Tom Watson to join Jack and Gary on Masters 1st tee ?

[KennyP]

> @KRAMER1997 said:

> Reed, Bubba, and Sergio will be honorary starters in the year 2050.

Can you imagine that? Bubba would be in floods of tears. Reed could shush him and the crowd. And then Sergio could hurl his driver down the fairway and kick his shoe at the starter!

 

[Oliver Klozoff]

Rules: done playing all the 4 majors, not active on the Senior Tour, have 2+ Masters wins, and 5+ total major wins.

That's a select group.

Watson and Faldo would be next.

Tiger and Phil would be after that.

Nobody else meets the criteria (yet)

[scruffynick]

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> > > > > > > > Tom Watson, Ben Crenshaw and Jose Maria can handle the duties after Jack and Gary, and until Faldo is ready. Much later, Phil and Tiger if they are able.

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> > > > > > > Why bother? They would go from legends of the game to pretty good players (Watson is a great but not at the Nicklaus, Palmer, Nelson, Snead, Player level).

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> > > > > > Some might debate that with Watson at 8 majors, and Player of the Year more than a few times.

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> > > > > I could see Watson at most. The others you mentioned, not really. The Masters hasn't always had ceremonial starters. It has skipped for years at a time when there weren't players that fit the role ready to do it. Since 1980 there has been Gene Sarazen, Byron Nelson, Sam Snead, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus and Gary Player. I don't see Crenshaw or Olazabal or Faldo as being right for it. Maybe Watson, maybe not.

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> > > > Curious why not faldo..... Won it 3 times and was the man to beat for best on a decade. Couldn't think of a better choice in the future

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> > > Oh please. To go from Nelson, Snead, Arnie, Jack, and Player to Faldo?

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> > He's won 6 friggin majors....so oh please, in my eyes he's ahead of Nelson. He's won the masters 3 times so in my eyes worth being a starter in the future

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> Faldo is no legend. Won’t happen.

 

Are you serious? Come to the UK and say that, he's a sporting icon and one of our greatest ever spietsman .....so very much a legend

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> > > > > > > > > Tom Watson, Ben Crenshaw and Jose Maria can handle the duties after Jack and Gary, and until Faldo is ready. Much later, Phil and Tiger if they are able.

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> > > > > > > > Why bother? They would go from legends of the game to pretty good players (Watson is a great but not at the Nicklaus, Palmer, Nelson, Snead, Player level).

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> > > > > > > Some might debate that with Watson at 8 majors, and Player of the Year more than a few times.

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> > > > > > I could see Watson at most. The others you mentioned, not really. The Masters hasn't always had ceremonial starters. It has skipped for years at a time when there weren't players that fit the role ready to do it. Since 1980 there has been Gene Sarazen, Byron Nelson, Sam Snead, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus and Gary Player. I don't see Crenshaw or Olazabal or Faldo as being right for it. Maybe Watson, maybe not.

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> > > > > Curious why not faldo..... Won it 3 times and was the man to beat for best on a decade. Couldn't think of a better choice in the future

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> > > > Oh please. To go from Nelson, Snead, Arnie, Jack, and Player to Faldo?

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> > > He's won 6 friggin majors....so oh please, in my eyes he's ahead of Nelson. He's won the masters 3 times so in my eyes worth being a starter in the future

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> > Faldo is no legend. Won’t happen.

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> Are you serious? Come to the UK and say that, he's a sporting icon and one of our greatest ever spietsman .....so very much a legend

 

In the UK. So let him hit a ceremonial first ball at the Open. He doesn't meet the standard for the Masters.

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> > > > > > > > > > Tom Watson, Ben Crenshaw and Jose Maria can handle the duties after Jack and Gary, and until Faldo is ready. Much later, Phil and Tiger if they are able.

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> > > > > > > > > Why bother? They would go from legends of the game to pretty good players (Watson is a great but not at the Nicklaus, Palmer, Nelson, Snead, Player level).

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> > > > > > > > Some might debate that with Watson at 8 majors, and Player of the Year more than a few times.

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> > > > > > > I could see Watson at most. The others you mentioned, not really. The Masters hasn't always had ceremonial starters. It has skipped for years at a time when there weren't players that fit the role ready to do it. Since 1980 there has been Gene Sarazen, Byron Nelson, Sam Snead, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus and Gary Player. I don't see Crenshaw or Olazabal or Faldo as being right for it. Maybe Watson, maybe not.

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> > > > > > Curious why not faldo..... Won it 3 times and was the man to beat for best on a decade. Couldn't think of a better choice in the future

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> > > > > Oh please. To go from Nelson, Snead, Arnie, Jack, and Player to Faldo?

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> > > > He's won 6 friggin majors....so oh please, in my eyes he's ahead of Nelson. He's won the masters 3 times so in my eyes worth being a starter in the future

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> > > Faldo is no legend. Won’t happen.

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> > Are you serious? Come to the UK and say that, he's a sporting icon and one of our greatest ever spietsman .....so very much a legend

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> In the UK. So let him hit a ceremonial first ball at the Open. He doesn't meet the standard for the Masters.

 

Is that what Fred Ridley told you?

