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I have to know. How on earth did you work in the minions to that screen shot ??

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> > 10.5 stokes gained putting over the field for 4 days at Bethpage.

> > 5.4 strokes gained putting over the field through 1 day at Colonial.

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> > I wonder if those putting statistics will hold up long term....... lol

> Apparently not.

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Gained something with that one on 10!

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> @"North Texas" said:

> I know he's not striping his irons but his driving is equally crappy. Has hit 8 out of 20 fairways so far at Colonial. I'm thinking his poor driving has a lot to do with his iron play. I don't care what the strokes gained stuff show.

 

His worst iron shots have come on par 3s and from the middle of the fairway (like missing green badly from 130 yards). Or his double yesterday, hitting it in the water from 130 yards after a 312 yard drive right down the middle. Using fairways hit as a metric is useless. His iron play absolutely is the issue.

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> @iteachgolf said:

> > @"North Texas" said:

> > I know he's not striping his irons but his driving is equally crappy. Has hit 8 out of 20 fairways so far at Colonial. I'm thinking his poor driving has a lot to do with his iron play. I don't care what the strokes gained stuff show.

>

> His worst iron shots have come on par 3s and from the middle of the fairway (like missing green badly from 130 yards). Or his double yesterday, hitting it in the water from 130 yards after a 312 yard drive right down the middle. Using fairways hit as a metric is useless. His iron play absolutely is the issue.

 

I'm not sure it can be described as "useless".

 

 

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> > @iteachgolf said:

> > > @"North Texas" said:

> > > I know he's not striping his irons but his driving is equally crappy. Has hit 8 out of 20 fairways so far at Colonial. I'm thinking his poor driving has a lot to do with his iron play. I don't care what the strokes gained stuff show.

> >

> > His worst iron shots have come on par 3s and from the middle of the fairway (like missing green badly from 130 yards). Or his double yesterday, hitting it in the water from 130 yards after a 312 yard drive right down the middle. Using fairways hit as a metric is useless. His iron play absolutely is the issue.

>

> I'm not sure it can be described as "useless".

>

>

 

I can as it’s my opinion. Has almost no correlation to success and the leaders of the star or more likely to lose their card than they are to being a top player. Jordan is gaining shots on the field off the tee, even though he’s missing fairways. I can tel you at many events hitting fairways literally isn’t a factor in a single decision and quite often the opposite, they don’t care if they miss the fairway.

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What I want to know if all the “ lucky putter “ conspiracy theorists realize that yesterday was his best putting round stats wise since turning pro. Why didn’t he shoot 12 under ? Lol.

 

Answer. It’s not the putter. It’s not been the putter. He won with a combo of a good putter and excellent irons and wedges on approach. That’s the issue now. Driver and approach. Mostly approach.

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> @iteachgolf said:

> > @"North Texas" said:

> > I know he's not striping his irons but his driving is equally crappy. Has hit 8 out of 20 fairways so far at Colonial. I'm thinking his poor driving has a lot to do with his iron play. I don't care what the strokes gained stuff show.

>

> His worst iron shots have come on par 3s and from the middle of the fairway (like missing green badly from 130 yards). Or his double yesterday, hitting it in the water from 130 yards after a 312 yard drive right down the middle. Using fairways hit as a metric is useless. His iron play absolutely is the issue.

 

100...%. Would be like dwelling on it for Phil. Sometimes I think that man would make more birdies if he had a tree to hit around on every approach.

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> @iteachgolf said:

> > @MattyO1984 said:

> > > @iteachgolf said:

> > > > @"North Texas" said:

> > > > I know he's not striping his irons but his driving is equally crappy. Has hit 8 out of 20 fairways so far at Colonial. I'm thinking his poor driving has a lot to do with his iron play. I don't care what the strokes gained stuff show.

> > >

> > > His worst iron shots have come on par 3s and from the middle of the fairway (like missing green badly from 130 yards). Or his double yesterday, hitting it in the water from 130 yards after a 312 yard drive right down the middle. Using fairways hit as a metric is useless. His iron play absolutely is the issue.

> >

> > I'm not sure it can be described as "useless".

> >

> >

>

> I can as it’s my opinion. Has almost no correlation to success and the leaders of the star or more likely to lose their card than they are to being a top player. Jordan is gaining shots on the field off the tee, even though he’s missing fairways. I can tel you at many events hitting fairways literally isn’t a factor in a single decision and quite often the opposite, they don’t care if they miss the fairway.

 

To be clear, I'm not suggesting that it the most useful statistic, I am simply providing my opinion that it is not a useless statistic.

