Why do I hook Mizuno Irons Only????

[thormania]

Ok this is strange - I love the Mp15 irons. I want to play them the distance and feel are fine as well as forgiveness..

 

But I hook them - All of them - MP15, MP25s, .. I hit the AP2 relatively straight as well as most ping irons I've tried.

 

I know Mizuno has a Flater lie which really should make it go right but it doesn't.....

 

Does the MP15 have more offset in the AP2? Anything in the head that makes it go left????

 

Its the swing but the same swing with other irons and the ball goes straight.

[Noodler]

So many variables could be at play here to explain your results. However, the answer to your question is "no" - there is nothing about Mizuno's MP series heads that make them biased toward hooking.

[VA_Astra]

What shaft is in them?

[thormania]

s300s in everything

[VA_Astra]

Pure looks and confidence....I think the AP2's are more forgiving than the other 2 and promote a straighter flight, but its all on you delivering the club.

[dan360]

Hit a MP-33 and tell us what happens.

[TobesSC]

Could still be the lie. You may be over correcting by trying to avoid the miss to the right and over drawing them. I've had similar experiences with irons that were too flat.

[Golf64]

Grips the same? Smaller grips tend to draw more vs. thicker grips?!

PS. Try the MP5, more forgiving than they look and are nicer than the MP15. ;)

[puttingmatt]

The lies can be adjusted to assist the ballflight, but swing path certainly

Comes into play. A proper fitting would answer most of your concerns.

[nicoy3k]

I believe mizuno shafts are shorter than standard, which should actually flatten the lie angle, but maybe has something to do with that

[dlamb83]

I believe mizuno shafts are shorter than standard, which should actually flatten the lie angle, but maybe has something to do with that

 

100% agree. Mizuno are shorter standard length than titleist I believe. 1/4 short to be exact,which should equate to flatter lie.

 

Op,you just know what you do with a mizuno and over correct it. Find a mizuno iron that's same length as titleist and you may not hook them. If you do,it's a swing issue.

[ocburg17]

Are Mizuno's shorter? I believe that on their specs, they put the length to the end of the shaft rather that the end of the grip. Thus, when you put the grip on, the final playing lengths are the same as all the other OEMs.

[morgan1819]

To answer your question about the offset:

 

The offset itself doesn't directly cause the ball to go left. Mostly, it helps get the ball in the air.

 

However, offset can cause a particular iron to fit your eye differently, resulting in alignment issues. I had this happen with a hybrid, that I absolutely loved. First few times I hit it, ended up with a pull, over-draw that went about 40 yards left. I learned to simply open the club a bit in my hands, and all was good.

 

Ideally a club will line up correctly for you, without having to remember to open up. Mizuno's may simply not fit your eye.

 

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[BlackM00Nlight]

There's nothing about a Mizzy iron that makes you snap hook them except that it's all in your head..

[pinestreetgolf]

Mizuno irons are great irons. They also have low bounce. For example, the pitching wedge only has 6* of bounce compared to something like 9 or 11 in the callaway blades. The mizzys typically only go up a degree of bounce at each club, which is a low progression. This isn't bad in and of itself, but its pretty unique to the MP series of clubs. Check out this video:

 

 

A snap hook despite really good impact numbers because of the attack angle. The other posters are correct that it is in your head, but it also might be that you are subconsciously changing the attack angle into the ball because you know too steep = very bad with the MP series. The MP series are awesome, but an impact mistake and the leading edge digs immediately.

 

Its the only thing that is different compared to other, similar clubs. Try a Razr X MB or a Tour Prototype iron. They have significantly more bounce.

 

Please note this is a guess. Its the only thing that is really unqiue to the MPs.

