Rory Mcilroy to sign with Callaway in 2017

[The Mad Bomber]

Of the next 100 responses who will buy a callaway product based only on Rory . I'll start NO

 

This a joke right? The people buying the bulk of the equipment aren't here on GolfWRX. We're such a minuscule percentage of the market it's a joke. When I go into Golf Town these days there's always guys in the sim, wailing away at the Epic like they're trying to kill a snake that has the plague, hitting shafts they have NO business hitting. That market still exists and I'd bet that it's the bread and butter of annual sales for most major OEM's. Those golfers are not a stereotype, they're real and it's sad. But I have to believe those guys saw it on TV, read the marketing garbage and went to the golf store to buy a game.

 

Here, we scrutinize equipment, bring the flaws to light, pour over LM numbers, debate the merits of what each new club promises - we actually put thought into equipment and generally don't get as influenced by who's playing what as the bread and butter public do. But make no mistake, the marketing is important to the OEM's. You think people bought the early Nike irons because they actually thought they were good clubs? HA, HA and HA sir...that's laughable. Rory would bolster sales for Callaway, make no mistake.

 

How would you explain the large number of guys making pre-orders of clubs they have never hit? If you go through the Equipment and Pre-Release forums this is not uncommon.

 

I don't understand your point. I quoted a post trying to explain that professional endorsements do help sales. My proof would be that if they didn't, this type of endorsement contract model would have been abandoned long ago. Yes, guys pre-order equipment on here. It's mostly tour level gear that we've already had a peak at on the conforming list. It's pretty rare that an OEM releases equipment that's geared for the tour that doesn't perform, and that's reflected in the pre-orders.

[Bad9]

Of the next 100 responses who will buy a callaway product based only on Rory . I'll start NO

 

This a joke right? The people buying the bulk of the equipment aren't here on GolfWRX. We're such a minuscule percentage of the market it's a joke. When I go into Golf Town these days there's always guys in the sim, wailing away at the Epic like they're trying to kill a snake that has the plague, hitting shafts they have NO business hitting. That market still exists and I'd bet that it's the bread and butter of annual sales for most major OEM's. Those golfers are not a stereotype, they're real and it's sad. But I have to believe those guys saw it on TV, read the marketing garbage and went to the golf store to buy a game.

 

Here, we scrutinize equipment, bring the flaws to light, pour over LM numbers, debate the merits of what each new club promises - we actually put thought into equipment and generally don't get as influenced by who's playing what as the bread and butter public do. But make no mistake, the marketing is important to the OEM's. You think people bought the early Nike irons because they actually thought they were good clubs? HA, HA and HA sir...that's laughable. Rory would bolster sales for Callaway, make no mistake.

 

How would you explain the large number of guys making pre-orders of clubs they have never hit? If you go through the Equipment and Pre-Release forums this is not uncommon.

 

I don't understand your point. I quoted a post trying to explain that professional endorsements do help sales. My proof would be that if they didn't, this type of endorsement contract model would have been abandoned long ago. Yes, guys pre-order equipment on here. It's mostly tour level gear that we've already had a peak at on the conforming list. It's pretty rare that an OEM releases equipment that's geared for the tour that doesn't perform, and that's reflected in the pre-orders.

 

I was commenting on your statement that Wrx members are much more discerning consumers. Many may be but many are as prone to OEM hype and marketing as non Wrx golf consumers. I see more interest in pre-order, rumours, etc here than in the golfing population at large.

[The Mad Bomber]

 

I was commenting on your statement that Wrx members are much more discerning consumers. Many may be but many are as prone to OEM hype and marketing as non Wrx golf consumers. I see more interest in pre-order, rumours, etc here than in the golfing population at large.

 

I see what you're saying. I think that when most guys have a "go-to" brand, or they just have money to burn, they'll pre order, somewhat knowing what to expect. I agree that's it's still a crap shoot but WRX'ers are more likely to know what they're getting into than your average weekend warrior walking in off the street. I also feel that a lot of us will see through bogus LM numbers in the pre-release testing and will be looking at the club in review video's and such before it's release. I shouldn't be defending the "pre-order blind" guys, but I kind of am. I just don't believe those pre-orders from guys here are driven as much by "who plays what" is all.

[fredstar]

After a lengthy discussion with a reliable source I was informed that Rory Mcilroy will sign with Callaway Golf this season. This should not be a surprise as the only thing not Callaway in his bag are his wedges and golf ball which are Titliest. My source advise that Mcilroy had a great interest in Taylormade but they could not agree on contract terms. I was curious why Mcilroy had not signed to Callaway and I was advised that Mcilroy wanted 10 Million dollars a year for 5 years. Callaway and Mcilroy's agency could not agree on terms and the agreement is that Mcilroy will play the equipment and they will go back to the table after a few tournaments. I think Callaway should agree with the terms now because if Mcilroy wins the Masters or any majors unsigned his stock is going to get higher and he will ask for more money when they go back to negotiate.

