PXG - It's About Time to give them a try

[BirdieBob]

AND a BIG Congrats to Charl Schwartzel on his 2nd place finish in the PLAYERs!

 

WITB:

http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1595086-charl-schwartzel-witb-2018-genesis-open/

[BlackDiamondPar5]

Many will spend a lot of money on a luxury car that will get to the grocery store no better than a cheaper car....BUT the nicer interior, sound system, luxury ride all makes it worth the extra $ spent to obtain that driving experience.

 

Still waiting for an answer from Tiger!

So the only difference in pxg and other clubs is comfort?

 

 

BREAKIING NEWS!! You could say that about any club.

 

Good luck on your search for the Holly Grail club.

I'm not searching. Once you have properly fit clubs that you enjoy its up to the operator.

 

It's those selling pxg hype that are trying to sell them as a holy grail = smoke and mirrors.

 

Why is it "smoke and mirrors" when PXG does it but not when TM, Cally and others do it? I really don't get all the hate or should I say jealousy. Play what you like, like what you play and let others do the same. Agree completely its the operator with properly fitted clubs.

Oh trust me... I agree 99% of all club marketing is smoke and mirrors. I constantly bust on my friends that are changing clubs frequently hoping to find some holy grail. I got two friends that just replaced good Irons for something new. One guy didn't even try them, he purchased based on reviews. Crazy if you ask me. I'll be secretly tracking their handicap change over the next 12 months :)

[BlackDiamondPar5]

Many will spend a lot of money on a luxury car that will get to the grocery store no better than a cheaper car....BUT the nicer interior, sound system, luxury ride all makes it worth the extra $ spent to obtain that driving experience.

 

Still waiting for an answer from Tiger!

So the only difference in pxg and other clubs is comfort?

 

 

No...Like several other irons from other oem the PXG iron is at the top of the list in performance based upon the monitor data I have seen.

BUT......unlike these other irons the PXG offers more...better feel, sound, looks and that is what I was after when I tried them for the first time.

 

So, bottom line is the PXG iron offers top performance with unmatched feel, sound, looks IMHO.

 

And if that isn't good enough to lower your handicap, I suggest practice and possibly lessions and that includes the putting green.

 

I highly suggest you try them to find out for yourself!

Maybe I will someday Bob. But frankly clubs are not what's blocking me from playing better, it's reps and practice. Besides to really do it right, finding the right clubs to play is really a fair amount of time and effort.

[dlygrisse]

Pxg, it’s like the Beatles AND Pink Floyd!

 

More like Zeppelin.

[ppauls1978]

I'll be secretly tracking their handicap change over the next 12 months :)

 

 

why? you sound like a fun guy to play with.

 

It's none of your business if they like to try new clubs.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

I'll be secretly tracking their handicap change over the next 12 months :)

 

 

why? you sound like a fun guy to play with.

 

It's none of your business if they like to try new clubs.

You're right, I am fun. I've been part of the same fun group for 2 decades and busting each others chops is one of our hallmarks, including guys whom are always buying new clubs (also inevitably selling what didn't work out for them). Sorry if you don't have friends that close.

[ppauls1978]

I'll be secretly tracking their handicap change over the next 12 months :)

 

 

why? you sound like a fun guy to play with.

 

It's none of your business if they like to try new clubs.

You're right, I am fun. I've been part of the same fun group for 2 decades and busting each others chops is one of our hallmarks, including guys whom are always buying new clubs (also inevitably selling what didn't work out for them). Sorry if you don't have friends that close.

 

If i golfed with guys who secretly kept track of my HC whenever I bought new stuff I would find new guys to golf with.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

I'll be secretly tracking their handicap change over the next 12 months :)

 

 

why? you sound like a fun guy to play with.

 

It's none of your business if they like to try new clubs.

You're right, I am fun. I've been part of the same fun group for 2 decades and busting each others chops is one of our hallmarks, including guys whom are always buying new clubs (also inevitably selling what didn't work out for them). Sorry if you don't have friends that close.

 

If i golfed with guys who secretly kept track of my HC whenever I bought new stuff I would find new guys to golf with.

That's OK. Not everyone is compatible.

[Nessism]

In golf equipment terms there are a lot of different reasons people change clubs including a desire to improve scores, desire to experiment, adding variety into their games through different feel, look, offset, etc. In other words, don't be judgemental of others just because they don't share your personal opinion on what's best and what clubs to play.

 

Regarding PXG being "distance" irons, Taylormade called out PXG as using a cavity filler that was "a COR killer." Assuming this is true the irons should be nicely consistent in terms of distance. I think the new Gen 2 version PXG is going after distance with a new filler though. Nothing wrong with that I suppose, just different. I wouldn't expect them to be quite as consistent is all.

