2018 PGA Championship (Master Thread)

[SmoothedOut]

 

Short time? These pics are like 4-5 years apart. A beginner at the gym can put on considerable mass in 6 months.

 

A short time in weightlifting is 12 weeks, not 3-4 years.

 

They aren't.

 

 

I mean he has a good build and is 28 years old with probably awesome trainers. He probably took his diet and working out seriously and it paid off. In no way is he roided and that is a perfectly normal physique that is possible to a young male.

 

This dude has more drugs in him than a CVS pharmacy (allegedly). Him and I are around the same age, I went from a gym rat to a range rate, and to change your body in the way he has and in the amount of time he's done it in is unnatural.

[mjen43]

Short time? These pics are like 4-5 years apart. A beginner at the gym can put on considerable mass in 6 months.

 

A short time in weightlifting is 12 weeks, not 3-4 years.

 

They aren't.

 

That pic was from an 2016 Open Championship article so it is at least 2 years old, and likely more. One can make significant gains as a natty in that length of time, especially on a permabulk as it appears Koepka is. You could put on 30-40 pounds of weight no problem in two years if you aren't going to cut at all.

[JonnyKrasnodar]

I think I'd be laughing if I'm winning bugger all during the year but comfortably winning every other Major. It's a shame people are hating on him because Tiger comes up short again.

[SmoothedOut]

 

That pic was from an 2016 Open Championship article so it is at least 2 years old, and likely more. One can make significant gains as a natty in that length of time, especially on a permabulk as it appears Koepka is. You could put on 30-40 pounds of weight no problem in two years if you aren't going to cut at all.

 

Only a hair follicle test will give us the real answer, everything else is speculation.

[mjen43]

 

That pic was from an 2016 Open Championship article so it is at least 2 years old, and likely more. One can make significant gains as a natty in that length of time, especially on a permabulk as it appears Koepka is. You could put on 30-40 pounds of weight no problem in two years if you aren't going to cut at all.

 

Only a hair follicle test will give us the real answer, everything else is speculation.

 

I don’t really care if he is on PEDs or not though. Wouldn’t change my opinion of him in the slightest.

[SmoothedOut]

That pic was from an 2016 Open Championship article so it is at least 2 years old, and likely more. One can make significant gains as a natty in that length of time, especially on a permabulk as it appears Koepka is. You could put on 30-40 pounds of weight no problem in two years if you aren't going to cut at all.

 

Only a hair follicle test will give us the real answer, everything else is speculation.

 

I don't really care if he is on PEDs or not though. Wouldn't change my opinion of him in the slightest.

 

That's because you seem to be an idolater. How could it not change your opinion of him if it came to light that the man is a cheat, a charlatan, and a fraud?

[mjen43]

That pic was from an 2016 Open Championship article so it is at least 2 years old, and likely more. One can make significant gains as a natty in that length of time, especially on a permabulk as it appears Koepka is. You could put on 30-40 pounds of weight no problem in two years if you aren't going to cut at all.

 

Only a hair follicle test will give us the real answer, everything else is speculation.

 

I don't really care if he is on PEDs or not though. Wouldn't change my opinion of him in the slightest.

 

That's because you seem to be an idolater. How could it not change your opinion of him if it came to light that the man is a cheat, a charlatan, and a fraud?

 

Because I don’t think PEDs are cheating.

[SmoothedOut]

That pic was from an 2016 Open Championship article so it is at least 2 years old, and likely more. One can make significant gains as a natty in that length of time, especially on a permabulk as it appears Koepka is. You could put on 30-40 pounds of weight no problem in two years if you aren't going to cut at all.

 

Only a hair follicle test will give us the real answer, everything else is speculation.

 

I don't really care if he is on PEDs or not though. Wouldn't change my opinion of him in the slightest.

 

That's because you seem to be an idolater. How could it not change your opinion of him if it came to light that the man is a cheat, a charlatan, and a fraud?

 

Because I don't think PEDs are cheating.

