ANA rules issue (Merged)

[golfandfishing]

Jpt - So once a new round starts then a player who signed for a 5 when they made 6 is good to go?

 

Edit to correct the autocorrect on username

[williamsnrb]

Hot - So once a new round starts then a player who signed for a 5 when they made 6 is good to go?

 

It's interesting to consider what a member above posted above: what is the purpose of signing your scorecard at the end of each round if it is subject to change (what makes that process so sacred)? Why not just keep a tally of strokes for the four days and then sign the final scorecard at the end of 72 holes?

[Strike Force]

BINGO!

 

Phil Mickelson just acknowledged on his Master's interview just now that a number of players on the PGA tour are 'loose' when replacing their golf ball - up to 2" - 3" away from where the ball was lifted.

 

There you have the confirmation that I have been stating in numerous posts...that hundreds of LPGA and PGA players in the course of a 4 day tournament do NOT replace their golf ball from where it was lifted.

 

And, what do you think Phil thinks the LPGA should do for Lexi? Phil thinks the ruling should be reversed and Lexi should be given the trophy!

[chris975d]

Wow! Phil Mickelson just acknowledged on his Master's interview that a number of players on the PGA tour replace their golf ball up to 2" - 3" away from where the ball was lifted.

 

There you have the confirmation that I have been stating...

 

And he also said that he thinks the ruling should be reversed and Lexi should be given the trophy.

[ray9898]

Hot - So once a new round starts then a player who signed for a 5 when they made 6 is good to go?

 

It's interesting to consider what a member above posted above: what is the purpose of signing your scorecard at the end of each round if it is subject to change (what makes that process so sacred)? Why not just keep a tally of strokes for the four days and then sign the final scorecard at the end of 72 holes?

 

.....you have potentially have different partners attesting to the score each round.

[jpt1101]

Hot - So once a new round starts then a player who signed for a 5 when they made 6 is good to go?

 

Sure. What's the point of signing otherwise? Officials would have between the end of one round and start of another to get it right. Put some accountability on the tournment and officials and official scorekeepers.

[Strike Force]

Wow! Phil Mickelson just acknowledged on his Master's interview that a number of players on the PGA tour replace their golf ball up to 2" - 3" away from where the ball was lifted.

 

There you have the confirmation that I have been stating...

 

And he also said that he thinks the ruling should be reversed and Lexi should be given the trophy.

 

Correct!

[CCTxGolf]

BINGO! Phil Mickelson just acknowledged on his Master's interview that a number of players on the PGA tour are 'loose' when replacing their golf ball - up to 2" - 3" away from where the ball was lifted.

 

There you have the confirmation that I have been stating...that hundreds of LPGA and PGA players in the course of a tournament do NOT replace their golf ball from where it was lifted.

 

And, what do you think Phil thinks the LPGA should do for Lexi?

 

Just saw that. It seems to confirm that marking/replacing a ball like that is intentional.

 

No clue what he thinks should be done about/for Lexi.

 

Wow! Phil Mickelson just acknowledged on his Master's interview that a number of players on the PGA tour replace their golf ball up to 2" - 3" away from where the ball was lifted.

 

There you have the confirmation that I have been stating...

 

And he also said that he thinks the ruling should be reversed and Lexi should be given the trophy.

 

Correct!

 

Interesting.

[chris975d]

BINGO! Phil Mickelson just acknowledged on his Master's interview that a number of players on the PGA tour are 'loose' when replacing their golf ball - up to 2" - 3" away from where the ball was lifted.

 

There you have the confirmation that I have been stating...that hundreds of LPGA and PGA players in the course of a tournament do NOT replace their golf ball from where it was lifted.

 

And, what do you think Phil thinks the LPGA should do for Lexi?

 

Just saw that. It seems to confirm that marking/replacing a ball like that is intentional.

 

No clue what he thinks should be done about/for Lexi.

 

He stated it. Said the ruling should be reversed and Lexi should be given the trophy.

[lumberman2462]

Just to completely derail everything.....WHY do they even have to sign scorecards anymore?

