Can WRX start a new section for "Better Players" PLEEEEEASE (changed from Scratch)

[GoIrish17]

> @Barfolomew said:

> > @GoIrish17 said:

> > I don't understand why a scratch golfer wouldn't just use the present forum that is appropriate for their question, and then sift through the responses to see what is responseful and useful to them (kind of how every single other post goes). It's just like any other topic here - you throw your topic out into the ether, and then sit back and figure out what responses most address what you're hoping to have a conversation about, and which to just ignore. I'd guess a scratch golfer wouldn't have much trouble separating the wheat from the chaff when reading through the responses.

>

> That's a lot of chaff..... a lot

>

> It's not like it's hard...... push button push button push button Boooom new sub forum! wow that was easy

>

> Think it should be called "Better Players" instead of "Scratch" even though it is in air quotes cause so many stuck on that label lol... anal retentive golfers be anal retentive golfers haha

>

>

 

Of all the things this iteration of the site is lacking, you think just throwing up a new sub forum is as easy as hitting a button three times? No coding involved at all, no man hours required? If that were true, it’d make the sting of no feedback burn even worse.

 

And, to make myself clear, I agree wholeheartedly about a lot of chaff in threads. It happens all over on here. Ask about a specific club and others’ experience with it, and you’ll get at least an equal amount of responses about other clubs, which ones posters like better than the one you’re asking about, why their favorite brand is better than the one you’re asking about... It happens in the DonD forum when folks ask opinions on authenticity. People who have no idea, and are just taking a wild guess like it’s a “find the difference” exercise in a child’s activity book, chime in with their opinion. People just want to get involved. It can get frustrating, but people shouldn’t be forbidden from participating just because they may give an answer to a post that others don’t find as helpful as they’d hope. No one is under any obligation to participate back, if they don’t appreciate another member’s participation. No one gets offended if you just keep scrolling right on by that post.

 

[Hawkeye77]

Just one of the nuggets out of some follow up from OP: "you're still stuck (like your swing)". Other thoughts expressed sort of reveal what I'm still hoping it wasn't about, but sure appears to be - i.e., responders must be upset, you know, like when they play golf, that's why they don't shoot par. :o

 

I'm not sure that's scratch quality "banter" like the OP says he wants to promote (never been a problem with "plus" level banter in this place, lol) - as well as a place where he can post with others of a like mind (I know plenty of players scratch/better who love talking golf/golf swing with anyone because, well you know, it's really about the GOLF, not "their" golf).

 

Start the threads, they'll thrive or wither on their merits, probably be just fine.

 

Among those who keep handicaps, so the numbers are skewed pretty low since most don't, single digit handicaps are within the ranks of "better players" and mid-handicaps are also firmly within the ranks of "better players" (whatever that means). But you have to be "scratch" . . . . . . .

 

Just kind of surprising the tack that was taken after some comments were made, and really don't figure the OP for truly being elitist at heart.

 

 

[RH82]

Really dumb idea.

[DavePelz4]

> @Hateto3Putt said:

> I hear Dave Pelz has a handicap of **16**. Stay away!

> I vote no girls allowed either.

 

Sadly, updated for accuracy...

[DavePelz4]

> @Barfolomew said:

> Yes I am a professional master debater..... i just don't get paid for it

Didn't Estelle Costenza ask George if he could get a job like that...something to do with a Vanity Fair perhaps?

 

[cxx]

There have been several definitions that have floated around the site for a "scratch" golfer. I don't think there is any consensus on what that means. Some have said a zero + index, some say par shooters from the tips of all courses. What does the OP mean by "scratch"

[Barfolomew]

Today on Undisputed with Skip and Shannon:

Shannon is saying how its good that Jason Kidd will be able to communicate on a higher level with Lebron cause they are both great players and how he (Shannon Sharpe) can relate as he has different level conversations with other great top football players that he couldn't have with others cause they just don't get it..... doesn't mean a rook can't be there to listen, learn and participate its just nice the conversation is predominately steered towards a higher level of knowledge of the game without being inundated by rookie talk.

 

Even talkin about a better players forum is more fun then a lot of threads around here.... just imagine how much fun a better players forum would be... oh I can't wait!

[J13]

I agree with the premise. We used to have HCP under our avatar which helped determine the type of player you were talking to.