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> @iteachgolf said:

> > @MattyO1984 said:

> > > @iteachgolf said:

> > > > @"North Texas" said:

> > > > I know he's not striping his irons but his driving is equally crappy. Has hit 8 out of 20 fairways so far at Colonial. I'm thinking his poor driving has a lot to do with his iron play. I don't care what the strokes gained stuff show.

> > >

> > > His worst iron shots have come on par 3s and from the middle of the fairway (like missing green badly from 130 yards). Or his double yesterday, hitting it in the water from 130 yards after a 312 yard drive right down the middle. Using fairways hit as a metric is useless. His iron play absolutely is the issue.

> >

> > I'm not sure it can be described as "useless".

> >

> >

>

> I can as it’s my opinion. Has almost no correlation to success and the leaders of the star or more likely to lose their card than they are to being a top player. Jordan is gaining shots on the field off the tee, even though he’s missing fairways. I can tel you at many events hitting fairways literally isn’t a factor in a single decision and quite often the opposite, they don’t care if they miss the fairway.

 

Jordan ranks 198th in SG off the tee for the season, losing over half a stroke a round. While his most costly shots are coming from the fairway in this tournament, his inaccuracy off of the tee has definitely hurt him with a larger sample size.

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> @Pent08 said:

> > @iteachgolf said:

> > > @MattyO1984 said:

> > > > @iteachgolf said:

> > > > > @"North Texas" said:

> > > > > I know he's not striping his irons but his driving is equally crappy. Has hit 8 out of 20 fairways so far at Colonial. I'm thinking his poor driving has a lot to do with his iron play. I don't care what the strokes gained stuff show.

> > > >

> > > > His worst iron shots have come on par 3s and from the middle of the fairway (like missing green badly from 130 yards). Or his double yesterday, hitting it in the water from 130 yards after a 312 yard drive right down the middle. Using fairways hit as a metric is useless. His iron play absolutely is the issue.

> > >

> > > I'm not sure it can be described as "useless".

> > >

> > >

> >

> > I can as it’s my opinion. Has almost no correlation to success and the leaders of the star or more likely to lose their card than they are to being a top player. Jordan is gaining shots on the field off the tee, even though he’s missing fairways. I can tel you at many events hitting fairways literally isn’t a factor in a single decision and quite often the opposite, they don’t care if they miss the fairway.

>

> Jordan ranks 198th in SG off the tee for the season, losing over half a stroke a round. While his most costly shots are coming from the fairway in this tournament, his inaccuracy off of the tee has definitely hurt him with a larger sample size.

 

And his last few events have been positive strokes gained off the tee. I didn’t say he’s driven it well all year, his driver hasn’t been an issue recently.

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> @iteachgolf said:

> > @Pent08 said:

> > > @iteachgolf said:

> > > > @MattyO1984 said:

> > > > > @iteachgolf said:

> > > > > > @"North Texas" said:

> > > > > > I know he's not striping his irons but his driving is equally crappy. Has hit 8 out of 20 fairways so far at Colonial. I'm thinking his poor driving has a lot to do with his iron play. I don't care what the strokes gained stuff show.

> > > > >

> > > > > His worst iron shots have come on par 3s and from the middle of the fairway (like missing green badly from 130 yards). Or his double yesterday, hitting it in the water from 130 yards after a 312 yard drive right down the middle. Using fairways hit as a metric is useless. His iron play absolutely is the issue.

> > > >

> > > > I'm not sure it can be described as "useless".

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > I can as it’s my opinion. Has almost no correlation to success and the leaders of the star or more likely to lose their card than they are to being a top player. Jordan is gaining shots on the field off the tee, even though he’s missing fairways. I can tel you at many events hitting fairways literally isn’t a factor in a single decision and quite often the opposite, they don’t care if they miss the fairway.

> >

> > Jordan ranks 198th in SG off the tee for the season, losing over half a stroke a round. While his most costly shots are coming from the fairway in this tournament, his inaccuracy off of the tee has definitely hurt him with a larger sample size.

>

> And his last few events have been positive strokes gained off the tee. I didn’t say he’s driven it well all year, his driver hasn’t been an issue recently.

 

He just stated in his post round interview that his driving hasn't been good enough and that the guys leading have hit double that amount of fairways that he has hit over he first two days.

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> What he says/thinks and what the statistics say are two different things.

 

He's hit 46.43% of his fairways over the first two days. Where do you think he is placed on the leaderboard if he had hit 60 or 70% of them?