 

[3whacker]

Watson can still shoot his age, until he stops doing that he isn't a "ceremonial" type golfer....

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> > > > > > > > > > Tom Watson, Ben Crenshaw and Jose Maria can handle the duties after Jack and Gary, and until Faldo is ready. Much later, Phil and Tiger if they are able.

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> > > > > > > > > Why bother? They would go from legends of the game to pretty good players (Watson is a great but not at the Nicklaus, Palmer, Nelson, Snead, Player level).

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> > > > > > > > Some might debate that with Watson at 8 majors, and Player of the Year more than a few times.

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> > > > > > > I could see Watson at most. The others you mentioned, not really. The Masters hasn't always had ceremonial starters. It has skipped for years at a time when there weren't players that fit the role ready to do it. Since 1980 there has been Gene Sarazen, Byron Nelson, Sam Snead, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus and Gary Player. I don't see Crenshaw or Olazabal or Faldo as being right for it. Maybe Watson, maybe not.

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> > > > > > Curious why not faldo..... Won it 3 times and was the man to beat for best on a decade. Couldn't think of a better choice in the future

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> > > > > Oh please. To go from Nelson, Snead, Arnie, Jack, and Player to Faldo?

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> > > > He's won 6 friggin majors....so oh please, in my eyes he's ahead of Nelson. He's won the masters 3 times so in my eyes worth being a starter in the future

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> > > Faldo is no legend. Won’t happen.

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> > Are you serious? Come to the UK and say that, he's a sporting icon and one of our greatest ever spietsman .....so very much a legend

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> In the UK. So let him hit a ceremonial first ball at the Open. He doesn't meet the standard for the Masters.

He's won it 3 times..... I repeat 3 friggin times.... Please explain the standard of the masters when faldo has been a major part of its history. More deserving than most that's without doubt, I suspect if he was American you'll have a different tune

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> > > > > > > > > > > Tom Watson, Ben Crenshaw and Jose Maria can handle the duties after Jack and Gary, and until Faldo is ready. Much later, Phil and Tiger if they are able.

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> > > > > > > > > > Why bother? They would go from legends of the game to pretty good players (Watson is a great but not at the Nicklaus, Palmer, Nelson, Snead, Player level).

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> > > > > > > > > Some might debate that with Watson at 8 majors, and Player of the Year more than a few times.

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> > > > > > > > I could see Watson at most. The others you mentioned, not really. The Masters hasn't always had ceremonial starters. It has skipped for years at a time when there weren't players that fit the role ready to do it. Since 1980 there has been Gene Sarazen, Byron Nelson, Sam Snead, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus and Gary Player. I don't see Crenshaw or Olazabal or Faldo as being right for it. Maybe Watson, maybe not.

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> > > > > > > Curious why not faldo..... Won it 3 times and was the man to beat for best on a decade. Couldn't think of a better choice in the future

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> > > > > > Oh please. To go from Nelson, Snead, Arnie, Jack, and Player to Faldo?

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> > > > > He's won 6 friggin majors....so oh please, in my eyes he's ahead of Nelson. He's won the masters 3 times so in my eyes worth being a starter in the future

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> > > > Faldo is no legend. Won’t happen.

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> > > Are you serious? Come to the UK and say that, he's a sporting icon and one of our greatest ever spietsman .....so very much a legend

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> > In the UK. So let him hit a ceremonial first ball at the Open. He doesn't meet the standard for the Masters.

> He's won it 3 times..... I repeat 3 friggin times.... Please explain the standard of the masters when faldo has been a major part of its history. More deserving than most that's without doubt, I suspect if he was American you'll have a different tune

 

The standard is a legend of golf. He is not. Transitioning Watson in would be fine and he can hold the position until Tiger is ready.

[Shilgy]

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Tom Watson, Ben Crenshaw and Jose Maria can handle the duties after Jack and Gary, and until Faldo is ready. Much later, Phil and Tiger if they are able.

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> > > > > > > > > > > Why bother? They would go from legends of the game to pretty good players (Watson is a great but not at the Nicklaus, Palmer, Nelson, Snead, Player level).

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> > > > > > > > > > Some might debate that with Watson at 8 majors, and Player of the Year more than a few times.

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> > > > > > > > > I could see Watson at most. The others you mentioned, not really. The Masters hasn't always had ceremonial starters. It has skipped for years at a time when there weren't players that fit the role ready to do it. Since 1980 there has been Gene Sarazen, Byron Nelson, Sam Snead, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus and Gary Player. I don't see Crenshaw or Olazabal or Faldo as being right for it. Maybe Watson, maybe not.

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> > > > > > > > Curious why not faldo..... Won it 3 times and was the man to beat for best on a decade. Couldn't think of a better choice in the future

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> > > > > > > Oh please. To go from Nelson, Snead, Arnie, Jack, and Player to Faldo?

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> > > > > > He's won 6 friggin majors....so oh please, in my eyes he's ahead of Nelson. He's won the masters 3 times so in my eyes worth being a starter in the future

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> > > > > Faldo is no legend. Won’t happen.

> > > >

> > > > Are you serious? Come to the UK and say that, he's a sporting icon and one of our greatest ever spietsman .....so very much a legend

> > >

> > > In the UK. So let him hit a ceremonial first ball at the Open. He doesn't meet the standard for the Masters.