 

This doesn't need to be said, but this is simply not true. Rory will not be signing a deal in 2017.

 

Out of anyone here I would take the word of @nolayingup. He knows the man himself.

 

I wouldn't take anyone's word. It's all speculation... did anyone expect Rory to come out with Taylormade equipment for a tournament, then turn on a dime and have almost a full Callaway bag? No...

 

The point is, the guy is going to do whatever he wants, regardless of what he's "telling people". If a company is going to pay him enough money, he will sign. Hell, if Mizuno approached him tomorrow and said, "We'll pay you $20M a year for 5 years if you play a full bag of our equipment." He would do it, it's $20,000,000 a year people!

 

The main goal is to win more tournaments. The more tournaments he wins, the more valuable his stock becomes. Eventually a company and him will come to terms for a lucrative deal and he won't turn it down. It could happen tomorrow, it could happen a year from now. But if Callaway, Titleist, Mizuno, Taylormade, PXG, etc. approach him with a dollar-figure that's too high for him to turn down, he's going to take it regardless of what anyone on this site thinks.

 

And you just added more speculation of your own.

[Konklifer]

After a lengthy discussion with a reliable source I was informed that Rory Mcilroy will sign with Callaway Golf this season. This should not be a surprise as the only thing not Callaway in his bag are his wedges and golf ball which are Titliest. My source advise that Mcilroy had a great interest in Taylormade but they could not agree on contract terms. I was curious why Mcilroy had not signed to Callaway and I was advised that Mcilroy wanted 10 Million dollars a year for 5 years. Callaway and Mcilroy's agency could not agree on terms and the agreement is that Mcilroy will play the equipment and they will go back to the table after a few tournaments. I think Callaway should agree with the terms now because if Mcilroy wins the Masters or any majors unsigned his stock is going to get higher and he will ask for more money when they go back to negotiate.

 

Your source knows nothing, lovedoctor.

[lovedoctor]

After a lengthy discussion with a reliable source I was informed that Rory Mcilroy will sign with Callaway Golf this season. This should not be a surprise as the only thing not Callaway in his bag are his wedges and golf ball which are Titliest. My source advise that Mcilroy had a great interest in Taylormade but they could not agree on contract terms. I was curious why Mcilroy had not signed to Callaway and I was advised that Mcilroy wanted 10 Million dollars a year for 5 years. Callaway and Mcilroy's agency could not agree on terms and the agreement is that Mcilroy will play the equipment and they will go back to the table after a few tournaments. I think Callaway should agree with the terms now because if Mcilroy wins the Masters or any majors unsigned his stock is going to get higher and he will ask for more money when they go back to negotiate.

 

Your source knows nothing, lovedoctor.

We will see. The season is young let us wait in suspicion

[the bishop]

After a lengthy discussion with a reliable source I was informed that Rory Mcilroy will sign with Callaway Golf this season. This should not be a surprise as the only thing not Callaway in his bag are his wedges and golf ball which are Titliest. My source advise that Mcilroy had a great interest in Taylormade but they could not agree on contract terms. I was curious why Mcilroy had not signed to Callaway and I was advised that Mcilroy wanted 10 Million dollars a year for 5 years. Callaway and Mcilroy's agency could not agree on terms and the agreement is that Mcilroy will play the equipment and they will go back to the table after a few tournaments. I think Callaway should agree with the terms now because if Mcilroy wins the Masters or any majors unsigned his stock is going to get higher and he will ask for more money when they go back to negotiate.

 

Your source knows nothing, lovedoctor.

We will see. The season is young let us wait in suspicion

Wait in suspicion? I'll weight in suspense.

[lovedoctor]

After a lengthy discussion with a reliable source I was informed that Rory Mcilroy will sign with Callaway Golf this season. This should not be a surprise as the only thing not Callaway in his bag are his wedges and golf ball which are Titliest. My source advise that Mcilroy had a great interest in Taylormade but they could not agree on contract terms. I was curious why Mcilroy had not signed to Callaway and I was advised that Mcilroy wanted 10 Million dollars a year for 5 years. Callaway and Mcilroy's agency could not agree on terms and the agreement is that Mcilroy will play the equipment and they will go back to the table after a few tournaments. I think Callaway should agree with the terms now because if Mcilroy wins the Masters or any majors unsigned his stock is going to get higher and he will ask for more money when they go back to negotiate.