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> @MattyO1984 said:

> > @iteachgolf said:

> > > @Pent08 said:

> > > > @iteachgolf said:

> > > > > @MattyO1984 said:

> > > > > > @iteachgolf said:

> > > > > > > @"North Texas" said:

> > > > > > > I know he's not striping his irons but his driving is equally crappy. Has hit 8 out of 20 fairways so far at Colonial. I'm thinking his poor driving has a lot to do with his iron play. I don't care what the strokes gained stuff show.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > His worst iron shots have come on par 3s and from the middle of the fairway (like missing green badly from 130 yards). Or his double yesterday, hitting it in the water from 130 yards after a 312 yard drive right down the middle. Using fairways hit as a metric is useless. His iron play absolutely is the issue.

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm not sure it can be described as "useless".

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > I can as it’s my opinion. Has almost no correlation to success and the leaders of the star or more likely to lose their card than they are to being a top player. Jordan is gaining shots on the field off the tee, even though he’s missing fairways. I can tel you at many events hitting fairways literally isn’t a factor in a single decision and quite often the opposite, they don’t care if they miss the fairway.

> > >

> > > Jordan ranks 198th in SG off the tee for the season, losing over half a stroke a round. While his most costly shots are coming from the fairway in this tournament, his inaccuracy off of the tee has definitely hurt him with a larger sample size.

> >

> > And his last few events have been positive strokes gained off the tee. I didn’t say he’s driven it well all year, his driver hasn’t been an issue recently.

>

> He just stated in his post round interview that his driving hasn't been good enough and that the guys leading have hit double that amount of fairways that he has hit over he first two days.

 

Except Tony Finau has hit significantly fewer than him.

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> @iteachgolf said:

> > @Pent08 said:

> > > @iteachgolf said:

> > > > @MattyO1984 said:

> > > > > @iteachgolf said:

> > > > > > @"North Texas" said:

> > > > > > I know he's not striping his irons but his driving is equally crappy. Has hit 8 out of 20 fairways so far at Colonial. I'm thinking his poor driving has a lot to do with his iron play. I don't care what the strokes gained stuff show.

> > > > >

> > > > > His worst iron shots have come on par 3s and from the middle of the fairway (like missing green badly from 130 yards). Or his double yesterday, hitting it in the water from 130 yards after a 312 yard drive right down the middle. Using fairways hit as a metric is useless. His iron play absolutely is the issue.

> > > >

> > > > I'm not sure it can be described as "useless".

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > I can as it’s my opinion. Has almost no correlation to success and the leaders of the star or more likely to lose their card than they are to being a top player. Jordan is gaining shots on the field off the tee, even though he’s missing fairways. I can tel you at many events hitting fairways literally isn’t a factor in a single decision and quite often the opposite, they don’t care if they miss the fairway.

> >

> > Jordan ranks 198th in SG off the tee for the season, losing over half a stroke a round. While his most costly shots are coming from the fairway in this tournament, his inaccuracy off of the tee has definitely hurt him with a larger sample size.

>

> And his last few events have been positive strokes gained off the tee. I didn’t say he’s driven it well all year, his driver hasn’t been an issue recently.

 

Gotcha, I was more responding to "Has almost no correlation to success".

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> @iteachgolf said:

> > @MattyO1984 said:

> > > @iteachgolf said:

> > > > @Pent08 said:

> > > > > @iteachgolf said:

> > > > > > @MattyO1984 said:

> > > > > > > @iteachgolf said:

> > > > > > > > @"North Texas" said:

> > > > > > > > I know he's not striping his irons but his driving is equally crappy. Has hit 8 out of 20 fairways so far at Colonial. I'm thinking his poor driving has a lot to do with his iron play. I don't care what the strokes gained stuff show.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > His worst iron shots have come on par 3s and from the middle of the fairway (like missing green badly from 130 yards). Or his double yesterday, hitting it in the water from 130 yards after a 312 yard drive right down the middle. Using fairways hit as a metric is useless. His iron play absolutely is the issue.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'm not sure it can be described as "useless".

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I can as it’s my opinion. Has almost no correlation to success and the leaders of the star or more likely to lose their card than they are to being a top player. Jordan is gaining shots on the field off the tee, even though he’s missing fairways. I can tel you at many events hitting fairways literally isn’t a factor in a single decision and quite often the opposite, they don’t care if they miss the fairway.

> > > >

> > > > Jordan ranks 198th in SG off the tee for the season, losing over half a stroke a round. While his most costly shots are coming from the fairway in this tournament, his inaccuracy off of the tee has definitely hurt him with a larger sample size.

> > >

> > > And his last few events have been positive strokes gained off the tee. I didn’t say he’s driven it well all year, his driver hasn’t been an issue recently.

