Tiger and the modern game

[Stall]

Dead horse.

 

How would MJ do on the NBA today?

 

Who cares?

 

He's the GOAT. Until somebody dominates like he did, he will be.

 

I'm far from a tiger hater, but how can he be the GOAT until he get's more majors than Jack?

 

Just sayin.....

[Vindog]

Dead horse.

 

How would MJ do on the NBA today?

 

Who cares?

 

He's the GOAT. Until somebody dominates like he did, he will be.

 

I'm far from a tiger hater, but how can he be the GOAT until he get's more majors than Jack?

 

Just sayin.....

 

My guess would be that there is more to judge a career by than Major Championships, and rightly so.

[Man_O_War]

Dead horse.

 

How would MJ do on the NBA today?

 

Who cares?

 

He's the GOAT. Until somebody dominates like he did, he will be.

 

I'm far from a tiger hater, but how can he be the GOAT until he get's more majors than Jack?

 

Just sayin.....

 

My guess would be that there is more to judge a career by than Major Championships, and rightly so.

 

exactly. There is always going to be a debate no matter which way you lean. Seems obvious to some that Jack with 18 majors seals the deal but to others, it's Tiger. WGCs, Tiger Slam, wins per season..multiple seasons...winning %. hard to argue really, but that's what arguments are for and man has been doing this since the post dinosaur era..do we run if we see a sabre tooth tiger? or s*** in our pants first, then run

[Dave230]

Tiger won as much as he did for 2 main reasons

 

1) he was tougher mentally than everyone else

2) he worked harder than everyone else.

 

Those two qualities will translate into any era, against any opponent.

 

Not a Tiger lover, but damn. Sorry OP

 

Those two qualities are possessed by most of the great players as well. When saying x player wouldn't do well in y era, things like equipment shouldn't matter that much because if you're putting in that much practice, you adapt to the clubs. And putting the player in the era means they grew up with the clubs, so I never get that argument. Also golf is also you against the course at a basic level, there are no physical duels so if Tiger is shooting 67 average for the season, then that translates well to short or long, poorly kept or pristine, inferior or superior equipment.

[mosesgolf]

In 2012?

 

Having grown up with 460cc and graphite?

 

And a 120mph + swing speed?

 

And his long iron, short game, and putting?

 

And his closing ratio?

 

Fish in a barrel ; )

 

Agree and I think he was pushing 130mph with 43" steel.

 

I wasnt thinking it was that high.

 

But watching this, maybe close (125+?) on certain occassions.

 

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Yes Tiger definitely had some power. Sad to see his current swing by comparison.

[ClintDagger]

Today's young guns probably are mentally tougher than the guys Tiger played against from '97-'08 and he probably would have won less than 14 in 11 years against this group. But remember that he created these guys. In some ways the very best of today are Tiger's legacy. So if Tiger comes along 20 years later many of the studs of today might not even be playing golf as a profession. So it's impossible to say what his success rate would be.

[BillyZ2]

Maybe 5 majors, 25 wins total.

[Shilgy]

So let me get this right.....

 

Some people think he'd have the same number of wins/majors in 4 years as 20 years?

 

The Sons of Earl are out in force!

See post # 9. And do the math-it's 5 years. 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016

[bscinstnct]

Maybe 5 majors, 25 wins total.

 

And that's if he got lucky ; )

 

[BillyZ2]

The thing is that all the players are equal to Tiger's fitness level today, where they weren't when he originally came onto the scene. Maybe he'd just be an average golfer. The more I think about it, he'd just be average.

[cdnglf]

The thing is that all the players are equal to Tiger's fitness level today, where they weren't when he originally came onto the scene. Maybe he'd just be an average golfer. The more I think about it, he'd just be average.

 

[jeepman]

First and foremost, there is no way to answer this question and win. He was incredibly dominate, of that there is no question. Would he have been just as dominate in today's game? I think one easy way to try to quantify it is looking at the adjusted scoring average versus everyone else. The Big Cat has 8 of the 10 lowest years in history for scoring average. I think that makes it pretty damn simple. By comparison, Speith's mega dominate 2015 campaign at 68.91 doesn't even rank in the top 10.