[SEP1006]

When you say "I think the new Gen 2 version PXG is going after distance with a new filler though. Nothing wrong with that I suppose, just different. I wouldn't expect them to be quite as consistent is all." You couldn't be further from the truth. The Gen 2's are the most consistent, forgiving and best feeling club I have ever hit, for me that is. Not saying that any club maker, including PXG is not going to boast more distance. But I don't see in any way that this is what they were solely after.

[gioguy21]

When you say "I think the new Gen 2 version PXG is going after distance with a new filler though. Nothing wrong with that I suppose, just different. I wouldn't expect them to be quite as consistent is all." You couldn't be further from the truth. The Gen 2's are the most consistent, forgiving and best feeling club I have ever hit, for me that is. Not saying that any club maker, including PXG is not going to boast more distance. But I don't see in any way that this is what they were solely after.

ego is indeed their modus operandi -- you're seriously suggesting they don't want to go after distance? for goodness sakes, the catch phrase is 'kaboom baby'

[Nessism]

You couldn't be further from the truth. The Gen 2's are the most consistent, forgiving and best feeling club I have ever hit, for me that is. Not saying that any club maker, including PXG is not going to boast more distance. But I don't see in any way that this is what they were solely after.

 

Incorrect.

 

This quote is from the PXG website..."COR2 is a vibration dampening material with explosive C.O.R. (coefficient of restitution) properties. PXG’s COR2 Technology delivers higher ball speeds, longer distance, a more consistent response, outstanding accuracy, and an amazing feel at impact."

 

 

COR2 is like a superball. It will add distance but that won't help consistency.

 

 

[BirdieBob]

When you say "I think the new Gen 2 version PXG is going after distance with a new filler though. Nothing wrong with that I suppose, just different. I wouldn't expect them to be quite as consistent is all." You couldn't be further from the truth. The Gen 2's are the most consistent, forgiving and best feeling club I have ever hit, for me that is. Not saying that any club maker, including PXG is not going to boast more distance. But I don't see in any way that this is what they were solely after.

 

 

According to PXG and their robot testing, the dispersion is better with COR2............not sure if that is what you meant?

 

https://Not allowed because of spam.com/first-look-pxg-0311-gen-2-irons/

 

To put hard numbers on it, the new material is 20% faster than TPE, which is one of the reasons why, loft for loft and length for length, GEN 2 irons produce 1-2 MPH more ball speed than the original. That gets you more distance while contributing to a higher trajectory. COR2’s increased resiliency, along with other design enhancements we’ll discuss in a bit, preserve more ball speed on mis-hits, ultimately yielding an eye-opening 40% tighter dispersion.

That’s a big number.

“The number sounds crazy,” says Brad Schweigert, “but it’s real. It comes from robot testing multiple hit locations. We’re seeing a 40% improvement in dispersion.”

It’s notable that relative to GEN 1’s TPE, PXG is using more of the COR2 material in the upper, middle, and lower regions of the cavity. In addition to the distance and dispersion benefits, it’s that extra bit of goo that PXG says creates an appreciable improvement in sound and feel.

[SEP1006]

When you say "I think the new Gen 2 version PXG is going after distance with a new filler though. Nothing wrong with that I suppose, just different. I wouldn't expect them to be quite as consistent is all." You couldn't be further from the truth. The Gen 2's are the most consistent, forgiving and best feeling club I have ever hit, for me that is. Not saying that any club maker, including PXG is not going to boast more distance. But I don't see in any way that this is what they were solely after.

ego is indeed their modus operandi -- you're seriously suggesting they don't want to go after distance? for goodness sakes, the catch phrase is 'kaboom baby'

 

 

 

 

 

 

I didn't say they don't want to go after distance, I said it wasn't what they were solely after.

 

 

You couldn't be further from the truth. The Gen 2's are the most consistent, forgiving and best feeling club I have ever hit, for me that is. Not saying that any club maker, including PXG is not going to boast more distance. But I don't see in any way that this is what they were solely after.

 

Incorrect.

 

This quote is from the PXG website..."COR2 is a vibration dampening material with explosive C.O.R. (coefficient of restitution) properties. PXG’s COR2 Technology delivers higher ball speeds, longer distance, a more consistent response, outstanding accuracy, and an amazing feel at impact."

 

 

COR2 is like a superball. It will add distance but that won't help consistency.

 

 

 

 

Again I didn't say they weren't going after distance, just not their main goal. You answered it yourself in your response "outstanding accuracy, and an amazing feel at impact."

[RN4LGolfer]

Ah, the typical Golf WRX PXG thread, where some peoples only intention is too talk crap about a product they've never played or tested.

