Tiger Arrested For DUI (NO POLITICS, RELIGION, PERSONAL ATTACKS, ...)

[3jacker]

I think the TW apologists on here are been more adversely affected

by this unfortunate incident than TW himself.

[Mark_888]

Tiger is pretty intelligent. They don't let people into Stanford just because they are athletes. Whether or not he makes smart personal decisions is another matter.

 

I don't think that the police letting him go on his own recognizance had anything to do with the seriousness of the case. I wonder if they took a blood test to determine what drugs he actually took and what quantity.

[heavy_hitter]

Really? A separate thread for this?

[3jacker]

Rx drugs need to start getting the attn that alcohol has over the past years.

Not that it's ok to drive after taking them, but it does seem to be looked upon a "lesser" or

"more understandable" defense.

 

But it's not, especially if it's your loved one who was killed by a person under their influence.

[macnewma]

I'm glad I waited until now to comment.

 

1. If he was impaired because he mixed up or took too much medication, or some innocent mistake I feel awful for him. The early reports dragged him through the mud quite unfairly.

2. If this signals he is developing a drug problem due to prescription drugs I hope he gets the help and treatment he needs before he falls into a serious addiction problem.

3. At this point the best things people could do for him is pray for him, and then leave him alone. The bright glare of publicity is the worst thing that could happen to him and his children. We should leave him alone and let him get well. I also hope he gets some good professional spiritual counseling to help his mind and soul.

 

He has caused many of his problems by himself, but that is in the past. At this point it is time to show him some sympathy for him, hope he gets better, and remember the great things he did on a golf course. The longer people crush him in the media and in public the worse it gets for him and his children.

 

I agree 100%. I'm not a fan of Tiger Woods the golfer, but I am a fan of people who have struggles in their lives. Yes, he is rich. Yes, he brought many of those problems upon himself. I still pull for humans suffering the human condition.

 

For those trying to compare alcohol DUI vs prescription med DUI, I think it is silly. Yes, both show varying degrees of irresponsibility. It is hard to make a case that an alcohol DUI was an innocent mistake. It is possible that a medication based DUI is an innocent mistake. Of course, if he was abusing the medications and that caused the impairment, then it is on par with an alcohol based DUI. Case closed.

[3jacker]

I'm glad I waited until now to comment.

 

1. If he was impaired because he mixed up or took too much medication, or some innocent mistake I feel awful for him. The early reports dragged him through the mud quite unfairly.

2. If this signals he is developing a drug problem due to prescription drugs I hope he gets the help and treatment he needs before he falls into a serious addiction problem.

3. At this point the best things people could do for him is pray for him, and then leave him alone. The bright glare of publicity is the worst thing that could happen to him and his children. We should leave him alone and let him get well. I also hope he gets some good professional spiritual counseling to help his mind and soul.

 

He has caused many of his problems by himself, but that is in the past. At this point it is time to show him some sympathy for him, hope he gets better, and remember the great things he did on a golf course. The longer people crush him in the media and in public the worse it gets for him and his children.

 

I agree 100%. I'm not a fan of Tiger Woods the golfer, but I am a fan of people who have struggles in their lives. Yes, he is rich. Yes, he brought many of those problems upon himself. I still pull for humans suffering the human condition.

 

For those trying to compare alcohol DUI vs prescription med DUI, I think it is silly. Yes, both show varying degrees of irresponsibility. It is hard to make a case that an alcohol DUI was an innocent mistake. It is possible that a medication based DUI is an innocent mistake. Of course, if he was abusing the medications and that caused the impairment, then it is on par with an alcohol based DUI. Case closed.

 

Disagree.

 

Alcohol is legal to anyone over 21.

 

Rx drugs are not.

 

Equal care should be taken by those who are given a legal prescription for a controlled substance.

The responsibility to consume with due regard to the safety of others is no less than that of alchohol.

 

Case closed for real now.

[scotee]

Late to the party so forgive me if these points have been made many times already. It is likely that he had taken heavy pain meds, muscle relaxants, anti anxiety drugs or some combination of these. These are taken for three reasons. Medical need, dependency or recreation. The question becomes: If just last week he said he has never felt better, why is he taking these drugs?