 

 

They've got walking markers with the group, scoring tent and TV guys keeping up with it in real-time. Hell, I'll bet Augusta has IBM or some big time computer company onsite monitoring everything everywhere and probably has top-secret stealth drones keeping an eye on things much the same way a Vegas casino has their guests under constant surveillance.

 

They don't ask LeBron to verify how many points he had each night or ask Brady how many yards he passed for...

 

The act of signing a scorecard is from an antiquated era when there were players running around all over the place and nobody knew what was going on.....much like the Tournaments at my home club (those cheating rascals need to sign in blood)

[Strike Force]

BINGO! Phil Mickelson just acknowledged on his Master's interview that a number of players on the PGA tour are 'loose' when replacing their golf ball - up to 2" - 3" away from where the ball was lifted.

 

There you have the confirmation that I have been stating...that hundreds of LPGA and PGA players in the course of a tournament do NOT replace their golf ball from where it was lifted.

 

And, what do you think Phil thinks the LPGA should do for Lexi?

 

Just saw that. It seems to confirm that marking/replacing a ball like that is intentional.

 

No clue what he thinks should be done about/for Lexi.

 

Phil said that the LPGA should reverse the ruling and give Lexi the trophy...

[CCTxGolf]

Did he say why he thinks the ruling should be reversed? Because a lot of people do it? Because it was a day after the fact? Because of the 2 additional strokes for signing a incorrect card?

 

The plot thickens!

[North Texas]

BINGO! Phil Mickelson just acknowledged on his Master's interview that a number of players on the PGA tour are 'loose' when replacing their golf ball - up to 2" - 3" away from where the ball was lifted.

 

There you have the confirmation that I have been stating...that hundreds of LPGA and PGA players in the course of a tournament do NOT replace their golf ball from where it was lifted.

 

And, what do you think Phil thinks the LPGA should do for Lexi?

 

Just saw that. It seems to confirm that marking/replacing a ball like that is intentional.

 

No clue what he thinks should be done about/for Lexi.

 

Wow! Phil Mickelson just acknowledged on his Master's interview that a number of players on the PGA tour replace their golf ball up to 2" - 3" away from where the ball was lifted.

 

There you have the confirmation that I have been stating...

 

And he also said that he thinks the ruling should be reversed and Lexi should be given the trophy.

 

Correct!

 

Interesting.

 

I said it in one of these threads that there are players who are "unintentionally" careless when they mark their ball and there are players who are "intentionally" careless when the mark their ball.

[Strike Force]

BINGO! Phil Mickelson just acknowledged on his Master's interview that a number of players on the PGA tour are 'loose' when replacing their golf ball - up to 2" - 3" away from where the ball was lifted.

 

There you have the confirmation that I have been stating...that hundreds of LPGA and PGA players in the course of a tournament do NOT replace their golf ball from where it was lifted.

 

And, what do you think Phil thinks the LPGA should do for Lexi?

 

Just saw that. It seems to confirm that marking/replacing a ball like that is intentional.

 

No clue what he thinks should be done about/for Lexi.

 

Wow! Phil Mickelson just acknowledged on his Master's interview that a number of players on the PGA tour replace their golf ball up to 2" - 3" away from where the ball was lifted.

 

There you have the confirmation that I have been stating...

 

And he also said that he thinks the ruling should be reversed and Lexi should be given the trophy.

 

Correct!

 

Interesting.

 

So much for the players calling rules infractions on their fellow competitors to protect the field.

[jt2gt]

The more I watch the clip the more I think she blatantly cheated. Hate to say it but I have a buddy who does this sort of thing all the time and we call him on it. I gotta say the ruling is correct and she is lucky she wasn't DQ'd.

 

Side marking on the green should be a rules violation at any time, even if you replace correctly. It does nothing but raise suspicion...and really what is the purpose if you arent trying to gain and advantage?

Because sometimes you are making sure not to step on someones line.

 

She moved the coin one or two inches. It had nothing to do with someones line. There is no logical reason to side mark...ever...that I can think of, we are talking about the diameter of a golf ball in terms of distance.