[Barfolomew]

Hey Mods where you at...... why don't a few Mods jump in here and join the discussion? Shirley your take on it will help the discussion... thanks

[Barfolomew]

> @Hawkeye77 said:

> Just one of the nuggets out of some follow up from OP: "you're still stuck (like your swing)". Other thoughts expressed sort of reveal what I'm still hoping it wasn't about, but sure appears to be - i.e., responders must be upset, you know, like when they play golf, that's why they don't shoot par. :o

>

> I'm not sure that's scratch quality "banter" like the OP says he wants to promote (never been a problem with "plus" level banter in this place, lol) - as well as a place where he can post with others of a like mind (I know plenty of players scratch/better who love talking golf/golf swing with anyone because, well you know, it's really about the GOLF, not "their" golf).

>

> Start the threads, they'll thrive or wither on their merits, probably be just fine.

>

> Among those who keep handicaps, so the numbers are skewed pretty low since most don't, single digit handicaps are within the ranks of "better players" and mid-handicaps are also firmly within the ranks of "better players" (whatever that means). But you have to be "scratch" . . . . . . .

>

> Just kind of surprising the tack that was taken after some comments were made, and **really don't figure the OP for truly being elitist at heart.**

>

>

 

Thanks for the vote of confidence.... I'm about as elitist as the gum on the bottom of your shoe hahaha or Eddie Murphy trying to be like Dan Aykroyd in Trading Places...... I can just hit a ball with a stick ok like lots of people..... no biggie

[P.E.]

> @Barfolomew said:

> Hey Mods where you at...... why don't a few Mods jump in here and join the discussion? Shirley your take on it will help the discussion... thanks

 

Who is Shirley? LOL

[Pepperturbo]

I agree with the OP as well as another poster that said it would be difficult to police better players forum as well as for it to grow. IMO there are not nearly as many scratch and plus golfers actively posting on Golfwrx, as there are, say, single-digit golfers.

 

The more common problem in many threads is some people want to express their opinion even when it has no subject merit. Furthermore, too many bogey + and or insecure golfers want to be thought of as equal to better amateurs, while confusing the difference between what differentiates the segments. That's when they personalize the separation. LOL, Could they be part of the give'em a trophy for showing up segment? That's when that certain segment of people classify others as elitists. Notwithstanding, I recognize why some people desire a better players forum. To argue in defense of one's belief based on the personal assessment illustrates why some people want a better players forum. Have a good day.

 

 

[P.E.]

> @Pepperturbo said:

> I agree with the OP as well as another poster that said it would be difficult to police better players forum as well as for it to grow. IMO there are not nearly as many scratch and plus golfers actively posting on Golfwrx, as there are, say, single-digit golfers.

>

> The more common problem in many threads is some people want to express their opinion even when it has no subject merit. Furthermore, too many bogey + and or insecure golfers want to be thought of as equal to better amateurs, while confusing the difference between what differentiates the segments. That's when they personalize the separation. LOL, Could they be part of the give'em a trophy for showing up segment? That's when that certain segment of people classify others as elitists. Notwithstanding, I recognize why some people desire a better players forum. To argue in defense of one's belief based on the personal assessment illustrates why some people want a better players forum. Have a good day.

>

>

If you want to be part of a public forum then you have to deal with all aspects of being part of that public forum.

 

If you want to be part of a private forum create an invitation only group on another platform.

 

 

[Pepperturbo]

> @"P.E." said:

> > @Pepperturbo said:

> > I agree with the OP as well as another poster that said it would be difficult to police better players forum as well as for it to grow. IMO there are not nearly as many scratch and plus golfers actively posting on Golfwrx, as there are, say, single-digit golfers.

> >

> > The more common problem in many threads is some people want to express their opinion even when it has no subject merit. Furthermore, too many bogey + and or insecure golfers want to be thought of as equal to better amateurs, while confusing the difference between what differentiates the segments. That's when they personalize the separation. LOL, Could they be part of the give'em a trophy for showing up segment? That's when that certain segment of people classify others as elitists. Notwithstanding, I recognize why some people desire a better players forum. To argue in defense of one's belief based on the personal assessment illustrates why some people want a better players forum. Have a good day.

> >

> >

> If you want to be part of a public forum then you have to deal with all aspects of being part of that public forum.

>

> If you want to be part of a private forum create an invitation only group on another platform.

>

>

 

Golfwrx can provide both if they so chose. If you don't qualify, create an invitation-only group for your skill level on another platform. There you have it.

[P.E.]