[Nessism]

Time heals all wounds...guaranteed. In due time, this too will pass. The mugshot will always be out there, but it will pass.

 

 

I think there's a HUGE difference, too, if in fact alcohol wasn't involved. If in fact alcohol wasn't a contributing factor, to me that lessens the severity of this whole ordeal immensely. But, that's just me...

 

So if he ran head on into someone on pain meds and killed them that is somehow better than if it had been booze?

 

Wow

 

Better for the victim? No. Better for Tiger? Yes.

 

Drinking and driving is inexcusable.

 

If someone has an adverse reaction to prescription meds that's a different matter - honest mistake (possibly). We don't know the truth at this point, and maybe we won't ever.

[3jacker]

He needs them to be able to follow thru on his 3AM trysts

with Perkins waitresses.

[SilverBullets]

My perspective on this is a little different because my wife had spinal fusion surgery a few days before Tiger did. My wife's surgery was Cervical, which from what I understand is nowhere near as bad as lumbar. What I know is this:

 

Things which make sense to me:

- 6 or so weeks out of surgery and my wife still have a bit of a intermittent nerve pain. It depends on how active she is each day. As she builds her activity, the nerve pain slowly begins to increase.

- My wife doesn't take pain meds, mainly because they make her feel like she is going to throw up. But there are still times where she probably should take them but she grits through the pain.

- Nerves are very slow to heal. So anyone saying he should have zero pain 5 weeks after surgery simply doesn't know what they are talking about. My wife's neurosurgeon said she won't know what her permanent level of pain will be (if there is permanent pain) for probably 12 months.

- Her sleep schedule is all out of whack. She has tried to keep a regular schedule, but, not being able to work and really do anything for 6 weeks has made that hard. Some nights she simply can't sleep and she goes out in the living room and watches TV until I wake up the next morning. She doesn't go driving, but, she isn't really sleeping right now. She was prescribed medication to help with sleep but opted not to fill it because of a negative reaction in the past (she ended up not being able to sleep and basically felt like she was losing her mind for 24 hours).

 

Things which don't make sense to me:

- The dude was driving at 3am and he blew a .000 which meant he wasn't drinking. WTF was he doing? Possibly a negative reaction to sleeping medication? Other than that, it really doesn't make sense

- On ESPN Radio this am they said one of the prescriptions was a NSAID (basically a stronger version of Advil). That doesn't compute to me. NASIDs hinder the Fusion process and in my wife's case, she was given very strict instructions that whatever she does, no NSAIDs for at least 6 months.

 

Ultimately, I am not trying to stand up for the guy. He clearly was driving under the influence of something which was altering his state of mind. A dangerous situation, not only for him, but everyone around him on the roads. But I make this post as an attempt to say, what happened seems somewhat plausible to me based on our (my wife and I) current situation. My wife refuses to take medication. But if it were me, I would probably be popping the pain meds and sleeping medication which my wife refuses. It's a bad look for Tiger and it feeds to the rumors that he has had issues with pills in the past. If he does have those issues, I hope he can get the help he needs. But until we ultimately know more, I can't say what he described (negative reaction to meds) as being implausible.

I had c4&5 and 6&7 fused, and when I woke up, the nerve pain was gone. I was very sore from the surgery, my throat was swollen and very painful, but the tingling and shooting pains down my arms was gone. I took pain meds for 5 days, woke up on day 6 with no pain, quit the meds. I sympathize with your wife, I didn't like the pain meds at all. Made me fuzzy and out of sorts, although I slept OK. Hope she continues to improve.

 

Yeah she woke up and felt a million times better. Her right hand had become numb/tingling and it was mixed with shooting pains down her arm. She woke up and feeling/strength in the hand was back and the pain was gone. Her intermittent pain is more random soreness/pain in her upper shoulders and sometimes in the tricep area. In the 6 weeks since her surgery, there has been only a couple of random, individual, shooting pains but that was it. She seems to get better each day but it's on the days where she pushes her activity level that she gets more sore and has little more pain. Which seems to be expected. Her post op scans have come back looking 'perfect' (in the words of her neurosurgeon who doesn't see many 29 year old spines) and he is not concerned at all by the soreness and level of pain she has.

