2018 PGA Championship (Master Thread)

[NoTalentLefty]

 

Though Ultra is water.

[jerebear21]

amanda and brooksy sharing a michelob ultra post round interview.

 

My type of people.

[NoTalentLefty]

the course set up was horrible all week....way to easy for a major.....because tiger brought crowds roaring to life it seemed as if there was drama......but getting a birdie on 18 to cut the lead to 2 is not really drama....3 back coming into the last hole was much ado about nothing

 

You sure you were watching the PGA Championship and not a repeat of the U.S. Open? Or are you a counter espionage agent from the USGA?

 

OR

 

Are you trying to be funny or are you stupid?

 

Teeheeheehee

[cardoustie]

Uncle Cardy's thoughts on the PGA:

 

- As an Aussie and former long putter user I wanted Scotty to win ... would've made him a lock for the HOF w 2 majors and a Players and also a big FU to the USGA and R&A

- The PGA knows how to run a major so much better than the clowns at the USGA.

- BK has proven that there can be players that are amazing with a driver and putter in one package.

- BK's 4 iron on 16 reminded me of Stenson's 4i against Phil late at The Open a few years back. Everyone was pulling for a legend (Tiger this time) and that shut everyone up quickly

- apparently working out is not bad for your golf .. who knew?

- Tiger does not intimidate all the current players. His length and long game used to be the best and now it isn't. Though Woodland looked like a deer in the headlights all day

- Tiger is miles ahead of where I thought he'd be this season. A 6th at The Open and now a 2nd at the PGA ... WOW. Ryder Cup lock

- will Phil be picked by Furyk for the RC team in Paris ?

- the fans in Missouri were amazing, thank goodness for limited yelling after shots

- has the whiny and fidgety YJS shot his load and is not coming back to his former powers ?... I've thought this before though.

- Rickie Fowler needs a mental coach. He has the length and the skill set

- great to see all the support for Jarrod Lyle

[Shilgy]

I follow Tiger Tracker on Twitter and most of the replies to his tweets are from Tiger fans who really believe Tiger will shoot 64 or 65 tomorrow. The truth is he's not even going to try to shoot a 64 or a 65. Because that's just not who he is. He has one gear and it's play conservatively and hope everyone else folds. He's not the Arnie or Phil final round swashbuckler type. He's more of a final round accountant. It's why he's never come from behind to win a major. His final round scoring average in his 14 major wins is 69.5. His final round scoring average in his 22 major top tens is 70.4. Not a lot of difference there which means whether he's ahead by two or down by five he's going to play the same game. He's going to go out tomorrow, fire at the pins he's supposed to fire at, play away from the pins he's supposed to play away from, shoot a 67, and hope it's good enough.

hindsight sucks

 

Umm... He's correct some aspects.

 

He went after pins that were accessable... And took advantage of great iron shots. That said, he played to the middle of the green on the majority of the others. He just made putts, saved par from around the green, and escaped jail several times due to three bouts of luck which propelled his round even with trouble off the tee (with irons and the driver).

yes-that is how you go low. But I do agree with you that he needs to get the driver more reliable.

[tsecor]

Erica like stay the F away Jena, this is my tiger booty.

whoa!!! temperature checks at the PGA!!!

 

the course set up was horrible all week....way to easy for a major.....because tiger brought crowds roaring to life it seemed as if there was drama......but getting a birdie on 18 to cut the lead to 2 is not really drama....3 back coming into the last hole was much ado about nothing

 

You sure you were watching the PGA Championship and not a repeat of the U.S. Open? Or are you a counter espionage agent from the USGA?

 

OR

 

Are you trying to be funny or are you stupid?

 

Teeheeheehee

The last line is inappropriate regardless of the "teeheehee" you have there.

[cardoustie]

The new date in May will definitely improve the rankings of the PGA in terms of its place amongst the 4 majors

Good move IMO

[Shilgy]

Almost Hogan-esque ....without the car accident.... but he works out and plays with DJ all the time....knows he can match him shot for shot.... something inside him says the moment isn't too big....has anyone in any sport had a record like this? Almost Eli manning like....got hot twice in his career and closed both times....other than that very mediocre? Reach?

 

I get what youre saying but i dont mix team sports with individual sports but get your vibe.Im basically saying i need to see him get to 10 pga tour wins to believe it. it kind of feels like he went to 3 courses that fit his eye and the rest is history.tremendous driver but i dont believe he wins much more moving forward but i sure could be wrong. the results simply arent there that would show hes about to take off and go on a JT or Rory or DJ or Spieth or heck even Day run over a season. it will be interesting to see what direction he goes moving forward

As you have said it might be because Spieth was ill earlier in the year. But Koepka is miles better than Spieth this year. And Koepla was injured earlier this year was he not?