1. 67.79 - Tiger Woods, 2000
   
2. 67.79 - Tiger Woods, 2007
   
3. 68.05 - Tiger Woods, 2009
   
4. 68.41 - Tiger Woods, 2003
   
5. 68.43 - Tiger Woods, 1999
   
6. 68.56 - Tiger Woods, 2002
   
7. 68.65 - Vijay Singh, 2003
   
8. 68.66 - Tiger Woods, 2005
   
9. 68.81 - Greg Norman, 1994
   
10. 68.81 - Tiger Woods, 2001
    

Add all the thoughts and feelings you want to but at the end of the day I'm going to go to the numbers to make the comparison. And those scores with with him using "inferior equipment"!

[BillyZ2]

The thing is that all the players are equal to Tiger's fitness level today, where they weren't when he originally came onto the scene. Maybe he'd just be an average golfer. The more I think about it, he'd just be average.

 

You'll always have rare cases you included. I notice you didn't include photos of dj, rickie, rory, etc.

[cdnglf]

First and foremost, there is no way to answer this question and win. He was incredibly dominate, of that there is no question. Would he have been just as dominate in today's game? I think one easy way to try to quantify it is looking at the adjusted scoring average versus everyone else. The Big Cat has 8 of the 10 lowest years in history for scoring average. I think that makes it pretty damn simple. By comparison, Speith's mega dominate 2015 campaign at 68.91 doesn't even rank in the top 10.

1. 67.79 - Tiger Woods, 2000
   
2. 67.79 - Tiger Woods, 2007
   
3. 68.05 - Tiger Woods, 2009
   
4. 68.41 - Tiger Woods, 2003
   
5. 68.43 - Tiger Woods, 1999
   
6. 68.56 - Tiger Woods, 2002
   
7. 68.65 - Vijay Singh, 2003
   
8. 68.66 - Tiger Woods, 2005
   
9. 68.81 - Greg Norman, 1994
   
10. 68.81 - Tiger Woods, 2001
    

Add all the thoughts and feelings you want to but at the end of the day I'm going to go to the numbers to make the comparison. And those scores with with him using "inferior equipment"!

 

dominant

:)

[bscinstnct]

Maybe 5 majors, 25 wins total.

 

 

 

Just curious, and let's see how objective you are.

 

How many career Majors and Wins would Jack have if he went pro in 2012?

 

You cut TWs totals by more than 2/3.

 

So, do you think Jack would have 5 Majors and 24 PGA tour wins?

[mosesgolf]

First and foremost, there is no way to answer this question and win. He was incredibly dominate, of that there is no question. Would he have been just as dominate in today's game? I think one easy way to try to quantify it is looking at the adjusted scoring average versus everyone else. The Big Cat has 8 of the 10 lowest years in history for scoring average. I think that makes it pretty damn simple. By comparison, Speith's mega dominate 2015 campaign at 68.91 doesn't even rank in the top 10.

1. 67.79 - Tiger Woods, 2000
   
2. 67.79 - Tiger Woods, 2007
   
3. 68.05 - Tiger Woods, 2009
   
4. 68.41 - Tiger Woods, 2003
   
5. 68.43 - Tiger Woods, 1999
   
6. 68.56 - Tiger Woods, 2002
   
7. 68.65 - Vijay Singh, 2003
   
8. 68.66 - Tiger Woods, 2005
   
9. 68.81 - Greg Norman, 1994
   
10. 68.81 - Tiger Woods, 2001
    

Add all the thoughts and feelings you want to but at the end of the day I'm going to go to the numbers to make the comparison. And those scores with with him using "inferior equipment"!

 

Anyone have the top scoring average from 2013-2016?

Those numbers are incredible and is a testament to how great he was.

[deadsolid...shank]

Maybe 5 majors, 25 wins total.

 

 

 

Just curious, and let's see how objective you are.