> > He's won it 3 times..... I repeat 3 friggin times.... Please explain the standard of the masters when faldo has been a major part of its history. More deserving than most that's without doubt, I suspect if he was American you'll have a different tune

>

> The standard is a legend of golf. He is not. Transitioning Watson in would be fine and he can hold the position until Tiger is ready.

 

Let me ask you simple question. Let's say some folks are correct and the age of the dominant player is over. There are just too many great players for any one player to dominate. By extrapolation we know that means that the wins will/would be spread out amongst more players. What then? No ceremonial tee off at the Masters because no one meets your standards? It really is the same question asked for Hall of Fame criteria. Rather than the Hall being a place for the best of every era some folks get too hung up on the idea that the standards are 20+ wins and 2/3/4 majors. It is the same issue in baseball. 300 wins is not going to happen in pitching. 3000 hits is rarely if ever going to happen for hitters.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom Watson, Ben Crenshaw and Jose Maria can handle the duties after Jack and Gary, and until Faldo is ready. Much later, Phil and Tiger if they are able.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Why bother? They would go from legends of the game to pretty good players (Watson is a great but not at the Nicklaus, Palmer, Nelson, Snead, Player level).

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> > > > > > > > > > > Some might debate that with Watson at 8 majors, and Player of the Year more than a few times.

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> > > > > > > > > > I could see Watson at most. The others you mentioned, not really. The Masters hasn't always had ceremonial starters. It has skipped for years at a time when there weren't players that fit the role ready to do it. Since 1980 there has been Gene Sarazen, Byron Nelson, Sam Snead, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus and Gary Player. I don't see Crenshaw or Olazabal or Faldo as being right for it. Maybe Watson, maybe not.

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> > > > > > > > > Curious why not faldo..... Won it 3 times and was the man to beat for best on a decade. Couldn't think of a better choice in the future

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> > > > > > > > Oh please. To go from Nelson, Snead, Arnie, Jack, and Player to Faldo?

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> > > > > > > He's won 6 friggin majors....so oh please, in my eyes he's ahead of Nelson. He's won the masters 3 times so in my eyes worth being a starter in the future

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> > > > > > Faldo is no legend. Won’t happen.

> > > > >

> > > > > Are you serious? Come to the UK and say that, he's a sporting icon and one of our greatest ever spietsman .....so very much a legend

> > > >

> > > > In the UK. So let him hit a ceremonial first ball at the Open. He doesn't meet the standard for the Masters.

> > > He's won it 3 times..... I repeat 3 friggin times.... Please explain the standard of the masters when faldo has been a major part of its history. More deserving than most that's without doubt, I suspect if he was American you'll have a different tune

> >

> > The standard is a legend of golf. He is not. Transitioning Watson in would be fine and he can hold the position until Tiger is ready.

>

> Let me ask you simple question. Let's say some folks are correct and the age of the dominant player is over. There are just too many great players for any one player to dominate. By extrapolation we know that means that the wins will/would be spread out amongst more players. What then? No ceremonial tee off at the Masters because no one meets your standards? It really is the same question asked for Hall of Fame criteria. Rather than the Hall being a place for the best of every era some folks get too hung up on the idea that the standards are 20+ wins and 2/3/4 majors. It is the same issue in baseball. 300 wins is not going to happen in pitching. 3000 hits is rarely if ever going to happen for hitters.

 

We really won't have to consider your hypothetical for another 30-40 years. I don't agree with the theory that no one can dominate again. (With respect baseball, 3000 hits will keep happening.)

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> > > > > > > > > > > Tom Watson, Ben Crenshaw and Jose Maria can handle the duties after Jack and Gary, and until Faldo is ready. Much later, Phil and Tiger if they are able.

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> > > > > > > > > > Why bother? They would go from legends of the game to pretty good players (Watson is a great but not at the Nicklaus, Palmer, Nelson, Snead, Player level).

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> > > > > > > > > Some might debate that with Watson at 8 majors, and Player of the Year more than a few times.

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> > > > > > > > I could see Watson at most. The others you mentioned, not really. The Masters hasn't always had ceremonial starters. It has skipped for years at a time when there weren't players that fit the role ready to do it. Since 1980 there has been Gene Sarazen, Byron Nelson, Sam Snead, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus and Gary Player. I don't see Crenshaw or Olazabal or Faldo as being right for it. Maybe Watson, maybe not.

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> > > > > > > Curious why not faldo..... Won it 3 times and was the man to beat for best on a decade. Couldn't think of a better choice in the future

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> > > > > > Oh please. To go from Nelson, Snead, Arnie, Jack, and Player to Faldo?

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> > > > Faldo is no legend. Won’t happen.

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> > > Are you serious? Come to the UK and say that, he's a sporting icon and one of our greatest ever spietsman .....so very much a legend

> >

> > In the UK. So let him hit a ceremonial first ball at the Open. He doesn't meet the standard for the Masters.