[m5power]

Mizuno irons are great irons. They also have low bounce. For example, the pitching wedge only has 6* of bounce compared to something like 9 or 11 in the callaway blades. The mizzys typically only go up a degree of bounce at each club, which is a low progression. This isn't bad in and of itself, but its pretty unique to the MP series of clubs. Check out this video:

 

 

A snap hook despite really good impact numbers because of the attack angle. The other posters are correct that it is in your head, but it also might be that you are subconsciously changing the attack angle into the ball because you know too steep = very bad with the MP series. The MP series are awesome, but an impact mistake and the leading edge digs immediately.

 

Its the only thing that is different compared to other, similar clubs. Try a Razr X MB or a Tour Prototype iron. They have significantly more bounce.

 

Please note this is a guess. Its the only thing that is really unqiue to the MPs.

 

this explains why I never got along with Mizunos. I tend to be on the steep side. most of my misses tend to be ever so slight fat hits. Not a good combo for MP's

[DRRicks]

I'm consistently one club shorter with any Mizuno iron. Some stuff just doesn't fit everyone.

[nanosg]

Umm...this makes no sense. For any club, especially irons, ball flight on a level playing surface is pretty much just swing path and face angle.

 

Hook ball flight results from a inside out, or right, swing path (for right hand swing) and closed face.

 

Lie angle affects face angle, and should really just determine direction and not curve. Offset is negligible with MP irons. Sure, you need to be fitted and shaft can certainly have some effect, but to suggest Mizuno hooks while other irons do not is hard to believe.

[hmurray]

Check the standard lie angle. I believe Mizuno specs are .5 to 1 degree flatter than other OEMs. I did well with Mizuno irons before the internet gave us access to OEM specs (and much more). I play my clubs slightly flatter, so I believe my positive experience was due to the flatter spec.

[pinestreetgolf]

Umm...this makes no sense. For any club, especially irons, ball flight on a level playing surface is pretty much just swing path and face angle.

 

He's not iron byron. Lots of things influence how a player creates swing path and face angle. If I made an iron 3x bigger than current ones and bright lime green and you couldn't hit it straight I wouldn't just sneer at you and tell you its swing path and face angle.

 

Hook ball flight results from a inside out, or right, swing path (for right hand swing) and closed face.

 

This isn't correct either. "Closed face" is too imprecise. You can have a face that is closed to the target or to the path. You can hit a hook outside-in (outside-in path, clubface closed to both the target and the path).

 

Lie angle affects face angle, and should really just determine direction and not curve. Offset is negligible with MP irons. Sure, you need to be fitted and shaft can certainly have some effect, but to suggest Mizuno hooks while other irons do not is hard to believe.

 

"Shaft can certainly have some effect" is the understatement of the year. I'll give you a 50 gram ladies flex iron shaft in a MP-57 four iron and lets see you pound it straight.

[jgrogan]

I have a post on here I started that is somewhat the same.

 

I had the mp5 and they looked closed to me. I had a buddy watching my swing and tells me the club is closed at address without me saying something to him about that.

 

I hit my other set fine same specs. I have moved to the 900 tours now to try them. They do not look closed at address.

[nanosg]

Umm...this makes no sense. For any club, especially irons, ball flight on a level playing surface is pretty much just swing path and face angle.

 

He's not iron byron. Lots of things influence how a player creates swing path and face angle. If I made an iron 3x bigger than current ones and bright lime green and you couldn't hit it straight I wouldn't just sneer at you and tell you its swing path and face angle.

 

Hook ball flight results from a inside out, or right, swing path (for right hand swing) and closed face.

 

This isn't correct either. "Closed face" is too imprecise. You can have a face that is closed to the target or to the path. You can hit a hook outside-in (outside-in path, clubface closed to both the target and the path).

 

Lie angle affects face angle, and should really just determine direction and not curve. Offset is negligible with MP irons. Sure, you need to be fitted and shaft can certainly have some effect, but to suggest Mizuno hooks while other irons do not is hard to believe.

 

"Shaft can certainly have some effect" is the understatement of the year. I'll give you a 50 gram ladies flex iron shaft in a MP-57 four iron and lets see you pound it straight.