 

How many career Majors and Wins would Jack have if he went pro in 2012?

 

You cut TWs totals by more than 2/3.

 

So, do you think Jack would have 5 Majors and 24 PGA tour wins?

 

Wouldn't it have been cool to have them at the same time. I wonder if someone like Tiger could have spurred Jack on a little more. Because even though Teevino and Watson got to him on occasion, he was still the best. Someone like Tiger maybe provides a little extra incentive?

[jeepman]

First and foremost, there is no way to answer this question and win. He was incredibly dominate, of that there is no question. Would he have been just as dominate in today's game? I think one easy way to try to quantify it is looking at the adjusted scoring average versus everyone else. The Big Cat has 8 of the 10 lowest years in history for scoring average. I think that makes it pretty damn simple. By comparison, Speith's mega dominate 2015 campaign at 68.91 doesn't even rank in the top 10.

1. 67.79 - Tiger Woods, 2000
   
2. 67.79 - Tiger Woods, 2007
   
3. 68.05 - Tiger Woods, 2009
   
4. 68.41 - Tiger Woods, 2003
   
5. 68.43 - Tiger Woods, 1999
   
6. 68.56 - Tiger Woods, 2002
   
7. 68.65 - Vijay Singh, 2003
   
8. 68.66 - Tiger Woods, 2005
   
9. 68.81 - Greg Norman, 1994
   
10. 68.81 - Tiger Woods, 2001
    

Add all the thoughts and feelings you want to but at the end of the day I'm going to go to the numbers to make the comparison. And those scores with with him using "inferior equipment"!

 

Anyone have the top scoring average from 2013-2016?

Those numbers are incredible and is a testament to how great he was.

 

 

 

Below is the list back to 1996.....

 

[BillyZ2]

Maybe 5 majors, 25 wins total.

 

 

 

Just curious, and let's see how objective you are.

 

How many career Majors and Wins would Jack have if he went pro in 2012?

 

You cut TWs totals by more than 2/3.

 

So, do you think Jack would have 5 Majors and 24 PGA tour wins?

Jack would have probably had 21 majors, the way I calculated, and tiger would probably have 11 majors. Jack is the greatest of all time and I think he would beat tiger hands down Head to Head 75% of the time.

[cdnglf]

Maybe 5 majors, 25 wins total.

 

 

 

Just curious, and let's see how objective you are.

 

How many career Majors and Wins would Jack have if he went pro in 2012?

 

You cut TWs totals by more than 2/3.

 

So, do you think Jack would have 5 Majors and 24 PGA tour wins?

Jack would have probably had 21 majors, the way I calculated, and tiger would probably have 11 majors. Jack is the greatest of all time and I think he would beat tiger hands down Head to Head 75% of the time.

 

[gvogel]

I think that if Payne Stewart had not died in the plane accident that Tiger might have two fewer majors.

[Disco Dave]

In 2012?

 

Having grown up with 460cc and graphite?

 

And a 120mph + swing speed?

 

And his long iron, short game, and putting?

 

And his closing ratio?

 

Fish in a barrel ; )

 

Agree and I think he was pushing 130mph with 43" steel.

 

Probably related to his severe low back issues now.

[bjp1]

Full disclosure is I've never been a fan of Tiger's. But I have a genuine question.

 

If he came out in 2012 instead of 1996/1997, would he have won 10 majors? 5?

 

I honest to god think his winning would have been half what it has been. He feasted at a time with no rivals, and the only two players who really played with him for more than a year (Singh, Duval) both fizzled quickly.

 

What do you guys think?

 

Today's (2012) players learned to approach the game and physical dominance according to what they saw in Tiger. I don't think the majority of new players would have moved in that direction without that model for success, and likely we would not see the game played as it has been the past decade.

[EKELLY]

Maybe 5 majors, 25 wins total.

 

 

 

Just curious, and let's see how objective you are.

 

How many career Majors and Wins would Jack have if he went pro in 2012?

 

You cut TWs totals by more than 2/3.

 

So, do you think Jack would have 5 Majors and 24 PGA tour wins?