> He's won it 3 times..... I repeat 3 friggin times.... Please explain the standard of the masters when faldo has been a major part of its history. More deserving than most that's without doubt, I suspect if he was American you'll have a different tune

 

Plus he's a Knight so that's some good cachet right there ; )

[Shilgy]

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom Watson, Ben Crenshaw and Jose Maria can handle the duties after Jack and Gary, and until Faldo is ready. Much later, Phil and Tiger if they are able.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Why bother? They would go from legends of the game to pretty good players (Watson is a great but not at the Nicklaus, Palmer, Nelson, Snead, Player level).

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Some might debate that with Watson at 8 majors, and Player of the Year more than a few times.

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> > > > > > > > > > > I could see Watson at most. The others you mentioned, not really. The Masters hasn't always had ceremonial starters. It has skipped for years at a time when there weren't players that fit the role ready to do it. Since 1980 there has been Gene Sarazen, Byron Nelson, Sam Snead, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus and Gary Player. I don't see Crenshaw or Olazabal or Faldo as being right for it. Maybe Watson, maybe not.

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> > > > > > > > > > Curious why not faldo..... Won it 3 times and was the man to beat for best on a decade. Couldn't think of a better choice in the future

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> > > > > > > > > Oh please. To go from Nelson, Snead, Arnie, Jack, and Player to Faldo?

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> > > > > > > > He's won 6 friggin majors....so oh please, in my eyes he's ahead of Nelson. He's won the masters 3 times so in my eyes worth being a starter in the future

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> > > > > > > Faldo is no legend. Won’t happen.

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> > > > > > Are you serious? Come to the UK and say that, he's a sporting icon and one of our greatest ever spietsman .....so very much a legend

> > > > >

> > > > > In the UK. So let him hit a ceremonial first ball at the Open. He doesn't meet the standard for the Masters.

> > > > He's won it 3 times..... I repeat 3 friggin times.... Please explain the standard of the masters when faldo has been a major part of its history. More deserving than most that's without doubt, I suspect if he was American you'll have a different tune

> > >

> > > The standard is a legend of golf. He is not. Transitioning Watson in would be fine and he can hold the position until Tiger is ready.

> >

> > Let me ask you simple question. Let's say some folks are correct and the age of the dominant player is over. There are just too many great players for any one player to dominate. By extrapolation we know that means that the wins will/would be spread out amongst more players. What then? No ceremonial tee off at the Masters because no one meets your standards? It really is the same question asked for Hall of Fame criteria. Rather than the Hall being a place for the best of every era some folks get too hung up on the idea that the standards are 20+ wins and 2/3/4 majors. It is the same issue in baseball. 300 wins is not going to happen in pitching. 3000 hits is rarely if ever going to happen for hitters.

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> We really won't have to consider your hypothetical for another 30-40 years. I don't agree with the theory that no one can dominate again. (With respect baseball, 3000 hits will keep happening.)

 

Certainly not at the frequency of the past.

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/H_active.shtml

[Hankshank]

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> > > > > > > > > > Tom Watson, Ben Crenshaw and Jose Maria can handle the duties after Jack and Gary, and until Faldo is ready. Much later, Phil and Tiger if they are able.

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> > > > > > > > > Why bother? They would go from legends of the game to pretty good players (Watson is a great but not at the Nicklaus, Palmer, Nelson, Snead, Player level).

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> > > > > > > > Some might debate that with Watson at 8 majors, and Player of the Year more than a few times.

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> > > > > > > I could see Watson at most. The others you mentioned, not really. The Masters hasn't always had ceremonial starters. It has skipped for years at a time when there weren't players that fit the role ready to do it. Since 1980 there has been Gene Sarazen, Byron Nelson, Sam Snead, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus and Gary Player. I don't see Crenshaw or Olazabal or Faldo as being right for it. Maybe Watson, maybe not.

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> > > > > > Curious why not faldo..... Won it 3 times and was the man to beat for best on a decade. Couldn't think of a better choice in the future

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> > > > > Oh please. To go from Nelson, Snead, Arnie, Jack, and Player to Faldo?

> > > > >

> > > > >

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> > > >

> > > > He's won 6 friggin majors....so oh please, in my eyes he's ahead of Nelson. He's won the masters 3 times so in my eyes worth being a starter in the future

> > >

> > > Faldo is no legend. Won’t happen.

> >

> > Are you serious? Come to the UK and say that, he's a sporting icon and one of our greatest ever spietsman .....so very much a legend

>

> In the UK. So let him hit a ceremonial first ball at the Open. He doesn't meet the standard for the Masters.

 

> @LICC said:

> > @scruffynick said:

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> > > > > > > > > > @gvogel said:

> > > > > > > > > > Tom Watson, Ben Crenshaw and Jose Maria can handle the duties after Jack and Gary, and until Faldo is ready. Much later, Phil and Tiger if they are able.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Why bother? They would go from legends of the game to pretty good players (Watson is a great but not at the Nicklaus, Palmer, Nelson, Snead, Player level).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Some might debate that with Watson at 8 majors, and Player of the Year more than a few times.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I could see Watson at most. The others you mentioned, not really. The Masters hasn't always had ceremonial starters. It has skipped for years at a time when there weren't players that fit the role ready to do it. Since 1980 there has been Gene Sarazen, Byron Nelson, Sam Snead, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus and Gary Player. I don't see Crenshaw or Olazabal or Faldo as being right for it. Maybe Watson, maybe not.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Curious why not faldo..... Won it 3 times and was the man to beat for best on a decade. Couldn't think of a better choice in the future

> > > > >

> > > > > Oh please. To go from Nelson, Snead, Arnie, Jack, and Player to Faldo?