 

But nonetheless, I can see where some of Woods' claims are plausible. My wife struggles with sleep when she is fully healthy, working out, and very active. Let alone when she is recovering from surgery, not working out, not overly active. She also has had negative reactions to any sleeping aids. Whether it's prescribed medication, Nyquill during a cold or Tylenol PM. She ends up almost 'wired', loopy and feeling like she is going crazy. So she simply doesn't take them. I could only imagine what would happen if she took a prescribed sleeping medication and was at the house alone. After seeing her reaction in the hospital (not for this surgery but for something else a few years ago) to a prescribed sleeping aid, I could completely understand how someone would unknowingly get behind the wheel. Not saying that makes it right, or is even what happened in this case, but I can see the plausibility in it.

[Forged4ever]

As I said earlier, there is ZERO JUSTIFICATION or defense for this-

 

I like the guy and hope that he gets back on the course however if I were sitting across from him, as one who's been down the road he's obviously on, I'd first laugh in his face then tell him to save that bulshat for his kids and fans-

 

This is as bad as an alcohol related incident and anyone who says otherwise is as screwed up as Tiger-

 

Take THAT to the friggin bank?

 

My Best?

RP

 

Having a bad/unforeseen reaction to a prescription isnt as bad as knowingly getting behind the wheel drunk, RP.

 

If he's abusing these drugs, you're right. If this is a one-off situation due to a reaction from whatever he's taking, you're wrong.

 

Ive watched my dad suffer for two years now trying to find the correct types of medicine to help him with severe nerve pain. Its the most miserable Ive ever seen him. And we can't find a combination of anything that works. And Ive seen a number of medications make him sick, loopy, etc....and then he's fine the next day taking the same stuff.

 

Unless it comes out that he's abusing these medications, Im not going to rail Tiger for this...and I dont think anyone else should either. It truly could be something as simple as a reaction. Lets just be thankful nobody was hurt.

If he had narcotics in his system, he should not have been behind the wheel and it is indeed just as bad as alcohol-

 

Whether he's "abusing" then or not is irrelevant -

 

Period

 

End of story

 

Nuff said-

 

Have a great week?

RP

[Hawkeye77]

Zip on alcohol content which is good.

 

The rest - just not a big deal and media is still trying to make it a lot bigger than it is.

 

Meds can be tricky and affect people different ways, in different combos and not the same way every time. Guessing he's got that figured out now, message should be received pretty clearly if he had any doubt before.

 

He'll probably have some legal consequence and move on.

 

Really no story left here at all.

[ghostrider]

Hmmm well for whatever this 2 cents is worth. 11 years as a police officer and hundreds...yes...hundreds of DUI arrests. DUI means Driving Under the Influence. Not just alcohol. Actually there really isn't much sense in going through what leads up to an arrest for DUI...as in this case Woods was found not be driving...but parked with the motor running. So DUI would not be the correct charge...as he was not physically driving the vehicle. Not sure what the Florida law is...but Washington State there is a charge for Physical Control of a Motor Vehicle while under the influence, which in this case would be the correct charge.

 

Physical Control means I am in the vehicle, usually behind the wheel, and have the ability to, if I chose to do so, drive the vehicle. Needless to say behind the wheel, even asleep, with the motor running would qualify. Again don't know the Florida traffic code, but Washington Physical Control is the same penalties as DUI.

 

As an LEO you have to show that the subject was impaired to the point where their operation of a motor vehicle would be a danger to the public. Thus there are a variety of physical sobriety tests ranging from reciting alphabet, counting backwards, finger to nose, walk heel-to-toe straight line, horizontal gaze nystagmus test (effective on alcohol only). Add to that observations about the subject's demeanor, speech patterns, physical appearance and their ability, i.e., balance, etc.

 

Obviously there is a test for BAC...and if the subject has not been drinking, which is normally what people are arrested for, then you need to have your testing and observations in order to get a conviction without the BAC showing alcohol in the blood. It depends...but I am not aware of a state that can require you to take a blood test solely for a DUI charge, unless there has been an accident where there is a fatality or a high likelihood of a fatality. Of course if you are admitted for injuries...then there will be a blood test and the police get the results.