 

I think the point to make here is that it is generally far more the strike than the club.

 

And if you made a giant club that would sneer at you, as noted by the previous poster, the physical laws would remain the same. And, are we really talking about the difference between a men's shaft vs. a ladies flex in an iron- really? But with the right strike, yes, you can alter the ball flight on any club. I can hit my daughter's US Kids irons and wife's ladies flex irons straight, maybe not as consistent as I would want with my project x 6.5s, but straight in general and even with my usual fade, and bet you the 1.8 handicap could everyday of the week.

 

Agree though, that you could come outside in with a closed face to the target and it would "hook", but only as long as the club face was closed to the path, and in this case, would just cause a dreadful pull hook way left.

 

Again, as noted previously, can't identify any property of a Mizuno MP iron that makes it hook biased.

[tigerfan23]

I am a decent ball striker and also hook MP irons - The 15s and 25s go left on me - same specs, same swing as AP2.... Funny who knows why

[GHIN n Juice]

Check the standard lie angle. I believe Mizuno specs are .5 to 1 degree flatter than other OEMs. I did well with Mizuno irons before the internet gave us access to OEM specs (and much more). I play my clubs slightly flatter, so I believe my positive experience was due to the flatter spec.

 

I believe this to be true as well. My 55s came 1 degree flatter than a set of TM SLDRs I was playing at the time.

[Socrates]

I really don't think you need to go deeper than the AP2's come with round grips and the Mizuno's come with a ribbed grip. You might not like where the ribbed grip places your hands resulting in a closed face at impact. I like ribbed grips, but they have to be a little open. Any time I use a club that has a ribbed grip set up neutral, I hook them.

[kiwii]

I'd attribute it to the feel of the head. Ap2 have a heavier feel where as the mp mizunos have a lighter feel which allows you to turn over the club more. That's the only major factor I can think of that would cause you to hook. In addition with the slightly shorter lengths you might be turning over the mizunos too much since they are "lighter" in feel

 

 

[dmeeksDC]

They definitely are 1/4 inch shorter than U.S. standard and that is just one more thing I like about them. It does not make a massive difference but a 37.75 inch 5 iron just feels more controllable to me, especially since it is not uncommon to see other brands creeping up in length in search of distance. I can handle a 38 inch 5 iron, but when they get to 38.25 or 38.5, I notice it.

 

I have long arms for my height, so the 1/4 inch trim fits me. I love Mizuno irons and I don't hook them at all. If anything they tend to have less offset and I find them easier to fade.

 

They are in general lower bounce than other irons but they don't seem to dig on me. I like how they move through the ground but you do need to be proficient at keeping your divot ahead of the ball. I look at the front edge of the ball when I swing, not the back, and I find that helps me stay forward through the shot, swing through it, and take divots out in front of the ball.

[JeffreySpicoli]

Mizuno iron heads have more magnetism than other manufacturers' heads.

 

Given this greater magnetism and the fact that you are north of the equator, Mizuno heads will always hook.

 

The only fix for this is to demagnetize the heads.

[Socrates]

Mizuno iron heads have more magnetism than other manufacturers' heads.

 

Given this greater magnetism and the fact that you are north of the equator, Mizuno heads will always hook.

 

The only fix for this is to demagnetize the heads.

But if you are hitting the ball north to south, the Coriolis Force will counteract that and the ball should go straight.

[JeffreySpicoli]

Mizuno iron heads have more magnetism than other manufacturers' heads.

 

Given this greater magnetism and the fact that you are north of the equator, Mizuno heads will always hook.

 

The only fix for this is to demagnetize the heads.

But if you are hitting the ball north to south, the Coriolis Force will counteract that and the ball should go straight.

 

Yes, but I've found that antimagnetism ferrules are often in use unwittingly. This causes a counter-polarization that will have unseemly effects when Coriolis Force comes into play.