Jack would have probably had 21 majors, the way I calculated, and tiger would probably have 11 majors. Jack is the greatest of all time and I think he would beat tiger hands down Head to Head 75% of the time.

I know I've said this 1000 times, but Jack in 2012 wouldn't have had Trevino, Player, and Watson, they cost him at least 6 majors......Nobody other than YE Yang beat Tiger on Sunday. .......

[Shilgy]

Maybe 5 majors, 25 wins total.

 

 

 

Just curious, and let's see how objective you are.

 

How many career Majors and Wins would Jack have if he went pro in 2012?

 

You cut TWs totals by more than 2/3.

 

So, do you think Jack would have 5 Majors and 24 PGA tour wins?

Jack would have probably had 21 majors, the way I calculated, and tiger would probably have 11 majors. Jack is the greatest of all time and I think he would beat tiger hands down Head to Head 75% of the time.

I know I've said this 1000 times, but Jack in 2012 wouldn't have had Trevino, Player, and Watson, they cost him at least 6 majors......Nobody other than YE Yang beat Tiger on Sunday. .......

Shades of Orville Moody! :)

[hogans71]

Today's young guns probably are mentally tougher than the guys Tiger played against from '97-'08 and he probably would have won less than 14 in 11 years against this group. But remember that he created these guys. In some ways the very best of today are Tiger's legacy. So if Tiger comes along 20 years later many of the studs of today might not even be playing golf as a profession. So it's impossible to say what his success rate would be.

 

Seriously?

 

You got bubba "water on the clubface" Watson. Rory "sniffles" McIlroy". Jason "sick all" Day. Jordan Speith and his whiny antics....

 

Nah, I gotta disagree wholeheartedly. And I like all those dudes that I just mentioned!

[augustgolf]

Maybe 5 majors, 25 wins total.

 

 

 

Just curious, and let's see how objective you are.

 

How many career Majors and Wins would Jack have if he went pro in 2012?

 

You cut TWs totals by more than 2/3.

 

So, do you think Jack would have 5 Majors and 24 PGA tour wins?

Jack would have probably had 21 majors, the way I calculated, and tiger would probably have 11 majors. Jack is the greatest of all time and I think he would beat tiger hands down Head to Head 75% of the time.

I know I've said this 1000 times, but Jack in 2012 wouldn't have had Trevino, Player, and Watson, they cost him at least 6 majors......Nobody other than YE Yang beat Tiger on Sunday. .......

 

And how many majors did Billy Casper have? Orville Moody?

 

 

[bscinstnct]

Today's young guns probably are mentally tougher than the guys Tiger played against from '97-'08 and he probably would have won less than 14 in 11 years against this group. But remember that he created these guys. In some ways the very best of today are Tiger's legacy. So if Tiger comes along 20 years later many of the studs of today might not even be playing golf as a profession. So it's impossible to say what his success rate would be.

 

Seriously?

 

You got bubba "water on the clubface" Watson. Rory "sniffles" McIlroy". Jason "sick all" Day. Jordan Speith and his whiny antics....

 

Nah, I gotta disagree wholeheartedly. And I like all those dudes that I just mentioned!

 

Ha!

 

Chicago finally froze Hoges brains ; )

 

Come back to NY, the football teams still suck but its at least 2* warmer <g>

[downsandups]

No one will ever dominate the way Tiger did.

[SwooshLT]

Maybe 5 majors, 25 wins total.

 

 

 

Just curious, and let's see how objective you are.

 

How many career Majors and Wins would Jack have if he went pro in 2012?

 

You cut TWs totals by more than 2/3.

 

So, do you think Jack would have 5 Majors and 24 PGA tour wins?

Jack would have probably had 21 majors, the way I calculated, and tiger would probably have 11 majors. Jack is the greatest of all time and I think he would beat tiger hands down Head to Head 75% of the time.

 

I love Jack but 73/18 over 30yr career pales in comparison to 79/14 in 16yrs....adding the scoring numbers as charted above and it's not even close....but I digress