Mike Malaska - Getting the club in front of you. Made easy...

[jbw749]

[quote name='TMBob' timestamp='1445353283' post='12482172']
Lost what I had in two weeks after seeing this the first time. It was fun while it lasted.....hope it comes back!

I rarely saw the left side of the course and now that's back.
[/quote]

When Manzella starting teaching this exact same thing in 2010 I hit it great. Then overdid it, learned from it and moved on. It's not necessarily the answer to all your questions, it's more just a way to be able to identify what handle dragging is. I now know the difference between clubhead momentum and pulling the handle.

[Ted Williams]

I guess it's working

[Joe Duffer]

Then along comes Andrew Rice with this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYqoDN9n0G0&feature=em-uploademail

Who are we to believe?

[solarbear88]

[quote name='Joe Duffer' timestamp='1445489075' post='12490674']
Then along comes Andrew Rice with this...

[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYqoDN9n0G0&feature=em-uploademail"]https://www.youtube....=em-uploademail[/url]

Who are we to believe?
[/quote]

I'd believe whichever one saw both immediate and long term progress on my swing.

[Lefthook]

Some move from shallow to steep while other moves from steep to shallow etc. There seems to be room and need for customization in this department. I don't know why one works for some and the opposite works for others though.

I think Iteach is able to explain it. He has been touching upon this subject several times recently and he seems to understand it really well.

[Ghost of Snead]

I'm guessing that if you asked both Rice and Malaska to demonstrate the correct club/hand position at P6, they would both show you approximately the same position. Rice's video seems more aimed at those who start down steep and need to shallow and Malaska's at those who shallow too much and get under plane. Two feels to get to the same place at P6 and ultimately at impact.

[dap]

[quote name='TMBob' timestamp='1445353283' post='12482172']
Lost what I had in two weeks after seeing this the first time. It was fun while it lasted.....hope it comes back!

I rarely saw the left side of the course and now that's back.
[/quote]

You need to alternate between the Malaska drill and the lay it off drill every 2 weeks. After 2 weeks,you really start to stand it up too much and then you need to lay it off to compensate for that. That's just the vicious cycle of golf.

[Dr.John]

[quote name='TMBob' timestamp='1445353283' post='12482172']
Lost what I had in two weeks after seeing this the first time. It was fun while it lasted.....hope it comes back!

I rarely saw the left side of the course and now that's back.
[/quote]
Malaska actually went over this in one of his videos. If you are hitting low hooks then you are leading with the toe in the "stand up" position and not the heel. I was doing this as well until I made an effort to lead with the heel. This made all the difference for me. Hope it helps.

[elcgolf]

I've been working on this move for a few weeks now but am still struggling to get the club working out in the downswing without a mirror. I looked through the thread and haven't seen any, but could someone provide actual drills to do on the range? Thank you

[fore_life]

For the life of me I cannot get my hands to drop BEFORE I start turning my shoulders. Played yesterday, iron game and short game were on point, hit my driver like a total idiot.

[scotee]

[quote name='Dr.John' timestamp='1445523788' post='12491686']
[quote name='TMBob' timestamp='1445353283' post='12482172']
Lost what I had in two weeks after seeing this the first time. It was fun while it lasted.....hope it comes back!

I rarely saw the left side of the course and now that's back.
[/quote]
Malaska actually went over this in one of his videos. If you are hitting low hooks then you are leading with the toe in the "stand up" position and not the heel. I was doing this as well until I made an effort to lead with the heel. This made all the difference for me. Hope it helps.
[/quote]

That leading with the heel escapes me. With a strongish grip any standing up of the club or "tumble" feels like a steepening move that also closes the face.

[Slothead]

[quote name='scotee' timestamp='1445533533' post='12492442']
[quote name='Dr.John' timestamp='1445523788' post='12491686']
[quote name='TMBob' timestamp='1445353283' post='12482172']
Lost what I had in two weeks after seeing this the first time. It was fun while it lasted.....hope it comes back!

I rarely saw the left side of the course and now that's back.
[/quote]
Malaska actually went over this in one of his videos. If you are hitting low hooks then you are leading with the toe in the "stand up" position and not the heel. I was doing this as well until I made an effort to lead with the heel. This made all the difference for me. Hope it helps.
[/quote]

That leading with the heel escapes me. With a strongish grip any standing up of the club or "tumble" feels like a steepening move that also closes the face.
[/quote]

what he's getting at is not that much different than other ways of moving....the club is lead by the heel of the trail hand instead of throwing the fingers in front of the heel. if it's a toe lead the overtake is a problem that can't be resolved as the club gets in front of the hands in error.