 

Your source knows nothing, lovedoctor.

We will see. The season is young let us wait in suspicion

Wait in suspicion? I'll weight in suspense.

you meant wait in suspence?

[anth]

Um no...

[jll62]

After a lengthy discussion with a reliable source I was informed that Rory Mcilroy will sign with Callaway Golf this season. This should not be a surprise as the only thing not Callaway in his bag are his wedges and golf ball which are Titliest. My source advise that Mcilroy had a great interest in Taylormade but they could not agree on contract terms. I was curious why Mcilroy had not signed to Callaway and I was advised that Mcilroy wanted 10 Million dollars a year for 5 years. Callaway and Mcilroy's agency could not agree on terms and the agreement is that Mcilroy will play the equipment and they will go back to the table after a few tournaments. I think Callaway should agree with the terms now because if Mcilroy wins the Masters or any majors unsigned his stock is going to get higher and he will ask for more money when they go back to negotiate.

 

This doesn't need to be said, but this is simply not true. Rory will not be signing a deal in 2017.

When Mcilroy signs with Callaway, what will be your rebuttal? " I cannot believe this happened, who is the lovedoctor source? Stay tuned

 

You do realize that you're arguing with the guy who Rory used to break the story on his 2017 equipment, right? The same guy who has had Rory on his podcast not once, but twice? The same guy who just today caused the White House to backtrack on a statement after Rory gave him information about a round played with Trump? NLU is practically on the payroll at this point. LOL

 

In a world filled with anonymous sources, I'll think I'll go with the guy who actually has access to first-hand information. Rory certainly reserves the right to change his mind, but if Soly has come out and said Rory isn't signing with anyone in 2017, he's saying it because Rory himself has told him that.

[lovedoctor]

At this point it does not matter what NLU is stating as he wants to detract from what really is going to happen. Why would he even respond and simply say it is not true. There is a reason for it and Mcilroy is going to sign with Callaway. Driver, fairway woods,MB irons and Odyssey putter? Really guys? A high profile player decides to add equipment in his bag for free? NLU can distort the facts however he wants but the facts is Mcilroy will sign with Callaway guaranteed.

[flog2]

Hope he does go with Callaway.

 

I see Callaway now as Titleist was in it's hayday.

 

If they are waiting on a few tournaments thats a wise (gamble) move as Rory might have more injuries this year, if not it costs them more (maybe) but at least he'll be in the limelight as a Callaway Staffer.

[compton1977]

When is his contract with Nike up? The big pull for Callaway would be using him in ad campaigns but unless he signs with them they can't. If he is getting his full contract value paid up by Nike then why sign and lock yourself into a contract when you are can be open to using other future tech from other manufacturers and still get the full value from the Nike contract at the same time. In other words, signing for Cally would be worth more to them than to him

[egr2teup]

lovedoctor and No Laying Up -- will their internet duel become legend?

[Morety]

Hopefully lovedoctor finds a way to tie in his hot takes on PXG into this thread :nono:

[lovedoctor]

Callaway unlike taylormade post positive sales numbers in 2016 , 27 million better than 2015. When your company is turning profit, what better to excite your shareholders by signing one of the hottest free agents when it comes to a club endorsement like Mcilroy. Nike is paying him between 15-20 million a year and chose to stop making golf equipment depite gross sales of 706 million in 2015 but they were in the red. Mcilroy is young and has a business mind and that is to make as much money as he can and that is what he will do. Phil Mickelson earns 10 million a year in endorsements from Callaway and as I said prior but he is an aging stallion. Every thoroughbred has to be retired sometime and Phil yes is a stallion but Mcilroy is a vigorous colt, full of testosterone and will be the face of Callaway for the next ten years or more! Mcilroy to Callaway 100% and NLU maybe an insider, but he does not dictate or influence in any form or fashion how Mcilroy runs his business empire. Members let us wait and see who will be right on Mcilroy. Will it be the lovedoctor, or will it be NLU? We will have to wait and see.

[QMany]

:taunt:

[compton1977]

Lovedoctor, so you think that Rory will sign a deal with Callaway for an 8 digit amount per annum for 10 years? So all he would be doing is subtracting that figure off of his Nike contract and making no more money for the remaining duration of his Nike deal? The only one winning in that scenario is Callaway and Nike! Callaway get to use his image rights in advertising, Nike gets to pay him less and what about Rory? Erm, nothing gained apart from a few more air miles from having to film marketing shoots/go to brand ambassador events etc. The only way he gains is if Cally offer him more than Nike are paying at present which would be the only way he financially gains unless there are favourable stock options presented to him. This is a serious question, have you read about the contractual obligations of all

Ex-Nike staff?