[farmer]

If PXG is claiming a 40% improvement in dispersion, they must be comparing meticulously fitted irons to an OTR set that is a horrible mismatch to whomever they are using as a model.

[Tommyj]

How many folks who complain about the price of PXG have bounced around from set to set and ultimately spent more than a properly fit set of PXG irons would have cost them if they purchased PXG first? You can put my name at the top of the list. Who's next?

 

This issue is common and has nothing to do with PXG. (also makes for an awesome used club market :))

 

My hypothesis is that any properly fit set will perform as well as a properly fit set of PXG. I still have yet to see any data that shows otherwise.

 

It would be interesting to see a few more tests comparing PXG and other products.

 

Here's a review of PXG done by Tour Experience Golf in Toronto. Gen2 and they also hit the P790 for comparison.

 

[KCCO]

I'll be secretly tracking their handicap change over the next 12 months :)

 

 

why? you sound like a fun guy to play with.

 

It's none of your business if they like to try new clubs.

You're right, I am fun. I've been part of the same fun group for 2 decades and busting each others chops is one of our hallmarks, including guys whom are always buying new clubs (also inevitably selling what didn't work out for them). Sorry if you don't have friends that close.

 

If i golfed with guys who secretly kept track of my HC whenever I bought new stuff I would find new guys to golf with.

This would get annoying I agree....my group knows I like changing equipment and that’s that. No one cares....if I had to “hear it” from my regulars every weekend I’d get annoyed....granted they always want to try what I have in my bag, and that’s fine...

but back to topic, I’ve had my PXG’s, and they are nice, feel good...I like the look, but also like a nice set of MIZZY’s or 718 CB’s bagging now. But my handicap didn’t say any different. I’d like to know what people have seen the biggest change and how much, and is it because they were finally fit for a set of irons? And would probably achieve same results fit with another OEM...or Bob really makes magic happen??

 

IMO a putter that works great for you will move your cap the most if that’s your goal

[NoFancyUsername.]

How many folks who complain about the price of PXG have bounced around from set to set and ultimately spent more than a properly fit set of PXG irons would have cost them if they purchased PXG first? You can put my name at the top of the list. Who's next?

 

This issue is common and has nothing to do with PXG. (also makes for an awesome used club market :))

 

My hypothesis is that any properly fit set will perform as well as a properly fit set of PXG. I still have yet to see any data that shows otherwise.

 

It would be interesting to see a few more tests comparing PXG and other products.

 

Here's a review of PXG done by Tour Experience Golf in Toronto. Gen2 and they also hit the P790 for comparison.

 

 

 

Ian is a very knowledgeable guy. Knows his stuff.

[bladehunter]

I'll be secretly tracking their handicap change over the next 12 months :)

 

 

why? you sound like a fun guy to play with.

 

It's none of your business if they like to try new clubs.

You're right, I am fun. I've been part of the same fun group for 2 decades and busting each others chops is one of our hallmarks, including guys whom are always buying new clubs (also inevitably selling what didn't work out for them). Sorry if you don't have friends that close.

 

If i golfed with guys who secretly kept track of my HC whenever I bought new stuff I would find new guys to golf with.

 

its a secret...so no way to know.... also ... how else do you keep tabs on the sand baggers of the crowd ? you watch what they post

[wrmiller]

its a secret...so no way to know.... also ... how else do you keep tabs on the sand baggers of the crowd ? you watch what they post

 

And people wonder why I like playing alone... ;)

[gioguy21]

its a secret...so no way to know.... also ... how else do you keep tabs on the sand baggers of the crowd ? you watch what they post

 

And people wonder why I like playing alone... ;)

you sandbag yourself as well? lol (just kidding obv)

[BlackDiamondPar5]

I'll be secretly tracking their handicap change over the next 12 months :)

 

 

why? you sound like a fun guy to play with.

 

It's none of your business if they like to try new clubs.

You're right, I am fun. I've been part of the same fun group for 2 decades and busting each others chops is one of our hallmarks, including guys whom are always buying new clubs (also inevitably selling what didn't work out for them). Sorry if you don't have friends that close.

 

If i golfed with guys who secretly kept track of my HC whenever I bought new stuff I would find new guys to golf with.

 

its a secret...so no way to know.... also ... how else do you keep tabs on the sand baggers of the crowd ? you watch what they post

Exactly Blade... Though sandbagging has never been an issue with our large group, some guys are not as judicious posting scores and they need periodic reminding :)

 

Nothing is off limits for good natured busting chops either, including equipment purchase habits. Nothing is off limits for lending a guy in personal crisis a hand either.