 

Koepka 13 events 5 top 10's all are top 5's. 1-1-2-2-5 just two cuts missed.

 

Spieth 20 events same 5 top 10's just two are top 5's. Both are a 3rd place finish. 5 cuts missed.

[SwooshLT]

I was at the course all day sat and sun. Does anyone know how I can re-watch the tournament?

:cheesy:

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CBS sports network has replay 11pm-4am eastern....ch 1303 on comcast....look up your local channel

[Komarms]

the course set up was horrible all week....way to easy for a major.....because tiger brought crowds roaring to life it seemed as if there was drama......but getting a birdie on 18 to cut the lead to 2 is not really drama....3 back coming into the last hole was much ado about nothing

 

Salty salty, why did you even watch then?

[nix]

the course set up was horrible all week....way to easy for a major.....because tiger brought crowds roaring to life it seemed as if there was drama......but getting a birdie on 18 to cut the lead to 2 is not really drama....3 back coming into the last hole was much ado about nothing

 

No drama? I'm not sure you know what that word means.

 

When you say course setup, do you mean the course generally? Like what setup changes needed to be made?

[nix]

I was at the course all day sat and sun. Does anyone know how I can re-watch the tournament?

:cheesy:

.

 

 

CBS sports network has replay 11pm-4am eastern....ch 1303 on comcast....look up your local channel

 

found it. Recording it now. Not sure what's so hilarious about wanting to actually get to watch all the stuff I missed from the major golf tournament I attended in person.

[NoTalentLefty]

Erica like stay the F away Jena, this is my tiger booty.

whoa!!! temperature checks at the PGA!!!

the course set up was horrible all week....way to easy for a major.....because tiger brought crowds roaring to life it seemed as if there was drama......but getting a birdie on 18 to cut the lead to 2 is not really drama....3 back coming into the last hole was much ado about nothing

 

You sure you were watching the PGA Championship and not a repeat of the U.S. Open? Or are you a counter espionage agent from the USGA?

 

OR

 

Are you trying to be funny or are you stupid?

 

Teeheeheehee

The last line is inappropriate regardless of the "teeheehee" you have there.

 

No humor??? Must be from the USGA.

[Black'N'Gold]

the course set up was horrible all week....way to easy for a major.....because tiger brought crowds roaring to life it seemed as if there was drama......but getting a birdie on 18 to cut the lead to 2 is not really drama....3 back coming into the last hole was much ado about nothing

 

How exactly was it "way too easy" for a major? The winning score was -16. There's been two masters won at -18, an open and a pga won at -20, and a us open won at -16 (also by Brooks). The PGA did a great job of making the course difficult enough with the rough considering the greens were so soft. And if you don't think there was any drama yesterday, then maybe you just shouldn't watch golf anymore.

[Marco]

I follow Tiger Tracker on Twitter and most of the replies to his tweets are from Tiger fans who really believe Tiger will shoot 64 or 65 tomorrow. The truth is he's not even going to try to shoot a 64 or a 65. Because that's just not who he is. He has one gear and it's play conservatively and hope everyone else folds. He's not the Arnie or Phil final round swashbuckler type. He's more of a final round accountant. It's why he's never come from behind to win a major. His final round scoring average in his 14 major wins is 69.5. His final round scoring average in his 22 major top tens is 70.4. Not a lot of difference there which means whether he's ahead by two or down by five he's going to play the same game. He's going to go out tomorrow, fire at the pins he's supposed to fire at, play away from the pins he's supposed to play away from, shoot a 67, and hope it's good enough.

hindsight sucks

 

Umm... He's correct some aspects.

 

He went after pins that were accessable... And took advantage of great iron shots. That said, he played to the middle of the green on the majority of the others. He just made putts, saved par from around the green, and escaped jail several times due to three bouts of luck which propelled his round even with trouble off the tee (with irons and the driver).

yes-that is how you go low. But I do agree with you that he needs to get the driver more reliable.

 

He fired at all the pins when from the fairway, pretty sure he would have went after all of them if driver was 14/14

[nix]

Another note where how many people I spoke to who had never been to a pga tournament (me included). The crowds in person were just as awesome as the crowds on TV. Props to the PGA on how well the tournament was organized.

[StlEER]

Also, let me give you a note about course condition for those of you not in the midwest. In Missouri we mostly have bent grass greens. These are very good surfaces, but it's a cool weather grass. So we have great greens in spring and fall. However in the dead heat of summer, especially when it's been very hot and dry (like this one) you have to water the crap out of them to ensure they don't die. So it's very difficult to firm up the bent grass greens this time of year. It's just the nature of the grass and seasons in missouri.