> > > > >

> > > > >

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> > > >

> > > > He's won 6 friggin majors....so oh please, in my eyes he's ahead of Nelson. He's won the masters 3 times so in my eyes worth being a starter in the future

> > >

> > > Faldo is no legend. Won’t happen.

> >

> > Are you serious? Come to the UK and say that, he's a sporting icon and one of our greatest ever spietsman .....so very much a legend

>

> In the UK. So let him hit a ceremonial first ball at the Open. He doesn't meet the standard for the Masters.

 

> @scruffynick said:

> Would be nice and I think it will happen but not yet. I think when Jack can't do it anymore or even player (but player has looked after himself brilliantly) Watson will step in.....about 3-5 years time is image. Wonder who would be along side him in say 8 years time? Faldo perhaps? Would have loved to seen seve start off the masters

 

> @scruffynick said:

> Would be nice and I think it will happen but not yet. I think when Jack can't do it anymore or even player (but player has looked after himself brilliantly) Watson will step in.....about 3-5 years time is image. Wonder who would be along side him in say 8 years time? Faldo perhaps? Would have loved to seen seve start off the masters

 

Faldo should have the numbers and the charisma, but I guess 8 years is too early. Bernhard when he quits seniors in 2039?

[Hankshank]

Tiger I guess sometime 2050

[scruffynick]

> @LICC said:

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> > > > > > > > > > @gvogel said:

> > > > > > > > > > > @LICC said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > @gvogel said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > Tom Watson, Ben Crenshaw and Jose Maria can handle the duties after Jack and Gary, and until Faldo is ready. Much later, Phil and Tiger if they are able.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Why bother? They would go from legends of the game to pretty good players (Watson is a great but not at the Nicklaus, Palmer, Nelson, Snead, Player level).

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Some might debate that with Watson at 8 majors, and Player of the Year more than a few times.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I could see Watson at most. The others you mentioned, not really. The Masters hasn't always had ceremonial starters. It has skipped for years at a time when there weren't players that fit the role ready to do it. Since 1980 there has been Gene Sarazen, Byron Nelson, Sam Snead, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus and Gary Player. I don't see Crenshaw or Olazabal or Faldo as being right for it. Maybe Watson, maybe not.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Curious why not faldo..... Won it 3 times and was the man to beat for best on a decade. Couldn't think of a better choice in the future

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Oh please. To go from Nelson, Snead, Arnie, Jack, and Player to Faldo?

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> > > > > > He's won 6 friggin majors....so oh please, in my eyes he's ahead of Nelson. He's won the masters 3 times so in my eyes worth being a starter in the future

> > > > >

> > > > > Faldo is no legend. Won’t happen.

> > > >

> > > > Are you serious? Come to the UK and say that, he's a sporting icon and one of our greatest ever spietsman .....so very much a legend

> > >

> > > In the UK. So let him hit a ceremonial first ball at the Open. He doesn't meet the standard for the Masters.

> > He's won it 3 times..... I repeat 3 friggin times.... Please explain the standard of the masters when faldo has been a major part of its history. More deserving than most that's without doubt, I suspect if he was American you'll have a different tune

>

> The standard is a legend of golf. He is not. Transitioning Watson in would be fine and he can hold the position until Tiger is ready.

 

I think people forget faldo was the main dominate player from 87 to about 95ish and winning sheds loads. To many he is a legend for his total single mindness, but to win 6 majors and not be considered a great is lost on me. Considering some of the names mentioned on this thread that people think are more deserving a masters future gig.... Sorry faldo has won it 3 times, fully part of its history and traditions and cannot in 10 years time with Watson, Mickelson or even tiger have a more deserving masters starter

[mizuno player]

> @scruffynick said:

> > @LICC said:

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> > > > > > > @gvogel said:

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> > > > > > > > > @gvogel said:

> > > > > > > > > Tom Watson, Ben Crenshaw and Jose Maria can handle the duties after Jack and Gary, and until Faldo is ready. Much later, Phil and Tiger if they are able.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Why bother? They would go from legends of the game to pretty good players (Watson is a great but not at the Nicklaus, Palmer, Nelson, Snead, Player level).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Some might debate that with Watson at 8 majors, and Player of the Year more than a few times.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I could see Watson at most. The others you mentioned, not really. The Masters hasn't always had ceremonial starters. It has skipped for years at a time when there weren't players that fit the role ready to do it. Since 1980 there has been Gene Sarazen, Byron Nelson, Sam Snead, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus and Gary Player. I don't see Crenshaw or Olazabal or Faldo as being right for it. Maybe Watson, maybe not.

> > > > >

> > > > > Curious why not faldo..... Won it 3 times and was the man to beat for best on a decade. Couldn't think of a better choice in the future

> > > >

> > > > Oh please. To go from Nelson, Snead, Arnie, Jack, and Player to Faldo?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > He's won 6 friggin majors....so oh please, in my eyes he's ahead of Nelson. He's won the masters 3 times so in my eyes worth being a starter in the future

> >

> > Faldo is no legend. Won’t happen.