[Nessism]

According to PXG and their robot testing, the dispersion is better with COR2............not sure if that is what you meant?

 

https://Not allowed because of spam.co...11-gen-2-irons/

 

To put hard numbers on it, the new material is 20% faster than TPE, which is one of the reasons why, loft for loft and length for length, GEN 2 irons produce 1-2 MPH more ball speed than the original. That gets you more distance while contributing to a higher trajectory. COR2’s increased resiliency, along with other design enhancements we’ll discuss in a bit, preserve more ball speed on mis-hits, ultimately yielding an eye-opening 40% tighter dispersion.

That’s a big number.

“The number sounds crazy,” says Brad Schweigert, “but it’s real. It comes from robot testing multiple hit locations. We’re seeing a 40% improvement in dispersion.”

It’s notable that relative to GEN 1’s TPE, PXG is using more of the COR2 material in the upper, middle, and lower regions of the cavity. In addition to the distance and dispersion benefits, it’s that extra bit of goo that PXG says creates an appreciable improvement in sound and feel.

 

I'd love to see the data. And no, that's not a dig on PXG whatsoever. I just want to see the data, all the data, so we can see how well the club performs. Gen 2 vs Gen 1 on similar strikes. Compare the different models in terms of forgiveness on different strike locations on the face. And then add in some competitors clubs. This is the sort of data NOBODY publishes. Why?

[KCCO]

If dispersion is 40% better with gen 2 vs gen 1 that doesn’t say much for gen 1’s which we’re supposed to be the best iron made. Or says a whole lot for gen 2 making them the most incredible iron ever made...can’t wait to see the percentage gen 3’s improve upon.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

Lots of player stats on PGA tour site. Would be interested in tracking scoring stats before and after for players that made the change :)

[duffer987]

 

I'd love to see the data. And no, that's not a dig on PXG whatsoever. I just want to see the data, all the data, so we can see how well the club performs. Gen 2 vs Gen 1 on similar strikes. Compare the different models in terms of forgiveness on different strike locations on the face. And then add in some competitors clubs. This is the sort of data NOBODY publishes. Why?

 

C'mon Ness, it goes against the American Exceptionalism Parsons uses to prop up his whole PXG venture.

It's all about more more more, better better better: period.

 

No one wants to see comparison data of where we hit our foul balls; those are loser swings.

Down the middle, off the screws, time and time again: period. And at $300/pop or whatever they go for, that's just to confirm their excellence ;)

[chisag]

Oh trust me... I agree 99% of all club marketing is smoke and mirrors.

 

... "Oh trust me" sounds like you are ready to run for office. So all shafts are the same? Higher launch, more spin and a softer tip for better performance is the same as lower launch, less spin and a stiffer tip for more control is PT Barnum stuff? HZRDUS with stiffer tips and Even Flow with the concept of waves uniformly releasing is smoke and mirrors? Yup, grab a Sub Zero or Epic and expect the same results ignoring the 99% marketing claims of Callaway about Jailbreak technology that almost every independent testing revealed a higher ball speed. PXG and P790's are more forgiving and longer than other players irons? LOL, just marketing folks. I am always chagrined at those that come on an equipment forum and insist all marketing is "smoke and mirrors".

[Nessism]

Look, I've got nothing against PXG clubs. To be honest, they seem like the kind of clubs I'd play if they weren't so dang expensive.

 

People bashing just because of the cost should go bark up a different tree because the fans don't care.

 

Fanboys touting superiority should save the rhetoric too because everyone that didn't just fall off the turnip truck knows there are lots of good clubs on the market.

 

And Parson's should save the rhetoric too because it's self defeating.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

Oh trust me... I agree 99% of all club marketing is smoke and mirrors.

 

... "Oh trust me" sounds like you are ready to run for office. So all shafts are the same? Higher launch, more spin and a softer tip for better performance is the same as lower launch, less spin and a stiffer tip for more control is PT Barnum stuff? HZRDUS with stiffer tips and Even Flow with the concept of waves uniformly releasing is smoke and mirrors? Yup, grab a Sub Zero or Epic and expect the same results ignoring the 99% marketing claims of Callaway about Jailbreak technology that almost every independent testing revealed a higher ball speed. PXG and P790's are more forgiving and longer than other players irons? LOL, just marketing folks. I am always chagrined at those that come on an equipment forum and insist all marketing is "smoke and mirrors".

Every new equipment release promises more distance and accuracy. If it were significant handicaps would be lower and weekenders would be driving the ball 600 yards by now.

 

As for proper fitting shafts etc that's always been a factor and nor did I minimize the importance of proper fitting.

 

So yes 99% is smoke and mirrors.