> >

> > He just stated in his post round interview that his driving hasn't been good enough and that the guys leading have hit double that amount of fairways that he has hit over he first two days.

>

> Except Tony Finau has hit significantly fewer than him.

 

And Jonas Blixt has hit significantly more.

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> @Pent08 said:

> > @iteachgolf said:

> > > @Pent08 said:

> > > > @iteachgolf said:

> > > > > @MattyO1984 said:

> > > > > > @iteachgolf said:

> > > > > > > @"North Texas" said:

> > > > > > > I know he's not striping his irons but his driving is equally crappy. Has hit 8 out of 20 fairways so far at Colonial. I'm thinking his poor driving has a lot to do with his iron play. I don't care what the strokes gained stuff show.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > His worst iron shots have come on par 3s and from the middle of the fairway (like missing green badly from 130 yards). Or his double yesterday, hitting it in the water from 130 yards after a 312 yard drive right down the middle. Using fairways hit as a metric is useless. His iron play absolutely is the issue.

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm not sure it can be described as "useless".

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > I can as it’s my opinion. Has almost no correlation to success and the leaders of the star or more likely to lose their card than they are to being a top player. Jordan is gaining shots on the field off the tee, even though he’s missing fairways. I can tel you at many events hitting fairways literally isn’t a factor in a single decision and quite often the opposite, they don’t care if they miss the fairway.

> > >

> > > Jordan ranks 198th in SG off the tee for the season, losing over half a stroke a round. While his most costly shots are coming from the fairway in this tournament, his inaccuracy off of the tee has definitely hurt him with a larger sample size.

> >

> > And his last few events have been positive strokes gained off the tee. I didn’t say he’s driven it well all year, his driver hasn’t been an issue recently.

>

> Gotcha, I was more responding to "Has almost no correlation to success".

 

Because it doesn’t. Go look at Brooks and Rory’s fairways hit stats. Rory is 163rd on tour in fairways hit yet leads the tour in strokes gained off the tee.

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> @MattyO1984 said:

> > @Krt22 said:

> > What he says/thinks and what the statistics say are two different things.

>

> He's hit 46.43% of his fairways over the first two days. Where do you think he is placed on the leaderboard if he had hit 60 or 70% of them?

 

Maybe one shot lower. He had bogey on 3/4 of the par 3s today, par on both par 5s, bogey. Took a bogey today from 130 out in the fairway, took a double yesterday from a similar distance in the fairway.

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> @MattyO1984 said:

> > @iteachgolf said:

> > > @MattyO1984 said:

> > > > @iteachgolf said:

> > > > > @Pent08 said:

> > > > > > @iteachgolf said:

> > > > > > > @MattyO1984 said:

> > > > > > > > @iteachgolf said:

> > > > > > > > > @"North Texas" said:

> > > > > > > > > I know he's not striping his irons but his driving is equally crappy. Has hit 8 out of 20 fairways so far at Colonial. I'm thinking his poor driving has a lot to do with his iron play. I don't care what the strokes gained stuff show.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > His worst iron shots have come on par 3s and from the middle of the fairway (like missing green badly from 130 yards). Or his double yesterday, hitting it in the water from 130 yards after a 312 yard drive right down the middle. Using fairways hit as a metric is useless. His iron play absolutely is the issue.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I'm not sure it can be described as "useless".

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I can as it’s my opinion. Has almost no correlation to success and the leaders of the star or more likely to lose their card than they are to being a top player. Jordan is gaining shots on the field off the tee, even though he’s missing fairways. I can tel you at many events hitting fairways literally isn’t a factor in a single decision and quite often the opposite, they don’t care if they miss the fairway.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jordan ranks 198th in SG off the tee for the season, losing over half a stroke a round. While his most costly shots are coming from the fairway in this tournament, his inaccuracy off of the tee has definitely hurt him with a larger sample size.

> > > >

> > > > And his last few events have been positive strokes gained off the tee. I didn’t say he’s driven it well all year, his driver hasn’t been an issue recently.

> > >

> > > He just stated in his post round interview that his driving hasn't been good enough and that the guys leading have hit double that amount of fairways that he has hit over he first two days.

> >

> > Except Tony Finau has hit significantly fewer than him.

>

> And Jonas Blixt has hit significantly more.