> @Pepperturbo said:

> > @"P.E." said:

> > > @Pepperturbo said:

> > > I agree with the OP as well as another poster that said it would be difficult to police better players forum as well as for it to grow. IMO there are not nearly as many scratch and plus golfers actively posting on Golfwrx, as there are, say, single-digit golfers.

> > >

> > > The more common problem in many threads is some people want to express their opinion even when it has no subject merit. Furthermore, too many bogey + and or insecure golfers want to be thought of as equal to better amateurs, while confusing the difference between what differentiates the segments. That's when they personalize the separation. LOL, Could they be part of the give'em a trophy for showing up segment? That's when that certain segment of people classify others as elitists. Notwithstanding, I recognize why some people desire a better players forum. To argue in defense of one's belief based on the personal assessment illustrates why some people want a better players forum. Have a good day.

> > >

> > >

> > If you want to be part of a public forum then you have to deal with all aspects of being part of that public forum.

> >

> > If you want to be part of a private forum create an invitation only group on another platform.

> >

> >

>

> Golfwrx can provide both if they so chose. If you don't qualify, create an invitation-only group for your skill level on another platform. There you have it.

 

Don't be hard on yourself.

I am sure that you will find a group that you can fit into.

[dcmidnight]

> @Barfolomew said:

> Hey Mods where you at...... why don't a few Mods jump in here and join the discussion?

 

Honestly? I think this is one of the most ludicrous ideas that I've read so far - in a forum full of "helpful" topics and ludicrous ideas.

 

There you go.

[braincramp52]

> @dcmidnight said:

> > @Barfolomew said:

> > Hey Mods where you at...... why don't a few Mods jump in here and join the discussion?

>

> Honestly? I think this is one of the most ludicrous ideas that I've read so far - in a forum full of "helpful" topics and ludicrous ideas.

>

> There you go.

 

Thank you!

[J13]

> @dcmidnight said:

> > @Barfolomew said:

> > Hey Mods where you at...... why don't a few Mods jump in here and join the discussion?

>

> Honestly? I think this is one of the most ludicrous ideas that I've read so far - in a forum full of "helpful" topics and ludicrous ideas.

>

> There you go.

 

Is the board planning on adding back HCP under the avatar like it was before platforms changed?

[dcmidnight]

> @J13 said:

> > @dcmidnight said:

> > > @Barfolomew said:

> > > Hey Mods where you at...... why don't a few Mods jump in here and join the discussion?

> >

> > Honestly? I think this is one of the most ludicrous ideas that I've read so far - in a forum full of "helpful" topics and ludicrous ideas.

> >

> > There you go.

>

> Is the board planning on adding back HCP under the avatar like it was before platforms changed?

 

Sorry but I have absolutely no idea. The mods have had zero say and have been zero percent involved in any of the recent board software changes.

[Pepperturbo]

> @"P.E." said:

> > @Pepperturbo said:

> > > @"P.E." said:

> > > > @Pepperturbo said:

> > > > I agree with the OP as well as another poster that said it would be difficult to police better players forum as well as for it to grow. IMO there are not nearly as many scratch and plus golfers actively posting on Golfwrx, as there are, say, single-digit golfers.

> > > >

> > > > The more common problem in many threads is some people want to express their opinion even when it has no subject merit. Furthermore, too many bogey + and or insecure golfers want to be thought of as equal to better amateurs, while confusing the difference between what differentiates the segments. That's when they personalize the separation. LOL, Could they be part of the give'em a trophy for showing up segment? That's when that certain segment of people classify others as elitists. Notwithstanding, I recognize why some people desire a better players forum. To argue in defense of one's belief based on the personal assessment illustrates why some people want a better players forum. Have a good day.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > If you want to be part of a public forum then you have to deal with all aspects of being part of that public forum.

> > >

> > > If you want to be part of a private forum create an invitation only group on another platform.

> > >

> > >

> >

> > Golfwrx can provide both if they so chose. If you don't qualify, create an invitation-only group for your skill level on another platform. There you have it.

>

> Don't be hard on yourself.

> I am sure that you will find a group that you can fit into.

 

Thank you for your sensitivity. It so helps me get through the day having to meet the expectations of a 2-3 index. Can't imagine you coping with some ungodly high index.

[J13]

> @dcmidnight said:

> > @J13 said:

> > > @dcmidnight said:

> > > > @Barfolomew said:

> > > > Hey Mods where you at...... why don't a few Mods jump in here and join the discussion?

> > >

> > > Honestly? I think this is one of the most ludicrous ideas that I've read so far - in a forum full of "helpful" topics and ludicrous ideas.