 

 

Not exactly sure this is correct in Austin. At least in Austin they have "no refusal" days where if you refuse the breath test they quickly get a warrant to draw blood. No accident or anything like that has to be observed

[Sixcat]

As I said earlier, there is ZERO JUSTIFICATION or defense for this-

 

I like the guy and hope that he gets back on the course however if I were sitting across from him, as one who's been down the road he's obviously on, I'd first laugh in his face then tell him to save that bulshat for his kids and fans-

 

This is as bad as an alcohol related incident and anyone who says otherwise is as screwed up as Tiger-

 

Take THAT to the friggin bank

 

My Best

RP

 

Having a bad/unforeseen reaction to a prescription isnt as bad as knowingly getting behind the wheel drunk, RP.

 

If he's abusing these drugs, you're right. If this is a one-off situation due to a reaction from whatever he's taking, you're wrong.

 

Ive watched my dad suffer for two years now trying to find the correct types of medicine to help him with severe nerve pain. Its the most miserable Ive ever seen him. And we can't find a combination of anything that works. And Ive seen a number of medications make him sick, loopy, etc....and then he's fine the next day taking the same stuff.

 

Unless it comes out that he's abusing these medications, Im not going to rail Tiger for this...and I dont think anyone else should either. It truly could be something as simple as a reaction. Lets just be thankful nobody was hurt.

If he had narcotics in his system, he should not have been behind the wheel and it is indeed just as bad as alcohol-

 

Whether he's "abusing" then or not is irrelevant -

 

Period

 

End of story

 

Nuff said-

 

Have a great week

RP

 

Exactly Richard, you cannot legislate intent!

[drbonesvt]

Wonder if those Oxy's (or whatever it was) tour issue Txxxxx v2, because tour issue prescription is better

[Qqq123xx]

3am 3am 3am 3am 3am

 

Wonder where he was beforehand. Haven't read to much into it but have not seen any previous evenings/early morning whereabouts.

[Forged4ever]

Actually Advil & Motrin are NSAIDs, they are just OTC(over the counter) and as such, come in 200mg tablets versus the usual script dosage of 800mg.

 

So, if ya take 4 Advils(4 x 200mg), you basically have the exact same dosage as one scripted 800mg Ibuprofen-

 

All of these drugs fall under the category of NSAID

 

Though scripted NSAIDs have the same orange/yellow vehicle operating warming as narcotics, I've never ever had one make me "loopy" or buzzed, nor have any of my buds who take em however they make my Mother "silly," and while she denies it, they "loop" her and she will not drive if she takes one.

 

Stay well my Friends?

RP

[dcrocketman]

Personal responsibility or Individual Responsibility is the idea that human beings choose, instigate, or otherwise cause their own actions. A corollary idea is that because we cause our actions, we can be held morally accountable or legally liable

[Mark_888]

Really? A separate thread for this?

 

The other Tiger arrest thread is a cesspool.

[drbonesvt]

3am 3am 3am 3am 3am

 

Wonder where he was beforehand. Haven't read to much into it but have not seen any previous evenings/early morning whereabouts.

 

Shooting a 61 at the bears club

[Interpol]

lol.. so they can take timeframe into account and what ? speculate what the level would be IF they had a breathalizer or blood test right away ? lol now thats a huge crock of feces.... Is this where a "expert witness" (read : paid schill) comes into effect ? LOL

 

They absolutely can...it's basic pharmacodynamics. If you have a specific blood alcohol level at time X, it's not difficult to extrapolate what your BAL was at time X minus Y.

[BoogieThumper]

Time heals all wounds...guaranteed. In due time, this too will pass. The mugshot will always be out there, but it will pass.

 

 

I think there's a HUGE difference, too, if in fact alcohol wasn't involved. If in fact alcohol wasn't a contributing factor, to me that lessens the severity of this whole ordeal immensely. But, that's just me...

 

So if he ran head on into someone on pain meds and killed them that is somehow better than if it had been booze?

 

Wow

But he didn't.....Thank goodness

[augustgolf]

My wife is quite a bit older than I am, and was taking more meds (prescribed) than I thought safe.

 

I noticed some changes in behavior, so I got in a fight with her to see what she was taking & when.

 

Turns out, she was doubling one RX, while not taking another.