At times you would side mark to avoid having to move the mark. And yes, it can be the difference between it seeming to be in the way and not. Especially near the hole. I have no idea why she put the coin back down after replacing the ball and picking up the coin. She did a crap job with the mark on this hole. She appeared to approach the ball from the side and place the coin at about 2 o'clock behind the ball and then replace the ball so the coin was at about 10 o'clock.

 

http://detroit.cbslo...fs-rules-video/

 

Of course, this would be the best way to change the placement of the ball the most without looking like you changed it too much. Side mark it, then replace the ball even further toward the same side she marked it. In other words, as you put down your mark, the ball is on player's right side of the mark, pick up ball, replace ball on players left side of mark. You are effectively moving the ball as much as you can along the mark while keeping the mark somewhat behind the ball.

 

One things is for sure, she and others won't be trying this trick anymore.

[bladehunter]

^^^^

What you are saying is that if a player is able to conceal a breach from her competitors then it's ok?

 

 

What he's saying is if the field isnt worried about it then why are spectators at home ?

[bladehunter]

BINGO! Phil Mickelson just acknowledged on his Master's interview that a number of players on the PGA tour are 'loose' when replacing their golf ball - up to 2" - 3" away from where the ball was lifted.

 

There you have the confirmation that I have been stating...that hundreds of LPGA and PGA players in the course of a tournament do NOT replace their golf ball from where it was lifted.

 

And, what do you think Phil thinks the LPGA should do for Lexi?

 

Just saw that. It seems to confirm that marking/replacing a ball like that is intentional.

 

No clue what he thinks should be done about/for Lexi.

 

Phil said that the LPGA should reverse the ruling and give Lexi the trophy...

 

Go back in This thread and you'll find where I said Phil would start a s*** storm when he got to comment. And here it is.

 

Players yesterday nicey said it was bull. Had no doubt Phil would call a spade a spade.

[OBbogey5]

Just to completely derail everything.....WHY do they even have to sign scorecards anymore?

 

 

They've got walking markers with the group, scoring tent and TV guys keeping up with it in real-time. Hell, I'll bet Augusta has IBM or some big time computer company onsite monitoring everything everywhere and probably has top-secret stealth drones keeping an eye on things much the same way a Vegas casino has their guests under constant surveillance.

 

They don't ask LeBron to verify how many points he had each night or ask Brady how many yards he passed for...

 

The act of signing a scorecard is from an antiquated era when there were players running around all over the place and nobody knew what was going on.....much like the Tournaments at my home club (those cheating rascals need to sign in blood)

 

It's the players' game. It's the players' responsibility to abide by ALL the rules. There is no freaking way that the players want their outcomes in the hands of a score keeper! Please.

 

Lebron and Brady know the score of the game...which leads to victory/defeat..

[Strike Force]

With Phil's comments today we have definitely not heard the last of this!!!

[forgedforever]

LPGA Commissioner Mike Whan has acknowledged the penalty against Lexi "didn't fit the crime."

 

http://sports.yahoo....-183019127.html

 

edit: Apologies if previously posted.

[bladehunter]

BINGO!

 

Phil Mickelson just acknowledged on his Master's interview just now that a number of players on the PGA tour are 'loose' when replacing their golf ball - up to 2" - 3" away from where the ball was lifted.

 

There you have the confirmation that I have been stating in numerous posts...that hundreds of LPGA and PGA players in the course of a 4 day tournament do NOT replace their golf ball from where it was lifted.

 

And, what do you think Phil thinks the LPGA should do for Lexi? Phil thinks the ruling should be reversed and Lexi should be given the trophy!

 

Absolutely what I've been screaming. I've seen it a million times. I myself have big hands. It's hard to get the ball to stop in that spot sometimes. It's alwasy off a touch. Not as much as lexis was but rarely on the same pinpoint spot. It's jut a delicate process. Also will say that bent grass is easier than grainy Bermuda. I play on Bermuda most often. The ball doesn't want to rest anywhere on it.

[lumberman2462]

Just to completely derail everything.....WHY do they even have to sign scorecards anymore?

 

 

They've got walking markers with the group, scoring tent and TV guys keeping up with it in real-time. Hell, I'll bet Augusta has IBM or some big time computer company onsite monitoring everything everywhere and probably has top-secret stealth drones keeping an eye on things much the same way a Vegas casino has their guests under constant surveillance.