 

PEDs will add distance to your game... Distance is basically the only thing that separates the PGA Tour from the the LPGA Tour. With few exceptions, the top players in the world are always longer than average off the tee. Being able to hit the ball farther gives you an advantage. HGH will make you stronger, more strength will mean more club head speed, more club head speed will translate to greater ball speed, greater ball speed will then mean greater carry, it will then follow that more carry will equal an increase in total distance. Not to mention this new found physical strength will make it easier for you to chop the ball out of thick rough.

 

I don't feel like going back up and grabbing the text regarding someone's statement about Tiger in his prime not being able to dominate like he used to because of today's fields being deeper and more competitive. One could argue that if it weren't for Tiger playing the way he did in his prime, we wouldn't see fields as deep and skillful as we're seeing today, so your argument is invalid.

[mjen43]

 

PEDs will add distance to your game... Distance is basically the only thing that separates the PGA Tour from the the LPGA Tour. With few exceptions, the top players in the world are always longer than average off the tee. Being able to hit the ball farther gives you an advantage. HGH will make you stronger, more strength will mean more club head speed, more club head speed will translate to greater ball speed, greater ball speed will then mean greater carry, it will then follow that more carry will equal an increase in total distance. Not to mention this new found physical strength will make it easier for you to chop the ball out of thick rough.

 

I don't feel like going back up and grabbing the text regarding someone's statement about Tiger in his prime not being able to dominate like he used to because of today's fields being deeper and more competitive. One could argue that if it weren't for Tiger playing the way he did in his prime, we wouldn't see fields as deep and skillful as we're seeing today, so your argument is invalid.

 

I know PEDs can do all that stuff, still doesn't make it cheating to me. Sorry, you're not gonna change my mind either.

[imakaveli]

How does Levy get a pass for a DUI where he could have killed someone and Bishop get ousted for words? Words...

 

Link?

[imakaveli]

So does Koepka really have as many majors as Spieth? hmmmm

 

Same number with no rules farce or others chokes on the 18, very well done Brooks!

[SmoothedOut]

 

I know PEDs can do all that stuff, still doesn't make it cheating to me. Sorry, you're not gonna change my mind either.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCAqL-OzrRA

[McCann1]

If roids will help me on those slick downhill left to righters then sign me up!

[OldTomMorris]

Unbelievably good iron play from Woods but I can't recall ever seeing so many errant shots go unpunished especially in major, great spectacle nonetheless.

[straightshot7]

I sure hope he has a win by this time next year or all we'll hear is "he's only 22 months into his comeback".

 

The "only 10 months into his comeback" excuse is getting played out. He's one of the best champions in all of sports history, he didn't forget how to win. The physical ability to do so is obviously there right now. He's healthy, has plenty of distance, and has all the shots. So at this point I think he's "back". Now it's just a question of if and when this level of being back is going to be good enough to close the deal.

 

The idea of it needing a little time is valid. He sat out a long time and wasn't even able to swing a club a year ago.

 

To be back in contention at 2 majors this quickly is a big accomplishment. There are big names that had no injuries who didn't contend at 2 majors.

 

Why don't we just try to enjoy the process and live in the moment instead of placing judgement on what timeline he has to win in.

[Dave230]

Unbelievably good iron play from Woods but I can't recall ever seeing so many errant shots go unpunished especially in major, great spectacle nonetheless.

 

Course was very underwhelming. Saved by the quality of the leaderboard.

[Lancj1]

2019 Masters Live Odds

 

Speith 9-1

Rory 10-1

DJ 11-1

Tiger 12-1 (and dropping fast)

Thomas 12-1

Rickie 14-1

Brooks 16-1 (dropping fast, but behind Rickie???)

Rahm 16-1

Reed 28-1

Phil 33-1

 

Rory won't ever win another major

Ricky won't ever win a major.