> > >

> > > There you go.

> >

> > Is the board planning on adding back HCP under the avatar like it was before platforms changed?

>

> Sorry but I have absolutely no idea. The mods have had zero say and have been zero percent involved in any of the recent board software changes.

 

No problem

[P.E.]

> @Pepperturbo said:

> > @"P.E." said:

> > > @Pepperturbo said:

> > > > @"P.E." said:

> > > > > @Pepperturbo said:

> > > > > I agree with the OP as well as another poster that said it would be difficult to police better players forum as well as for it to grow. IMO there are not nearly as many scratch and plus golfers actively posting on Golfwrx, as there are, say, single-digit golfers.

> > > > >

> > > > > The more common problem in many threads is some people want to express their opinion even when it has no subject merit. Furthermore, too many bogey + and or insecure golfers want to be thought of as equal to better amateurs, while confusing the difference between what differentiates the segments. That's when they personalize the separation. LOL, Could they be part of the give'em a trophy for showing up segment? That's when that certain segment of people classify others as elitists. Notwithstanding, I recognize why some people desire a better players forum. To argue in defense of one's belief based on the personal assessment illustrates why some people want a better players forum. Have a good day.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > If you want to be part of a public forum then you have to deal with all aspects of being part of that public forum.

> > > >

> > > > If you want to be part of a private forum create an invitation only group on another platform.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > Golfwrx can provide both if they so chose. If you don't qualify, create an invitation-only group for your skill level on another platform. There you have it.

> >

> > Don't be hard on yourself.

> > I am sure that you will find a group that you can fit into.

>

> Thank you for your sensitivity. It so helps me get through the day having to meet the expectations of a 2-3 index. Can't imagine you coping with some ungodly high index.

You are welcome.

Not sure why you would ask but I cope very well with people who claim ungodly high indexes and those who claim low-mid single digit indexes.

 

[nsxguy]

> @GoIrish17 said:

> > @Barfolomew said:

> > > @GoIrish17 said:

> > > I don't understand why a scratch golfer wouldn't just use the present forum that is appropriate for their question, and then sift through the responses to see what is responseful and useful to them (kind of how every single other post goes). It's just like any other topic here - you throw your topic out into the ether, and then sit back and figure out what responses most address what you're hoping to have a conversation about, and which to just ignore. I'd guess a scratch golfer wouldn't have much trouble separating the wheat from the chaff when reading through the responses.

> >

> > That's a lot of chaff..... a lot

> >

> > It's not like it's hard...... push button push button push button Boooom new sub forum! wow that was easy

> >

> > Think it should be called "Better Players" instead of "Scratch" even though it is in air quotes cause so many stuck on that label lol... anal retentive golfers be anal retentive golfers haha

> >

> >

>

> Of all the things this iteration of the site is lacking, you think just throwing up a new sub forum is as easy as hitting a button three times? No coding involved at all, no man hours required? If that were true, it’d make the sting of no feedback burn even worse.

>

 

Do you have any experience with such things ?

 

Although I don't have experience specific to this board and its software, I have a LOT of experience with software in general.

 

I'd be VERY surprised if adding a new forum was much more difficult than hitting a few buttons and setting up some "permissions". NO coding per se and few man hours (probably < 0).

 

After all, the packaged software is already in place to create BOARD forums. So the ability to pretty much add (or delete) whatever forums the administrators want to is already done. All-in-all, a relatively minor set of changes that wouldn't take much time at all.

 

Now adding back the feedback ? If the board software isn't already set up for such a thing, BRAND NEW software needs to written and integrated into the existing board software. MUCH more time consuming and programming intensive.

[bladehunter]

> @GoIrish17 said:

> I don't understand why a scratch golfer wouldn't just use the present forum that is appropriate for their question, and then sift through the responses to see what is responseful and useful to them (kind of how every single other post goes). It's just like any other topic here - you throw your topic out into the ether, and then sit back and figure out what responses most address what you're hoping to have a conversation about, and which to just ignore. I'd guess a scratch golfer wouldn't have much trouble separating the wheat from the chaff when reading through the responses.

 

The issue the OP is trying to address is to do away with all the flaming that happens when certain questions or topics get brought up.

 

I can’t tell you how many topics I’ve discussed behind closed doors with like minded people , simply because starting the thread publicly will cause an instant flame fest, which ultimately leads to an off topic rant , which suppresses real answers etc.

[rgk5]

The real problem with this idea is that at least 50% of the people who will claim they are "scratch" are not. You will need real names with real USGA numbers. Good luck with that.