 

They don't ask LeBron to verify how many points he had each night or ask Brady how many yards he passed for...

 

The act of signing a scorecard is from an antiquated era when there were players running around all over the place and nobody knew what was going on.....much like the Tournaments at my home club (those cheating rascals need to sign in blood)

 

It's the players' game. It's the players' responsibility to abide by ALL the rules. There is no freaking way that the players want their outcomes in the hands of a score keeper! Please.

 

Lebron and Brady know the score of the game...which leads to victory/defeat..

 

You either have integrity or you don't....the simple fact that a signature is required isn't going to change a cheater from a cheat to a paragon of virtue.

[CCTxGolf]

BINGO!

 

Phil Mickelson just acknowledged on his Master's interview just now that a number of players on the PGA tour are 'loose' when replacing their golf ball - up to 2" - 3" away from where the ball was lifted.

 

There you have the confirmation that I have been stating in numerous posts...that hundreds of LPGA and PGA players in the course of a 4 day tournament do NOT replace their golf ball from where it was lifted.

 

And, what do you think Phil thinks the LPGA should do for Lexi? Phil thinks the ruling should be reversed and Lexi should be given the trophy!

 

Absolutely what I've been screaming. I've seen it a million times. I myself have big hands. It's hard to get the ball to stop in that spot sometimes. It's alwasy off a touch. Not as much as lexis was but rarely on the same pinpoint spot. It's jut a delicate process. Also will say that bent grass is easier than grainy Bermuda. I play on Bermuda most often. The ball doesn't want to rest anywhere on it.

 

I thought that he indicated that it is normally done intentionally by the golfer to better their position?

[williamsnrb]

Just when the thread was slowing down, Phil comes in and fires it up again!

 

[chris975d]

BINGO!

 

Phil Mickelson just acknowledged on his Master's interview just now that a number of players on the PGA tour are 'loose' when replacing their golf ball - up to 2" - 3" away from where the ball was lifted.

 

There you have the confirmation that I have been stating in numerous posts...that hundreds of LPGA and PGA players in the course of a 4 day tournament do NOT replace their golf ball from where it was lifted.

 

And, what do you think Phil thinks the LPGA should do for Lexi? Phil thinks the ruling should be reversed and Lexi should be given the trophy!

 

Absolutely what I've been screaming. I've seen it a million times. I myself have big hands. It's hard to get the ball to stop in that spot sometimes. It's alwasy off a touch. Not as much as lexis was but rarely on the same pinpoint spot. It's jut a delicate process. Also will say that bent grass is easier than grainy Bermuda. I play on Bermuda most often. The ball doesn't want to rest anywhere on it.

 

I thought that he indicated that it is normally done intentionally by the golfer to better their position?

 

He mentioned that it's known that players do it both intentionally and unintentionally, some to get the ball out of a depression

[jonsnow]

BINGO!

 

Phil Mickelson just acknowledged on his Master's interview just now that a number of players on the PGA tour are 'loose' when replacing their golf ball - up to 2" - 3" away from where the ball was lifted.

 

There you have the confirmation that I have been stating in numerous posts...that hundreds of LPGA and PGA players in the course of a 4 day tournament do NOT replace their golf ball from where it was lifted.

 

And, what do you think Phil thinks the LPGA should do for Lexi? Phil thinks the ruling should be reversed and Lexi should be given the trophy!

 

Absolutely what I've been screaming. I've seen it a million times. I myself have big hands. It's hard to get the ball to stop in that spot sometimes. It's alwasy off a touch. Not as much as lexis was but rarely on the same pinpoint spot. It's jut a delicate process. Also will say that bent grass is easier than grainy Bermuda. I play on Bermuda most often. The ball doesn't want to rest anywhere on it.

 

Well, what with trying to replace a round object on another round object with big hands & the bottom round object is covered with grainy Bermuda where the ball doesn't want to rest anywhere on it, I'm surprised anyone is ever able to finish 18 holes for having to chase the ball around the green trying to get it to stop long enough to putt it...

[jt2gt]

BINGO!