>

> Are you serious? Come to the UK and say that, he's a sporting icon and one of our greatest ever spietsman .....so very much a legend

 

I think the "Sir" Nick should give an indication of his status...

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom Watson, Ben Crenshaw and Jose Maria can handle the duties after Jack and Gary, and until Faldo is ready. Much later, Phil and Tiger if they are able.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Why bother? They would go from legends of the game to pretty good players (Watson is a great but not at the Nicklaus, Palmer, Nelson, Snead, Player level).

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Some might debate that with Watson at 8 majors, and Player of the Year more than a few times.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I could see Watson at most. The others you mentioned, not really. The Masters hasn't always had ceremonial starters. It has skipped for years at a time when there weren't players that fit the role ready to do it. Since 1980 there has been Gene Sarazen, Byron Nelson, Sam Snead, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus and Gary Player. I don't see Crenshaw or Olazabal or Faldo as being right for it. Maybe Watson, maybe not.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Curious why not faldo..... Won it 3 times and was the man to beat for best on a decade. Couldn't think of a better choice in the future

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Oh please. To go from Nelson, Snead, Arnie, Jack, and Player to Faldo?

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> > > > > > > He's won 6 friggin majors....so oh please, in my eyes he's ahead of Nelson. He's won the masters 3 times so in my eyes worth being a starter in the future

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Faldo is no legend. Won’t happen.

> > > > >

> > > > > Are you serious? Come to the UK and say that, he's a sporting icon and one of our greatest ever spietsman .....so very much a legend

> > > >

> > > > In the UK. So let him hit a ceremonial first ball at the Open. He doesn't meet the standard for the Masters.

> > > He's won it 3 times..... I repeat 3 friggin times.... Please explain the standard of the masters when faldo has been a major part of its history. More deserving than most that's without doubt, I suspect if he was American you'll have a different tune

> >

> > The standard is a legend of golf. He is not. Transitioning Watson in would be fine and he can hold the position until Tiger is ready.

>

> I think people forget faldo was the main dominate player from 87 to about 95ish and winning sheds loads. To many he is a legend for his total single mindness, but to win 6 majors and not be considered a great is lost on me. Considering some of the names mentioned on this thread that people think are more deserving a masters future gig.... Sorry faldo has won it 3 times, fully part of its history and traditions and cannot in 10 years time with Watson, Mickelson or even tiger have a more deserving masters starter

 

Faldo is not a Mt Rushmore figure. Why not get Greg Norman too while you’re at it?

[dcfas]

Actually something to wonder about, how the ANGC will figure it out. Not sure how much longer Jack will be gracious enough to hang in there. We all know GP is good for at least another 20 years. When Watson is ready it seems likely he will be tapped.

[Lagavulin62]

> @dcfas said:

> Not sure how much longer Jack will be gracious enough to hang in there.

 

That’s really a good question. As Jack probably doesn’t play much I wonder if he practices for that tee shot? I have no idea how far he can still drive? Even for Jack there has to be a certain level of stress where it’s just no longer gratifying to be a starter.

 

 

[dalehead]

> @Lagavulin62 said:

> > @dcfas said:

> > Not sure how much longer Jack will be gracious enough to hang in there.

>

> That’s really a good question. As Jack probably doesn’t play much I wonder if he practices for that tee shot? I have no idea how far he can still drive? Even for Jack there has to be a certain level of stress where it’s just no longer gratifying to be a starter.

>

>

Jack will never embarrass himself. And judging by some of the shots he hit at the PNC Father-Son he is reaching that point. I think in the not too distant future he will politely decline ANGC's invitation to be an honorary starter.

 

Remember, there have only been eight honorary starters in the history of the Masters, Fred McLeod, Jock Hutchinson, Gene Sarazen, Byron Nelson, Sam Snead, Arnold Palmer, Gary Player, and Jack Nicklaus. Bobby Jones may have filled the role at one time. I didn't do the research on that. The point is those guys set a high standard, not only in playing record but as fan favorites.

 

Among possible candidates Tom Watson fits that criteria. After him,???

Ben Crenshaw- fan favorite, 2 time Masters champion. Playing record spotty after that. Still a strong contender.

Nick Faldo- makes it on playing record but never a fan favorite, at least in the US. His relationship with golf fans could best be described as cold and distant. If he got the gig I think fan reaction would be accepting but not enthusiastic.

Ray Floyd-definitely has the record, but getting on in years. Does he even still play?

Fred Couples- Masters champion, fan favorite, OK playing record. Definite maybe.

Bernhard Langer- if he ever stops playing the Senior Tour

Fuzzy Zoeller-probably would have been named but the Grey Goose got the better of him.

Kind of a thin field for the next decade or so.

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> @dalehead said:

> > @Lagavulin62 said:

> > > @dcfas said:

> > > Not sure how much longer Jack will be gracious enough to hang in there.

> >

> > That’s really a good question. As Jack probably doesn’t play much I wonder if he practices for that tee shot? I have no idea how far he can still drive? Even for Jack there has to be a certain level of stress where it’s just no longer gratifying to be a starter.