 

Took her a couple of weeks to get back to normal.

 

I'm all in favor of TW getting help to understand what happened.

 

And, FWIW, I doubt a blood sample had to be taken. That is usually only required when there is either a fatality or serious injury.

 

But, I'll admit I haven't followed this story as closely as some of you

[the bishop]

lol.. so they can take timeframe into account and what ? speculate what the level would be IF they had a breathalizer or blood test right away ? lol now thats a huge crock of feces.... Is this where a "expert witness" (read : paid schill) comes into effect ? LOL

 

They absolutely can...it's basic pharmacodynamics. If you have a specific blood alcohol level at time X, it's not difficult to extrapolate what your BAL was at time X minus Y.

http://dui.findlaw.com/dui-arrests/alcohol-metabolism-rate-and-your-dui.html

[Joe85]

My point about the lack of alcohol (and severity of this all), is that assuming he took the meds in good conscience then that is TOTALLY different.

 

 

If he was trying to get hammered (high) off his meds, then yes, it would be on par with someone getting loaded up on vodka and drinking and driving.

 

 

If he was taking meds as prescribed - or even if he took the meds a little over the limit but wasn't necesarily trying to get stoned - to me that isn't nearly as egregious of an act.

 

 

In other words if he was taking the meds and not trying to get stoned on them, I just don't think it's as egregious of an ordeal.

 

 

 

And trust me, I am no Tiger fanboy. I have been very critical of him and don't tow the whole "He's the greatest, period" crap so many give him credit for.

[dcrocketman]

My point about the lack of alcohol (and severity of this all), is that assuming he took the meds in good conscience then that is TOTALLY different.

 

 

If he was trying to get hammered (high) off his meds, then yes, it would be on par with someone getting loaded up on vodka and drinking and driving.

 

 

If he was taking meds as prescribed - or even if he took the meds a little over the limit but wasn't necesarily trying to get stoned - to me that isn't nearly as egregious of an act.

 

 

In other words if he was taking the meds and not trying to get stoned on them, I just don't think it's as egregious of an ordeal.

 

 

 

And trust me, I am no Tiger fanboy. I have been very critical of him and don't tow the whole "He's the greatest, period" crap so many give him credit for.

The offense of driving under the influence, or DUI, typically relates to alcohol intoxication. But alcohol is just one of countless substances that can impair one's ability to operate a motor vehicle. Driving under the influence of drugs -- including prescription medications as well as illegal drugs -- can also result in DUI charges.

Mixing drugs and driving, whether it's medicinal marijuana or legally prescribed muscle relaxers, is just as illegal as driving drunk and can also constitute a DUI offense. Doctor's orders are no defense to drugged driving charges.

[dmb3535]

what is crazy is that it states that they asked him to read alphabet backwards and it says he was confused, but later completed the task. I am trying to say alphabet backwards now and can't do it

[thegrayman]

Does anyone else see the irony in dozens of posts about how reciting the alphabet backwards is impossible and Tiger not understanding the instructions of the test?

[KYMAR]

Man the excuse making apologist are in full force! I love it.

 

 

"I was in California golfing!" Just a normal reaction to medicine. You never know how it might effect you. You might think you were on the opposite coast of the country performing a task that you are physically incapable of but really no harm, no foul. seriosuly, Tiger can't be expected to take these medications responsibly. The whole thing is a crap shoot really.

 

Mr woods was asleep behind the wheel of a running car at 3AM, He was unable to follow simple instructions, lacked required motor skills to be able lift his foot 6 inches off the ground and remain in balance,He didn't know where he was, and asked the cop how far away from home he was- --- Oh Basic, normal reaction to pain meds. trust me, I know people on pain meds

 

THIS is why tiger controversies are so delicious. Not about TW, It's not about celebrating another public embarrasment, it's watching in stunned amusement the insane lengths guys will go to defend him in the face of the indefensible.

 

If you're going to load up on these medications because you need them for pain management, fine. That is not license to do whatever you want, to be totally irresponsible. He`s a 41 year old man who`s had 4 serious back surgeries, if there`s a guy who should understand how pain medications effect him, it`s this guy.

[Jasonic]

Blew a .000. Weird

 

Ambien is a helluva drug