Tiger will win one next year

 

My thoughts on those odds

[OldTomMorris]

2019 Masters Live Odds

 

Speith 9-1

Rory 10-1

DJ 11-1

Tiger 12-1 (and dropping fast)

Thomas 12-1

Rickie 14-1

Brooks 16-1 (dropping fast, but behind Rickie???)

Rahm 16-1

Reed 28-1

Phil 33-1

 

Rory won't ever win another major

Ricky won't ever win a major.

Tiger will win one next year

 

My thoughts on those odds

 

Sorry I'd bet on the exact opposite of your predictions.

[playa]

Great show PGA! USGA please take note.

 

Fat chance of that happening.

So you want them to soak the golf course so the ball doesnt move once it hits the ground??

 

Why not? Rewards true accuracy on iron shots, not random bounces and roll dictating proximity to hole.

 

I think there can be a middle ground. I like to see birdies win, not avoiding bogies.

I prefer the USGA philosophy that a par on a hole requires good golf and a birdie excellent golf. And that even par won't lose 5 shots to the field. Majors should be harder than regular events. A war of attrition 4 times a year is not a bad thing.

[imakaveli]

Unbelievably good iron play from Woods but I can't recall ever seeing so many errant shots go unpunished especially in major, great spectacle nonetheless.

 

Course was very underwhelming. Saved by the quality of the leaderboard.

 

Agreed, whithout the Tiger hysteria we would be here hoping not to see this course again (which we probably will)

[straightshot7]

I think there can be a middle ground. I like to see birdies win, not avoiding bogies.

I prefer the USGA philosophy that a par on a hole requires good golf and a birdie excellent golf. And that even par won't lose 5 shots to the field. Majors should be harder than regular events. A war of attrition 4 times a year is not a bad thing.

 

I thought the penalizing rough added a fun element to this PGA .If they just made the rough a tad more penalizing and kept the rest of the course attackable it'd be interesting. Make it a premium to hit the fairway but also keep the course long. That way you have a balance. Extremely getable if you drive it straight, but brutal if you don't .

[SwooshLT]

 

I see him around town often....I'll tell him to pull his head out and win more often! Seriously though, who has a record like this? Darth brought up Harrington....that's about as close as it gets right?

 

I'd love for him to win more events to VALIDATE his majors success.....bass ackwards you know

 

That's rich. The guy needs to win some Honda Classics and Waste Managements, in order to prove that 3 majors were really deserved. :dntknw:

 

 

Listen , he's a 3 Time Major winner with a ton of game.....

If he stays at that total, he will be looked upon as an Andy North type rather Nick Price type player.....more wins moves him into a different echelon IMHO

[the bishop]

Have not yet read preceding posts.

 

Dottie Pepper should have gotten a room for her and Tiger. Talk about biased reporting!

 

 

How do you know she didn’t?

Any port in a storm I guess

[Lancj1]

2019 Masters Live Odds

 

Speith 9-1

Rory 10-1

DJ 11-1

Tiger 12-1 (and dropping fast)

Thomas 12-1

Rickie 14-1

Brooks 16-1 (dropping fast, but behind Rickie???)

Rahm 16-1

Reed 28-1

Phil 33-1

 

Rory won't ever win another major

Ricky won't ever win a major.

Tiger will win one next year

 

My thoughts on those odds

 

Sorry I'd bet on the exact opposite of your predictions.

 

No apology needed

[MattyO1984]

Unbelievably good iron play from Woods but I can't recall ever seeing so many errant shots go unpunished especially in major, great spectacle nonetheless.

 

Course was very underwhelming. Saved by the quality of the leaderboard.

 

Agreed! Very few holes which now, the Monday after, are stuck in the memory. If the PGA wishes to elevate the status of their title, they need to play the event at courses which are not regular tour event courses.

[Holy Moses]

Brooks Koepka is now going to be a World Golf Hall of Famer. The dude never fliched. Incredible golf even though Tiger had a number of opportunities to better him.

 

He really didnt though...

 

LOL keep dreaming. Putt on 1, putt on 11 that didn’t drop, and misplaying 17 when he was on in two yesterday.