> >

> >

> Jack will never embarrass himself. And judging by some of the shots he hit at the PNC Father-Son he is reaching that point. I think in the not too distant future he will politely decline ANGC's invitation to be an honorary starter.

>

> Remember, there have only been eight honorary starters in the history of the Masters, Fred McLeod, Jock Hutchinson, Gene Sarazen, Byron Nelson, Sam Snead, Arnold Palmer, Gary Player, and Jack Nicklaus. Bobby Jones may have filled the role at one time. I didn't do the research on that. The point is those guys set a high standard, not only in playing record but as fan favorites.

>

> Among possible candidates Tom Watson fits that criteria. After him,???

> Ben Crenshaw- fan favorite, 2 time Masters champion. Playing record spotty after that. Still a strong contender.

> Nick Faldo- makes it on playing record but never a fan favorite, at least in the US. His relationship with golf fans could best be described as cold and distant. If he got the gig I think fan reaction would be accepting but not enthusiastic.

> Ray Floyd-definitely has the record, but getting on in years. Does he even still play?

> Fred Couples- Masters champion, fan favorite, OK playing record. Definite maybe.

> Bernhard Langer- if he ever stops playing the Senior Tour

> Fuzzy Zoeller-probably would have been named but the Grey Goose got the better of him.

> Kind of a thin field for the next decade or so.

 

You left out None of the Above. Which is what it would be other than Watson. The Masters has skipped having honorary starters before. They won’t pick someone just to have one.

[Hawkeye77]

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Tom Watson, Ben Crenshaw and Jose Maria can handle the duties after Jack and Gary, and until Faldo is ready. Much later, Phil and Tiger if they are able.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Why bother? They would go from legends of the game to pretty good players (Watson is a great but not at the Nicklaus, Palmer, Nelson, Snead, Player level).

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Some might debate that with Watson at 8 majors, and Player of the Year more than a few times.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I could see Watson at most. The others you mentioned, not really. The Masters hasn't always had ceremonial starters. It has skipped for years at a time when there weren't players that fit the role ready to do it. Since 1980 there has been Gene Sarazen, Byron Nelson, Sam Snead, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus and Gary Player. I don't see Crenshaw or Olazabal or Faldo as being right for it. Maybe Watson, maybe not.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Curious why not faldo..... Won it 3 times and was the man to beat for best on a decade. Couldn't think of a better choice in the future

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Oh please. To go from Nelson, Snead, Arnie, Jack, and Player to Faldo?

> > > > > > >

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> > > > > > He's won 6 friggin majors....so oh please, in my eyes he's ahead of Nelson. He's won the masters 3 times so in my eyes worth being a starter in the future

> > > > >

> > > > > Faldo is no legend. Won’t happen.

> > > >

> > > > Are you serious? Come to the UK and say that, he's a sporting icon and one of our greatest ever spietsman .....so very much a legend

> > >

> > > In the UK. So let him hit a ceremonial first ball at the Open. He doesn't meet the standard for the Masters.

> > He's won it 3 times..... I repeat 3 friggin times.... Please explain the standard of the masters when faldo has been a major part of its history. More deserving than most that's without doubt, I suspect if he was American you'll have a different tune

>

> The standard is a legend of golf. He is not. Transitioning Watson in would be fine and he can hold the position until Tiger is ready.

 

Idiotic.

 

Nick Faldo is a living golf legend, period.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom Watson, Ben Crenshaw and Jose Maria can handle the duties after Jack and Gary, and until Faldo is ready. Much later, Phil and Tiger if they are able.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Why bother? They would go from legends of the game to pretty good players (Watson is a great but not at the Nicklaus, Palmer, Nelson, Snead, Player level).

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Some might debate that with Watson at 8 majors, and Player of the Year more than a few times.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I could see Watson at most. The others you mentioned, not really. The Masters hasn't always had ceremonial starters. It has skipped for years at a time when there weren't players that fit the role ready to do it. Since 1980 there has been Gene Sarazen, Byron Nelson, Sam Snead, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus and Gary Player. I don't see Crenshaw or Olazabal or Faldo as being right for it. Maybe Watson, maybe not.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Curious why not faldo..... Won it 3 times and was the man to beat for best on a decade. Couldn't think of a better choice in the future

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Oh please. To go from Nelson, Snead, Arnie, Jack, and Player to Faldo?

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> > > > > > > He's won 6 friggin majors....so oh please, in my eyes he's ahead of Nelson. He's won the masters 3 times so in my eyes worth being a starter in the future

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Faldo is no legend. Won’t happen.

> > > > >

> > > > > Are you serious? Come to the UK and say that, he's a sporting icon and one of our greatest ever spietsman .....so very much a legend

> > > >

> > > > In the UK. So let him hit a ceremonial first ball at the Open. He doesn't meet the standard for the Masters.

> > > He's won it 3 times..... I repeat 3 friggin times.... Please explain the standard of the masters when faldo has been a major part of its history. More deserving than most that's without doubt, I suspect if he was American you'll have a different tune

> >

> > The standard is a legend of golf. He is not. Transitioning Watson in would be fine and he can hold the position until Tiger is ready.