 

Phil Mickelson just acknowledged on his Master's interview just now that a number of players on the PGA tour are 'loose' when replacing their golf ball - up to 2" - 3" away from where the ball was lifted.

 

There you have the confirmation that I have been stating in numerous posts...that hundreds of LPGA and PGA players in the course of a 4 day tournament do NOT replace their golf ball from where it was lifted.

 

And, what do you think Phil thinks the LPGA should do for Lexi? Phil thinks the ruling should be reversed and Lexi should be given the trophy!

 

Absolutely what I've been screaming. I've seen it a million times. I myself have big hands. It's hard to get the ball to stop in that spot sometimes. It's alwasy off a touch. Not as much as lexis was but rarely on the same pinpoint spot. It's jut a delicate process. Also will say that bent grass is easier than grainy Bermuda. I play on Bermuda most often. The ball doesn't want to rest anywhere on it.

 

Uhhhh...he's not saying its a hard thing to do (big hangs, bermuda, etc). He is saying that certain players are loose with their marking/replacing of the ball -- whether intentionally or cause they don't care or pay attention. With millions on the line, I lean toward the former. Which only confirms what I and others have said in this thread and this time someone got called out for it. Whether you agree with the penalty, the call in or whatever.

[Goldenchang]

BINGO!

 

Phil Mickelson just acknowledged on his Master's interview just now that a number of players on the PGA tour are 'loose' when replacing their golf ball - up to 2" - 3" away from where the ball was lifted.

 

There you have the confirmation that I have been stating in numerous posts...that hundreds of LPGA and PGA players in the course of a 4 day tournament do NOT replace their golf ball from where it was lifted.

 

And, what do you think Phil thinks the LPGA should do for Lexi? Phil thinks the ruling should be reversed and Lexi should be given the trophy!

 

Absolutely what I've been screaming. I've seen it a million times. I myself have big hands. It's hard to get the ball to stop in that spot sometimes. It's alwasy off a touch. Not as much as lexis was but rarely on the same pinpoint spot. It's jut a delicate process. Also will say that bent grass is easier than grainy Bermuda. I play on Bermuda most often. The ball doesn't want to rest anywhere on it.

 

Well, what with trying to replace a round object on another round object with big hands & the bottom round object is covered with grainy Bermuda where the ball doesn't want to rest anywhere on it, I'm surprised anyone is ever able to finish 18 holes for having to chase the ball around the green trying to get it to stop long enough to putt it...

 

In this particular case, Lexi had no problem placing it in the wrong place. I didn't roll around where she replaced it...

 

And while Phil says that this happens all the time, he's not saying everyone is doing it. And Phil isn't the person one would cite when discussing rules and the strict adherence to them. Phil bends and even breaks more rules than most, in golf and regular life i.e., gambling and insider trading.

[CCTxGolf]

BINGO!

 

Phil Mickelson just acknowledged on his Master's interview just now that a number of players on the PGA tour are 'loose' when replacing their golf ball - up to 2" - 3" away from where the ball was lifted.

 

There you have the confirmation that I have been stating in numerous posts...that hundreds of LPGA and PGA players in the course of a 4 day tournament do NOT replace their golf ball from where it was lifted.

 

And, what do you think Phil thinks the LPGA should do for Lexi? Phil thinks the ruling should be reversed and Lexi should be given the trophy!

 

Absolutely what I've been screaming. I've seen it a million times. I myself have big hands. It's hard to get the ball to stop in that spot sometimes. It's alwasy off a touch. Not as much as lexis was but rarely on the same pinpoint spot. It's jut a delicate process. Also will say that bent grass is easier than grainy Bermuda. I play on Bermuda most often. The ball doesn't want to rest anywhere on it.

 

Well, what with trying to replace a round object on another round object with big hands & the bottom round object is covered with grainy Bermuda where the ball doesn't want to rest anywhere on it, I'm surprised anyone is ever able to finish 18 holes for having to chase the ball around the green trying to get it to stop long enough to putt it...

 

This is awesome.

[MarkFromTheUK]

You can always rely on Sir Phil to make things interesting.

 

I'm going to be on the lookout for players who keep marking and remarking their ball, and turning a 10 footer in to a six incher.