[deadsolid...shank]

I sure hope he has a win by this time next year or all we'll hear is "he's only 22 months into his comeback".

 

The "only 10 months into his comeback" excuse is getting played out. He's one of the best champions in all of sports history, he didn't forget how to win. The physical ability to do so is obviously there right now. He's healthy, has plenty of distance, and has all the shots. So at this point I think he's "back". Now it's just a question of if and when this level of being back is going to be good enough to close the deal.

 

The idea of it needing a little time is valid. He sat out a long time and wasn't even able to swing a club a year ago.

 

To be back in contention at 2 majors this quickly is a big accomplishment. There are big names that had no injuries who didn't contend at 2 majors.

 

Why don't we just try to enjoy the process and live in the moment instead of placing judgement on what timeline he has to win in.

 

Never said it isn't a big accomplishment, because after the back surgery it obviously is. However, I'd say a "little time" has has already passed. He's healthy now so it's not a physical issue. So what now is he coming back from? He knows how to win as well as anyone who has ever played.

 

Other big names haven't contended? So what. That's not relevant in any way to this discussion.

 

Im not placing any judgment on when he has to win, I'm simply saying the "only 10 months into his comeback" line is getting weak as an excuse for why he hasn't won. Because at this point that's just what it is, an excuse.

 

 

[jerebear21]

The problem with that argument is 10 months into his return isn’t a weak excuse. Most ACL players don’t get back until year 2 except for Adrian Peterson.

 

Most people with a surgical repair back don’t even play golf again.

 

He’s has 7 top 12s in 14 tournaments including a legit chance to win two majors in the back 9 on a Sunday. Big picture here is this is nothing short of amazing. Obviously I’m guilty of being overly excited when the return began but after seeing this who can blame me.

 

The talent is still there. The eye test tells me he will win again.

[Cincy_Ken]

2019 Masters Live Odds

 

Speith 9-1

Rory 10-1

DJ 11-1

Tiger 12-1 (and dropping fast)

Thomas 12-1

Rickie 14-1

Brooks 16-1 (dropping fast, but behind Rickie???)

Rahm 16-1

Reed 28-1

Phil 33-1

 

Rory won't ever win another major

Ricky won't ever win a major.

Tiger will win one next year

 

My thoughts on those odds

 

I think Rory is too talented not to figure out his wedges/irons.

 

Rickie- has there ever been any player in history who we've discussed as needing to win a major after winning 4 times in 9 years? Rickie could win one, worse players win seemingly every year, but by no means is he a Sergio type whose resume is complete except for the major.

 

Tiger- if he stays healthy I agree although saying next year I'm not sure. If he figures out the tee game he's a top 5 threat to win. I'd put the over/under for him at 1.5 majors over the rest of his career.

[deadsolid...shank]

The problem with that argument is 10 months into his return isn’t a weak excuse. Most ACL players don’t get back until year 2 except for Adrian Peterson.

 

Most people with a surgical repair back don’t even play golf again.

 

He’s has 7 top 12s in 14 tournaments including a legit chance to win two majors in the back 9 on a Sunday. Big picture here is this is nothing short of amazing. Obviously I’m guilty of being overly excited when the return began but after seeing this who can blame me.

 

The talent is still there. The eye test tells me he will win again.

 

I agree Jere. The talent is there, he is healthy. He does look like he will win. Hence my statement. If he is still "coming back", then at this point, what is he coming back from? It's not physical now.

 

So has he forgotten how to win? If by some chance he never wins again (hypothetical here, not a prediction), then did he never make it back?

 

My point is, i think he is "back". But being back now may be just this, contention. With probably some wins sprinkled in. But I think a lot of hardcore fans think he's going to come back to what or where he was previously. That he's going to win damn near every time he tees it up, and completely dominate again.

 

And now, every time he comes close, but doesn't end up on top, we hear it again. The rationalizations (or excuses in my book) for why he didn't win. Because he's still in his comeback.