 

August is one of the worst times to hold a big tournament here. It's generally hotter than heck and the greens are in the worst shape they'll be in all year.

Nix, how would the course have been had the PGA been played in May this year?

 

Would have been ugly. Drought over the winter compounded by a late spring and the courses in STL weren’t green until mid/late may.

[tsecor]

the course set up was horrible all week....way to easy for a major.....because tiger brought crowds roaring to life it seemed as if there was drama......but getting a birdie on 18 to cut the lead to 2 is not really drama....3 back coming into the last hole was much ado about nothing

 

No drama? I'm not sure you know what that word means.

 

When you say course setup, do you mean the course generally? Like what setup changes needed to be made?

I thought with the greens being so soft and slow, the pin placements should have been better. I also did not like the fact they moved some of the tees up 50 yards to take out some of the bunkers on the long holes. I felt the set up was boring and didn't challenge these guys. Way too many scores in the mid 60's, even for average players.

 

to me, the drama was more hype than actual drama....for a minute there, Scott tied it later in the round, but Tigers drama was very overhyped to me....if he didn't bogey 14, it may have been a lot better to me....Tiger making birdie on 18 being down 3 meant nothing outside of the crowd just loving tiger

[nix]

Also, let me give you a note about course condition for those of you not in the midwest. In Missouri we mostly have bent grass greens. These are very good surfaces, but it's a cool weather grass. So we have great greens in spring and fall. However in the dead heat of summer, especially when it's been very hot and dry (like this one) you have to water the crap out of them to ensure they don't die. So it's very difficult to firm up the bent grass greens this time of year. It's just the nature of the grass and seasons in missouri.

 

August is one of the worst times to hold a big tournament here. It's generally hotter than heck and the greens are in the worst shape they'll be in all year.

Nix, how would the course have been had the PGA been played in May this year?

 

Would have been ugly. Drought over the winter compounded by a late spring and the courses in STL weren't green until mid/late may.

 

Yeah. I don''t anticipate ever seeing a PGA in Missouri again with the new May date. It's begging for a disaster. Too unpredictable.

[puttingmatt]

Great win Brooks, what a great year, hope your great play continues.

This player has made majors fun to watch again.

[nix]

the course set up was horrible all week....way to easy for a major.....because tiger brought crowds roaring to life it seemed as if there was drama......but getting a birdie on 18 to cut the lead to 2 is not really drama....3 back coming into the last hole was much ado about nothing

 

No drama? I'm not sure you know what that word means.

 

When you say course setup, do you mean the course generally? Like what setup changes needed to be made?

I thought with the greens being so soft and slow, the pin placements should have been better. I also did not like the fact they moved some of the tees up 50 yards to take out some of the bunkers on the long holes. I felt the set up was boring and didn't challenge these guys. Way too many scores in the mid 60's, even for average players.

 

to me, the drama was more hype than actual drama....for a minute there, Scott tied it later in the round, but Tigers drama was very overhyped to me....if he didn't bogey 14, it may have been a lot better to me....Tiger making birdie on 18 being down 3 meant nothing outside of the crowd just loving tiger

 

17 was moved up on Saturday to give guys a look at eagle. It did take the bunkers out of play, but the players got in different kinds of trouble. It was fun to see it moved up for a round, and then back again for Sunday. I saw many holes in person, but not any coverage on TV, I never had an issue with any pin positions, but I guess they could've been improved. Which ones specifically should have been changed and to where?

[hogans71]

Solo 2nd!!

 

What did tiger woods say about second place?

 

I've seen to forgotten.

I am guessing we all said something in our youth that we feel a bit differently about today.

 

It's called perspective Hoge's. At this point in time his feelings about a big 2nd have changed. In a year there may be more bitter disappointment over a 2nd or he may be off the tour with a broken back.

 

 

Fair enough shilgy- I'm in agreement with you.

 

 

[tsecor]

the course set up was horrible all week....way to easy for a major.....because tiger brought crowds roaring to life it seemed as if there was drama......but getting a birdie on 18 to cut the lead to 2 is not really drama....3 back coming into the last hole was much ado about nothing

 

No drama? I'm not sure you know what that word means.

 

When you say course setup, do you mean the course generally? Like what setup changes needed to be made?

I thought with the greens being so soft and slow, the pin placements should have been better. I also did not like the fact they moved some of the tees up 50 yards to take out some of the bunkers on the long holes. I felt the set up was boring and didn't challenge these guys. Way too many scores in the mid 60's, even for average players.

