it would be surprise if he won but to say it would be a surprise if me makes the cut seems very harsh to me. OK some might point at his poor record at home in the Irish Open.

>

> We will find out soon enough.

Of course it's good, he is the best player of his generation. Another story is when he is expected to win or play good. Anyway, we'll see.

winning the players and canadian open is a bad year? Besides the major winners who has had a better year? he is fine, just needs a better wedge and putter game

> @Pepperturbo said:

> I don't see the value or need for using a seasoned caddie especially if a pro does his/her own calculations and assessments. But again, if the Pro is lazy or not confident about figuring yardage or reading greens and feels a bit entitled and wants his/her ego stroked whenever, having a seasoned caddie fits.

I agree, I caddie is there to be a sounding board and a bit of a hype man. I think caddies like Steve Williams, or Joe Lacava sometimes get too much credit. Steve didnt swing the club a single time during Tigers run. And Joe didn't help Fred Couples win a single one of the Masters that he was close to winning after three rounds. I don't think being a caddie would be difficult. You just need to do your course homework, and know your players yardages. I think I could caddie for Rory and be just as successful as any other caddie out there.

That being said, the way some pros treat their caddies is just wrong. There still should be some level of respect.

All he really needs is this, and someone to carry the bag..

https://web.skygolf.com/products/SkyCaddie-SX500

I think Rory likes living in "Rory's world". Playing golf, makin like $40MM a year. Doesn't seem to like to rock the boat and just keep a relaxed vibe.

"Best player of his generation." Faint praise indeed. Reminds me of Gary Player. Whenever he was asked about a local course he had just played in an exhibition he answered, ever the diplomat, "It's one of the finest courses of its type I've ever played." He never did say what it's type was.

All kinds of examples of dads, friends, buddies and even significant other performing the duty of being a caddy. I’m not sure why anyone cares whom the player chooses to have carry his/her bags.

> @Cwing said:

> All kinds of examples of dads, friends, buddies and even significant other performing the duty of being a caddy. I’m not sure why anyone cares whom the player chooses to have carry his/her bags.

Exactly.

> @QuigleyDU said:

> > @Pepperturbo said:

> > I don't see the value or need for using a seasoned caddie especially if a pro does his/her own calculations and assessments. But again, if the Pro is lazy or not confident about figuring yardage or reading greens and feels a bit entitled and wants his/her ego stroked whenever, having a seasoned caddie fits.

>

> I agree, I caddie is there to be a sounding board and a bit of a hype man. I think caddies like Steve Williams, or Joe Lacava sometimes get too much credit. Steve didnt swing the club a single time during Tigers run. And Joe didn't help Fred Couples win a single one of the Masters that he was close to winning after three rounds. I don't think being a caddie would be difficult. You just need to do your course homework, and know your players yardages. I think I could caddie for Rory and be just as successful as any other caddie out there.

>

> That being said, the way some pros treat their caddies is just wrong. There still should be some level of respect.

>

> All he really needs is this, and someone to carry the bag..

>

> https://web.skygolf.com/products/SkyCaddie-SX500

Agree with most of what you said. Anyone with reasonable attention to detail could caddie. Not sure knowing the player's yardages helps much though since the Pro often ignores what the Caddy thinks best. Except for Steve Stricker and his caddie wife who gets paid what she wants. There are some dynamics everyone can learn from. lol

As far as treatment is concerned, it's not something I opine about as it is a two-way street. Though the Caddie is the employee, he knows what he'll put up with and what he won't tolerate, just like employees with demanding managers in the corporate world. Playing that dynamic out in social media is nothing more than untested opinion, and wrong. Have a good day, off to the gym.

> @Pepperturbo said:

> > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > @Pepperturbo said:

> > > I don't see the value or need for using a seasoned caddie especially if a pro does his/her own calculations and assessments. But again, if the Pro is lazy or not confident about figuring yardage or reading greens and feels a bit entitled and wants his/her ego stroked whenever, having a seasoned caddie fits.

> >

> > I agree, I caddie is there to be a sounding board and a bit of a hype man. I think caddies like Steve Williams, or Joe Lacava sometimes get too much credit. Steve didnt swing the club a single time during Tigers run. And Joe didn't help Fred Couples win a single one of the Masters that he was close to winning after three rounds. I don't think being a caddie would be difficult. You just need to do your course homework, and know your players yardages. I think I could caddie for Rory and be just as successful as any other caddie out there.