 

And despite that, Finau is better in SG off the tee. Blixt is in first mainly due to his iron play

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> @Krt22 said:

> > @MattyO1984 said:

> > > @iteachgolf said:

> > > > @MattyO1984 said:

> > > > > @iteachgolf said:

> > > > > > @Pent08 said:

> > > > > > > @iteachgolf said:

> > > > > > > > @MattyO1984 said:

> > > > > > > > > @iteachgolf said:

> > > > > > > > > > @"North Texas" said:

> > > > > > > > > > I know he's not striping his irons but his driving is equally crappy. Has hit 8 out of 20 fairways so far at Colonial. I'm thinking his poor driving has a lot to do with his iron play. I don't care what the strokes gained stuff show.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > His worst iron shots have come on par 3s and from the middle of the fairway (like missing green badly from 130 yards). Or his double yesterday, hitting it in the water from 130 yards after a 312 yard drive right down the middle. Using fairways hit as a metric is useless. His iron play absolutely is the issue.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I'm not sure it can be described as "useless".

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I can as it’s my opinion. Has almost no correlation to success and the leaders of the star or more likely to lose their card than they are to being a top player. Jordan is gaining shots on the field off the tee, even though he’s missing fairways. I can tel you at many events hitting fairways literally isn’t a factor in a single decision and quite often the opposite, they don’t care if they miss the fairway.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jordan ranks 198th in SG off the tee for the season, losing over half a stroke a round. While his most costly shots are coming from the fairway in this tournament, his inaccuracy off of the tee has definitely hurt him with a larger sample size.

> > > > >

> > > > > And his last few events have been positive strokes gained off the tee. I didn’t say he’s driven it well all year, his driver hasn’t been an issue recently.

> > > >

> > > > He just stated in his post round interview that his driving hasn't been good enough and that the guys leading have hit double that amount of fairways that he has hit over he first two days.

> > >

> > > Except Tony Finau has hit significantly fewer than him.

> >

> > And Jonas Blixt has hit significantly more.

>

> And despite that, Finau is better in SG off the tee. Blixt is in first mainly due to his iron play

 

Finau is 20 yards longer than Blixt. If Blixt was that much shorter and hitting it in the rough there is no way he would be top of the leaderboard.

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> > @"North Texas" said:

> > I know he's not striping his irons but his driving is equally crappy. Has hit 8 out of 20 fairways so far at Colonial. I'm thinking his poor driving has a lot to do with his iron play. I don't care what the strokes gained stuff show.

>

> His worst iron shots have come on par 3s and from the middle of the fairway (like missing green badly from 130 yards). Or his double yesterday, hitting it in the water from 130 yards after a 312 yard drive right down the middle. Using fairways hit as a metric is useless. His iron play absolutely is the issue.

 

Teach is right.His misses on par 3s and out of the fairways have cost him. Hes coming around though slowly but surely. Putting masks alot of that

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> > @Pent08 said:

> > > @iteachgolf said:

> > > > @Pent08 said:

> > > > > @iteachgolf said:

> > > > > > @MattyO1984 said:

> > > > > > > @iteachgolf said:

> > > > > > > > @"North Texas" said:

> > > > > > > > I know he's not striping his irons but his driving is equally crappy. Has hit 8 out of 20 fairways so far at Colonial. I'm thinking his poor driving has a lot to do with his iron play. I don't care what the strokes gained stuff show.

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> > > > > > > His worst iron shots have come on par 3s and from the middle of the fairway (like missing green badly from 130 yards). Or his double yesterday, hitting it in the water from 130 yards after a 312 yard drive right down the middle. Using fairways hit as a metric is useless. His iron play absolutely is the issue.

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> > > > > > I'm not sure it can be described as "useless".

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> > > > > I can as it’s my opinion. Has almost no correlation to success and the leaders of the star or more likely to lose their card than they are to being a top player. Jordan is gaining shots on the field off the tee, even though he’s missing fairways. I can tel you at many events hitting fairways literally isn’t a factor in a single decision and quite often the opposite, they don’t care if they miss the fairway.

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> > > > Jordan ranks 198th in SG off the tee for the season, losing over half a stroke a round. While his most costly shots are coming from the fairway in this tournament, his inaccuracy off of the tee has definitely hurt him with a larger sample size.

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> > > And his last few events have been positive strokes gained off the tee. I didn’t say he’s driven it well all year, his driver hasn’t been an issue recently.

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> > Gotcha, I was more responding to "Has almost no correlation to success".

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> Because it doesn’t. Go look at Brooks and Rory’s fairways hit stats. Rory is 163rd on tour in fairways hit yet leads the tour in strokes gained off the tee.

 

Right, but Rory is 2nd on Tour in driving distance, averaging nearly 20 more yards. I take your point, but only in the sense that accuracy means progressively less as driving distance increases. Spieth hits the ball plenty far, but not far enough to discount the importance of accuracy.

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