 

to me, the drama was more hype than actual drama....for a minute there, Scott tied it later in the round, but Tigers drama was very overhyped to me....if he didn't bogey 14, it may have been a lot better to me....Tiger making birdie on 18 being down 3 meant nothing outside of the crowd just loving tiger

 

17 was moved up on Saturday to give guys a look at eagle. It did take the bunkers out of play, but the players got in different kinds of trouble. It was fun to see it moved up for a round, and then back again for Sunday. I saw many holes in person, but not any coverage on TV, I never had an issue with any pin positions, but I guess they could've been improved. Which ones specifically should have been changed and to where?

Take your pick....a lot of them.....even some of the tees....

[nix]

Which pin would you have moved on sunday and to where?

[Komarms]

the course set up was horrible all week....way to easy for a major.....because tiger brought crowds roaring to life it seemed as if there was drama......but getting a birdie on 18 to cut the lead to 2 is not really drama....3 back coming into the last hole was much ado about nothing

 

No drama? I'm not sure you know what that word means.

 

When you say course setup, do you mean the course generally? Like what setup changes needed to be made?

I thought with the greens being so soft and slow, the pin placements should have been better. I also did not like the fact they moved some of the tees up 50 yards to take out some of the bunkers on the long holes. I felt the set up was boring and didn't challenge these guys. Way too many scores in the mid 60's, even for average players.

 

to me, the drama was more hype than actual drama....for a minute there, Scott tied it later in the round, but Tigers drama was very overhyped to me....if he didn't bogey 14, it may have been a lot better to me....Tiger making birdie on 18 being down 3 meant nothing outside of the crowd just loving tiger

 

17 was moved up on Saturday to give guys a look at eagle. It did take the bunkers out of play, but the players got in different kinds of trouble. It was fun to see it moved up for a round, and then back again for Sunday. I saw many holes in person, but not any coverage on TV, I never had an issue with any pin positions, but I guess they could've been improved. Which ones specifically should have been changed and to where?

Take your pick....a lot of them.....even some of the tees....

 

Lol this is just getting ridiculous. Pins were fine man, all are less than 9 paces from a specific edge of the green. Just because the greens are soft doesn’t mean they can start tucking pins 2 paces from an edge or right behind a bunker. It’s a major championship not a joke. Loads of players still shot over par yesterday.

[tsecor]

 

Lol this is just getting ridiculous. Pins were fine man, all are less than 9 paces from a specific edge of the green. Just because the greens are soft doesn’t mean they can start tucking pins 2 paces from an edge or right behind a bunker. It’s a major championship not a joke. Loads of players still shot over par yesterday.

that's what makes debates good....differing opinions....to me, it was a soft set up and I saw a lot of bad golf down the stretch and a lot of decent golf being played by middle of the road pros....club pros shooting -3 at the PGA? its not like he was 300yards off the tee and played it short...to me, it was a soft set up

[Black'N'Gold]

JT was within a stroke of the lead for 9+ holes, Tiger was within 1 for 14+, and Scott was within 1 for 14+, just because Keopka put his foot on their throats in the last three holes doesn't mean it wasn't dramatic the rest of the day. If you finished watching that tournament yesterday feeling let down, you seriously shouldn't watch golf anymore.

[tsecor]

JT was within a stroke of the lead for 9+ holes, Tiger was within 1 for 14+, and Scott was within 1 for 14+, just because Keopka put his foot on their throats in the last three holes doesn't mean it wasn't dramatic the rest of the day. If you finished watching that tournament yesterday feeling let down, you seriously shouldn't watch golf anymore.

JT faded quickly....Tiger couldn't catch up, just like his entire career,...drama comes down the stretch 16,17 and 18 and besides tiger having a good showing (when he found the fairway), koepka was in control....u can say whatever you want, but it was more hype than drama

[Dave230]

As well as lacking a 'slight' like Koepka (Fowler wins the Players on the week he's called overrated - coincidence?), Fowler is maybe missing the firepower to win many events. He is quite good at everything but he won't keep up with Rory and Koepka off the tee, won't play with the iron consistency of Molinari, will chip well but not with many Phil or Tiger magic moments, will putt well but without an ability to hole 30 footers for fun like Spieth at his best.

 

Playing the way he does is good enough for a top 10 in a lot of tournaments, but doesn't really have the firepower to pull himself away I think.

[Shilgy]

So much negativity. Tiger was lucky! Brooks is juicing!

 

This tournament was one for the ages. People can't see that because they are blinded by the BS.

 

Was it though?

I am not going to go back through all leaderboards of time but in spite of the wins being more spread out these days you had minimum 8 future HOF guys in the top 20 including top 3.

Koepka Scott Tiger Thomas Spieth ZJ Rose Day. Plus a few that might get there as their career unfolds but are not yet.