[GoIrish17]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @GoIrish17 said:

> > I don't understand why a scratch golfer wouldn't just use the present forum that is appropriate for their question, and then sift through the responses to see what is responseful and useful to them (kind of how every single other post goes). It's just like any other topic here - you throw your topic out into the ether, and then sit back and figure out what responses most address what you're hoping to have a conversation about, and which to just ignore. I'd guess a scratch golfer wouldn't have much trouble separating the wheat from the chaff when reading through the responses.

>

> The issue the OP is trying to address is to do away with all the flaming that happens when certain questions or topics get brought up.

>

> I can’t tell you how many topics I’ve discussed behind closed doors with like minded people , simply because starting the thread publicly will cause an instant flame fest, which ultimately leads to an off topic rant , which suppresses real answers etc.

 

That’s what happens with any questions in a public forum. You sift through the answers and take what’s useful and responsive to your question and leave the rest. If someone’s feelings are too sensitive to overlook a troll comment, then I doubt a whole new safe place for them is going to help.

 

It sucks that you have to deal with trolls that derail discussions here. But, it’s not like it’s only the good golfers who experience this in some form on GolfWRX. There’s lots of divisive topics here that will bring the trolls out in force. It’s what you do with those comments that effects your experience. It sucks when the bandwidth is clogged with unresponsive posts in threads, but sometimes that is what you have to deal with here. Everyone has their own agenda, and it’s not always to keep discussions on topic, unfortunately. If the site were to start creating safe spaces for every polarizing topic, the site would become impossible to navigate.

 

That, and the already mentioned enforcement of the handicap requirement for the new, exclusive scratch golfer forum. I have a feeling there’s a lot more “internet scratch” golfers than real life scratch golfers here.

 

 

[bladehunter]

> @GoIrish17 said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @GoIrish17 said:

> > > I don't understand why a scratch golfer wouldn't just use the present forum that is appropriate for their question, and then sift through the responses to see what is responseful and useful to them (kind of how every single other post goes). It's just like any other topic here - you throw your topic out into the ether, and then sit back and figure out what responses most address what you're hoping to have a conversation about, and which to just ignore. I'd guess a scratch golfer wouldn't have much trouble separating the wheat from the chaff when reading through the responses.

> >

> > The issue the OP is trying to address is to do away with all the flaming that happens when certain questions or topics get brought up.

> >

> > I can’t tell you how many topics I’ve discussed behind closed doors with like minded people , simply because starting the thread publicly will cause an instant flame fest, which ultimately leads to an off topic rant , which suppresses real answers etc.

>

> That’s what happens with any questions in a public forum. You sift through the answers and take what’s useful and responsive to your question and leave the rest. If someone’s feelings are too sensitive to overlook a troll comment, then I doubt a whole new safe place for them is going to help.

>

> It sucks that you have to deal with trolls that derail discussions here. But, it’s not like it’s only the good golfers who experience this in some form on GolfWRX. There’s lots of divisive topics here that will bring the trolls out in force. It’s what you do with those comments that effects your experience. It sucks when the bandwidth is clogged with unresponsive posts in threads, but sometimes that is what you have to deal with here. Everyone has their own agenda, and it’s not always to keep discussions on topic, unfortunately. If the site were to start creating safe spaces for every polarizing topic, the site would become impossible to navigate.

>

> That, and the already mentioned enforcement of the handicap requirement for the new, exclusive scratch golfer forum. I have a feeling there’s a lot more “internet scratch” golfers than real life scratch golfers here.

>

>

 

I’m just saying that I agree with him that certain topics bring the troll out in some people. Disproportionately so. Some people do not believe that there are literally thousands of regular ams out there that walk among us , who hit the ball as far or farther than pga tour averages. In relative control. Start asking questions that include a mention of a 185 yard 7 iron and putting troubles together and you’ll hear the groans. Or my favorite. Mention Net play as a plus handicap. The first likely response you’ll get is “ just play better “. As if a plus has some switch to flip that a 12 handicap doesn’t. I don’t think the section would work. But. I do understand the want for it.

[HiTrajLoSpin]

Hey, @Barfolomew is just trying to prevent "basket of deplorable" hackers from commenting in his exceptional golfers sub-forum ... what's wrong with that? ;)

[justasgood]

Elitism.....?

[bladehunter]

Lol. I posted what I posted just to draw some of these comments out. Thanks for the illustrations. This is exactly what happens