> >

> > That being said, the way some pros treat their caddies is just wrong. There still should be some level of respect.

> >

> > All he really needs is this, and someone to carry the bag..

> >

> > https://web.skygolf.com/products/SkyCaddie-SX500

>

> Agree with most of what you said. Anyone with reasonable attention to detail could caddie. Not sure knowing the player's yardages helps much though since the Pro often ignores what the Caddy thinks best. Except for Steve Stricker and his caddie wife who gets paid what she wants. There are some dynamics everyone can learn from. lol

>

> As far as treatment is concerned, it's not something I opine about as it is a two-way street. Though the Caddie is the employee, he knows what he'll put up with and what he won't tolerate, just like employees with demanding managers in the corporate world. Playing that dynamic out in social media is nothing more than untested opinion, and wrong. Have a good day, off to the gym.

Being demanding is one thing. Being demeaning, or degrading is another. Everyone should work off a certain level of respect. Other than that, hold whatever standard you want, and hope someone can live up to it.

The reason I say knowing yardages is, I think it is part of the gig to make suggestions based on conditions. You can't make good suggestions if you don't know the players stats. It is ultimately the players call, but i don't think you can just tip the top of the bag at them and say "pick your poison".

one thing about Rory I love

He gets asked a question and answers it honestly

OP here...I don't think caddie's make much of a difference, just was posting an article I saw.

But I stand by what I said...things are going well now, but it seems that virtually every player/caddie relationship gets rocky at some point...I wouldn't want to lose my best friend over it...life is too short, and best friends are hard to come by!

Good I hope he wins a major soon. Do it!

He should do like CT Pan, Steve Stricker and various others and have the wife carry the bag.

> @legitimategolf said:

> He should do like CT Pan, Steve Stricker and various others and have the wife carry the bag.

Does Prada make golf bags?

> @QuigleyDU said:

> > @Pepperturbo said:

> > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > @Pepperturbo said:

> > > > I don't see the value or need for using a seasoned caddie especially if a pro does his/her own calculations and assessments. But again, if the Pro is lazy or not confident about figuring yardage or reading greens and feels a bit entitled and wants his/her ego stroked whenever, having a seasoned caddie fits.

> > >

> > > I agree, I caddie is there to be a sounding board and a bit of a hype man. I think caddies like Steve Williams, or Joe Lacava sometimes get too much credit. Steve didnt swing the club a single time during Tigers run. And Joe didn't help Fred Couples win a single one of the Masters that he was close to winning after three rounds. I don't think being a caddie would be difficult. You just need to do your course homework, and know your players yardages. I think I could caddie for Rory and be just as successful as any other caddie out there.

> > >

> > > That being said, the way some pros treat their caddies is just wrong. There still should be some level of respect.

> > >

> > > All he really needs is this, and someone to carry the bag..

> > >

> > > https://web.skygolf.com/products/SkyCaddie-SX500

> >

> > Agree with most of what you said. Anyone with reasonable attention to detail could caddie. Not sure knowing the player's yardages helps much though since the Pro often ignores what the Caddy thinks best. Except for Steve Stricker and his caddie wife who gets paid what she wants. There are some dynamics everyone can learn from. lol

> >

> > As far as treatment is concerned, it's not something I opine about as it is a two-way street. Though the Caddie is the employee, he knows what he'll put up with and what he won't tolerate, just like employees with demanding managers in the corporate world. Playing that dynamic out in social media is nothing more than untested opinion, and wrong. Have a good day, off to the gym.

>

> Being demanding is one thing. Being demeaning, or degrading is another. Everyone should work off a certain level of respect. Other than that, hold whatever standard you want, and hope someone can live up to it.

>

> The reason I say knowing yardages is, I think it is part of the gig to make suggestions based on conditions. You can't make good suggestions if you don't know the players stats. It is ultimately the players call, but i don't think you can just tip the top of the bag at them and say "pick your poison".

If someone is demeaning or degrading an employee, it is NOT the responsibility of people on social media to react as if they were victimized and chastise the culprit on social media..boundaries of involvement exist for mature adults, plus all the facts are not known. It's up to the caddy or employee to determine what is or is not tolerable and work it out. As for club yardages, sure its good a caddy knows and suggests whatever if asked. The problem I see is the caddy has to be with the player for a long time to know the Pro typically has three distances per club and what they are. Knowing those subtleties takes a long time.