[BdaGolfer]

I thought he was referring to the heel of the club, not the hand. Combine that with his visual of putting the club head in your hand to see face angle and it makes more sense.

[Slothead]

the club face and trail hand are close friends for both application and sensation- from Mr. Jackie Burke Jr.
[media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2alQrVFYxss[/media]

[Hot Rod 71]

[quote name='Ghost of Snead' timestamp='1445518098' post='12491362']
I'm guessing that if you asked both Rice and Malaska to demonstrate the correct club/hand position at P6, they would both show you approximately the same position. [b]Rice's video seems more aimed at those who start down steep and need to shallow and Malaska's at those who shallow too much and get under plane.[/b] Two feels to get to the same place at P6 and ultimately at impact.
[/quote]

My thoughts exactly; these two videos are aimed at two completely different swing plane issues.

[TMBob]

[quote name='Dr.John' timestamp='1445523788' post='12491686']
[quote name='TMBob' timestamp='1445353283' post='12482172']
Lost what I had in two weeks after seeing this the first time. It was fun while it lasted.....hope it comes back!

I rarely saw the left side of the course and now that's back.
[/quote]
Malaska actually went over this in one of his videos. If you are hitting low hooks then you are leading with the toe in the "stand up" position and not the heel. I was doing this as well until I made an effort to lead with the heel. This made all the difference for me. Hope it helps.
[/quote]

I did see that video Doc.....low hooks was not the issue......I lost the crispness of the strike (true compression) the dollar bill divots, the slight fade, and most of all, the feeling and how effortless I felt. Pretty sure my right hip started to jump out at the ball to much and loss of spine angle cause me to loose it. Humping the goat comes back to me quite often.

[tjumper78]

no sound at work but still watched the video.
from the looks of it, it's the swing method that a good friend of mine who recently started giving lessons at the local range (played in mini tours about 15 years ago) preaches.
it felt very awkward at first but it helped me a lot since my swing flaw was my right shoulder dropping down and i couldnt get the ball up in the air and hooking everything.

[mattjud]

I really like this.. I swing from the inside too much.

[Kscarguy]

I continue to look at his videos and worked on the video he takes about syncing your hands. I really like the L drill and has helped me to get the butt of the club pivot over. Thanks again OP. The best lesson in golf I ever had and it was free

[Hoganstriker]

Best free vid I've ever seen. Finally stopped laying it off mid ds. You don't need to overdo it just need a small version.

[Dave D]

Apologies if this has been posted in 1 of the 19 pages but this is just gold

http://youtu.be/muKtOPfNIbg

[johnrobison]

[quote name=' Dave D' timestamp='1445899969' post='12510114']
Apologies if this has been posted in 1 of the 19 pages but this is just gold

[media=]http://youtu.be/muKtOPfNIbg[/media]
[/quote]

Why would the club head "want to swing down in the opposite direction"? Isn't the additional "weight" of the club, simply the effect of centrifugal force and therefore, in a direction perpendicular to the inertial path? The way that he's explaining the physics just doesn't make sense to me.

[skraly]

[quote name='johnrobison' timestamp='1445917702' post='12511570']
[quote name=' Dave D' timestamp='1445899969' post='12510114']
Apologies if this has been posted in 1 of the 19 pages but this is just gold

[media=]http://youtu.be/muKtOPfNIbg[/media]
[/quote]

Why would the club head "want to swing down in the opposite direction"? Isn't the additional "weight" of the club, simply the effect of centrifugal force and therefore, in a direction perpendicular to the inertial path? The way that he's explaining the physics just doesn't make sense to me.
[/quote]
It might help to try and think in terms of vector forces. The clubhead does not move independantly and is affected by more than simple centripetal forces that can be applied to free moving bodies.

[Millbrook]

JR, the club wants to return to vertical throughout the swing.

This Pete Cowan video might help;

[media]http://youtu.be/_2cqErl2HpE[/media]

[johnrobison]

[quote name='Millbrook' timestamp='1445935547' post='12511950']
JR, the club wants to return to vertical throughout the swing.