[the bishop]

When is his contract with Nike up? The big pull for Callaway would be using him in ad campaigns but unless he signs with them they can't. If he is getting his full contract value paid up by Nike then why sign and lock yourself into a contract when you are can be open to using other future tech from other manufacturers and still get the full value from the Nike contract at the same time. In other words, signing for Cally would be worth more to them than to him

you can't come in here talking sense like that! the h*ll is wrong with you? lovedoctor probably had to breathe into a paper bag for a few minutes after reading that.

[lovedoctor]

I am speechless! Nike made a decision to stop making clubs, they are still under contract with Mcilroy and they will have to pay him unless they were to renegotiate a buy out which would not happen. He is getting 15-20 million a year, HELLO!!! That is why he left titliest! If Callaway is offering him 10 million a year on top of his Nike contract is that not business minded? Mcilroy is all business and Nike is in a binding agreement and will pay up.

[anth]

Wait, so Lovedoctor is saying that Mcilroy will sign with Callaway? A brand that he is already playing?

 

Wow! Way to go out on a limb.

 

Also, NLU didn't say he wouldn't sign with Callaway, just that he wouldn't sign this year. Big difference.

 

 

[anth]

I am speechless! Nike made a decision to stop making clubs, they are still under contract with Mcilroy and they will have to pay him unless they were to renegotiate a buy out which would not happen. He is getting 15-20 million a year, HELLO!!! That is why he left titliest! If Callaway is offering him 10 million a year on top of his Nike contract is that not business minded? Mcilroy is all business and Nike is in a binding agreement and will pay up.

 

LOL. Did you miss the bit where anything he makes with another manufacturer comes off his NIKE contract?

[lovedoctor]

Outrageous and beyond ridiculous, please stop the nonsense not going to happen. The initiation was made by Nike to stop manufacturing and do your research as they absorbed the loss and wrote it off there books. Nike makes money in golf apparel and gross sales of 5 billion a year for the entire Nike company they can do that. So if you think Mcilroy will lose money you are completely out of your mind.

[lovedoctor]

Let us go back to a few months after nike made the announcement. Did not Mcilroy state that he was very comfortable with his clubs and he was not going to make a change and he had enough Nike balls to last him through the season? What happened? He started the HSBC with TM woods and now he is playing Callaway irons, putter and woods. Did NLU convinced this forum that Mcilroy will play Nike equipment in 2017 as he had stated? Mcilroy probably is the most marketable golfer right now and the people around him knows that. (MANY OF YOU WILL DISAGREE) If there is money to be made why not take advantage. Mcilroy will take advantage of Nike's exit. Season is young and I cannot wait to prove NLU WRONG.

[shanempowell]

Could Rory make this decision? Sure, there could be many reasons he would decide to do so. Getting $10m on top of his Nike money isn't one of them. As others have pointed out that any money he collects from another club manufacturer will be offset against his Nike money.

 

Nike made the choice to stop producing clubs and balls, but it is Rory's choice to either A) not enter into endoresements that conflict with his Nike deal and continue to cash their checks or B) seek deals elsewhere and sleep soundly knowing he's not losing any money for the term of his Nike deal because they'll be obligated to make up the difference due to what we are assuming is a breach of their agreement by ceasing production of hard goods.

 

As one poster commented Nike has a lot of money, which also means a lot of money for lawyers to fight for millions in savings if Rory goes elsewhere.

 

There would need to be some unusual contract provisions for it to be otherwise.

[lovedoctor]

Guys if Rory signs an endorsement with Callaway there is no offset of anything that is folly. Mcilroy will violate his contract if he was wear another company apparel, shoes, glove or hat that's it. The contract is binding. Do you really believe Tiger Woods is taking a cut from Nike because he signed with Bridgestone and TM. It is not happening. There is no breach. This is lowering my intelligence at an alarming pace

[HeadCase1]

Ol' boy's just running wild out here. Probably goes to half-mast every time he looks and sees that he sparked 3 pages with his unsubstantiated bull. Such a thinly veiled troll. We need to institute a general embargo on engaging him, he feasts on attention lol

[Stall]

Season is young and I cannot wait to prove NLU WRONG.

 

This internet sure is serious business......

[egr2teup]

If Rory was gonna sign with Calloway, why hasn't he done so already?

[Vindog]

Callaway is getting free press already, in the age of social media where nothing is secret. Everyone knows that he has chosen Callaway (for now) without even getting paid.