This Pete Cowan video might help;

[media]http://youtu.be/_2cqErl2HpE[/media]
[/quote]

Thanks. I understand the vertical force of gravity acting on the club but I'm not understanding how it can equate to 5 lb of additional weight. Weight is just the mass of the club (less than 1 lb) being pulled by gravitational force. That's vertical. Anything in addition to that is produced by the movement and what we have to counteract with centripetal force which *should* be (from how I understand physics) perpendicular to the inertial path - not the ground. I only had to take one physics course and my background is architecture where things (hopefully!) are sitting still for the most part, so I'm not seeing where this 5 lb of downward force is coming from.

[joshsparham]

[quote name='Dr.John' timestamp='1445523788' post='12491686']
[quote name='TMBob' timestamp='1445353283' post='12482172']
Lost what I had in two weeks after seeing this the first time. It was fun while it lasted.....hope it comes back!

I rarely saw the left side of the course and now that's back.
[/quote]
Malaska actually went over this in one of his videos. If you are hitting low hooks then you are leading with the toe in the "stand up" position and not the heel. I was doing this as well until I made an effort to lead with the heel. This made all the difference for me. Hope it helps.
[/quote]
[quote name='Dr.John' timestamp='1445523788' post='12491686']
[quote name='TMBob' timestamp='1445353283' post='12482172']
Lost what I had in two weeks after seeing this the first time. It was fun while it lasted.....hope it comes back!

I rarely saw the left side of the course and now that's back.
[/quote]
Malaska actually went over this in one of his videos. If you are hitting low hooks then you are leading with the toe in the "stand up" position and not the heel. I was doing this as well until I made an effort to lead with the heel. This made all the difference for me. Hope it helps.
[/quote]

Which video is this? My miss with the long clubs is a low hook

[Dave D]

[quote name='joshsparham' timestamp='1445956191' post='12512728']
[quote name='Dr.John' timestamp='1445523788' post='12491686']
[quote name='TMBob' timestamp='1445353283' post='12482172']
Lost what I had in two weeks after seeing this the first time. It was fun while it lasted.....hope it comes back!

I rarely saw the left side of the course and now that's back.
[/quote]
Malaska actually went over this in one of his videos. If you are hitting low hooks then you are leading with the toe in the "stand up" position and not the heel. I was doing this as well until I made an effort to lead with the heel. This made all the difference for me. Hope it helps.
[/quote]
[quote name='Dr.John' timestamp='1445523788' post='12491686']
[quote name='TMBob' timestamp='1445353283' post='12482172']
Lost what I had in two weeks after seeing this the first time. It was fun while it lasted.....hope it comes back!

I rarely saw the left side of the course and now that's back.
[/quote]
Malaska actually went over this in one of his videos. If you are hitting low hooks then you are leading with the toe in the "stand up" position and not the heel. I was doing this as well until I made an effort to lead with the heel. This made all the difference for me. Hope it helps.
[/quote]

Which video is this? My miss with the long clubs is a low hook
[/quote]
you need to lead with the heel more when the club works out.

[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6sMrQuIK80"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6sMrQuIK80[/url]

[mikah]

[quote name='johnrobison' timestamp='1445952414' post='12512478']
[quote name='Millbrook' timestamp='1445935547' post='12511950']
JR, the club wants to return to vertical throughout the swing.

This Pete Cowan video might help;

[media]http://youtu.be/_2cqErl2HpE[/media]
[/quote]

Thanks. I understand the vertical force of gravity acting on the club but I'm not understanding how it can equate to 5 lb of additional weight. Weight is just the mass of the club (less than 1 lb) being pulled by gravitational force. That's vertical. Anything in addition to that is produced by the movement and what we have to counteract with centripetal force which *should* be (from how I understand physics) perpendicular to the inertial path - not the ground. I only had to take one physics course and my background is architecture where things (hopefully!) are sitting still for the most part, so I'm not seeing where this 5 lb of downward force is coming from.
[/quote]

Golf instructors demonstrate this in slow motion, when centripedal force, angular velocity =zero
"see how heavy the 16 oz clubhead is.. NOW"

Gravity trumps CP force in slow motion.

[joshsparham]

Yeah I can't get the feel for heel leading the toe with the other moves he describes....he says when the toe leads the heel it is from the right hand not working properly...but what does he mean? When I do the moves he talks about the face goes dead shut

[Grayback1973]

What I don't understand is how MM thinks that the "natural" tendency is for the clubhead to fall behind a players back.That is definitely not the case for a lot of mid to high cappers.