>

> Idiotic.

>

> Nick Faldo is a living golf legend, period.

 

He is at Ernie Els, Lee Trevino level.

[iutodd]

> @"Oliver Klozoff" said:

> Rules: done playing all the 4 majors, not active on the Senior Tour, have 2+ Masters wins, and 5+ total major wins.

> That's a select group.

> Watson and Faldo would be next.

> Tiger and Phil would be after that.

> Nobody else meets the criteria (yet)

 

This is the right way to look at it I think. As an addendum either Augusta wants to keep the honorary starter tradition going or they don’t.

 

....I can see the argument that nobody but Tiger is on the same level as Jack and Arnie. Player is a friggin Legend but, IMO, Arnie and Jack are on Mt. Rushmore and Gary Player isn’t. (Jack, Arnie, Snead, Tiger)

 

If Watson gets the invite then so should Faldo and they keep it going until Phil and Tiger are old enough around 2040. Faldo announces the Masters (and I think he’s quite good) which makes his connection to Augusta quite strong. I don’t really associate Watson with Augusta but he’s on the same level as Gary Player I think...

 

If anything Watson should be the starter for the Open given that he won it five freaking times and had it in his hands in 2009 (still bummed about that one).

[Hawkeye77]

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom Watson, Ben Crenshaw and Jose Maria can handle the duties after Jack and Gary, and until Faldo is ready. Much later, Phil and Tiger if they are able.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Why bother? They would go from legends of the game to pretty good players (Watson is a great but not at the Nicklaus, Palmer, Nelson, Snead, Player level).

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Some might debate that with Watson at 8 majors, and Player of the Year more than a few times.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I could see Watson at most. The others you mentioned, not really. The Masters hasn't always had ceremonial starters. It has skipped for years at a time when there weren't players that fit the role ready to do it. Since 1980 there has been Gene Sarazen, Byron Nelson, Sam Snead, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus and Gary Player. I don't see Crenshaw or Olazabal or Faldo as being right for it. Maybe Watson, maybe not.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Curious why not faldo..... Won it 3 times and was the man to beat for best on a decade. Couldn't think of a better choice in the future

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Oh please. To go from Nelson, Snead, Arnie, Jack, and Player to Faldo?

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> > > > > > > > He's won 6 friggin majors....so oh please, in my eyes he's ahead of Nelson. He's won the masters 3 times so in my eyes worth being a starter in the future

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Faldo is no legend. Won’t happen.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Are you serious? Come to the UK and say that, he's a sporting icon and one of our greatest ever spietsman .....so very much a legend

> > > > >

> > > > > In the UK. So let him hit a ceremonial first ball at the Open. He doesn't meet the standard for the Masters.

> > > > He's won it 3 times..... I repeat 3 friggin times.... Please explain the standard of the masters when faldo has been a major part of its history. More deserving than most that's without doubt, I suspect if he was American you'll have a different tune

> > >

> > > The standard is a legend of golf. He is not. Transitioning Watson in would be fine and he can hold the position until Tiger is ready.

> >

> > Idiotic.

> >

> > Nick Faldo is a living golf legend, period.

>

> He is at Ernie Els, Lee Trevino level.

 

Do you just troll along in every thread?

 

Forget about Els for now.

 

Faldo and Trevino each with 6 majors and yes, golf legends.

 

Again, idiotic, but you seem to enjoy it for some reason.

[LICC]

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom Watson, Ben Crenshaw and Jose Maria can handle the duties after Jack and Gary, and until Faldo is ready. Much later, Phil and Tiger if they are able.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why bother? They would go from legends of the game to pretty good players (Watson is a great but not at the Nicklaus, Palmer, Nelson, Snead, Player level).

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Some might debate that with Watson at 8 majors, and Player of the Year more than a few times.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > I could see Watson at most. The others you mentioned, not really. The Masters hasn't always had ceremonial starters. It has skipped for years at a time when there weren't players that fit the role ready to do it. Since 1980 there has been Gene Sarazen, Byron Nelson, Sam Snead, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus and Gary Player. I don't see Crenshaw or Olazabal or Faldo as being right for it. Maybe Watson, maybe not.

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> > > > > > > > > > > Curious why not faldo..... Won it 3 times and was the man to beat for best on a decade. Couldn't think of a better choice in the future

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Oh please. To go from Nelson, Snead, Arnie, Jack, and Player to Faldo?

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> > > > > > > > > He's won 6 friggin majors....so oh please, in my eyes he's ahead of Nelson. He's won the masters 3 times so in my eyes worth being a starter in the future

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> > > > > > > > Faldo is no legend. Won’t happen.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Are you serious? Come to the UK and say that, he's a sporting icon and one of our greatest ever spietsman .....so very much a legend

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In the UK. So let him hit a ceremonial first ball at the Open. He doesn't meet the standard for the Masters.

> > > > > He's won it 3 times..... I repeat 3 friggin times.... Please explain the standard of the masters when faldo has been a major part of its history. More deserving than most that's without doubt, I suspect if he was American you'll have a different tune

> > > >

> > > > The standard is a legend of golf. He is not. Transitioning Watson in would be fine and he can hold the position until Tiger is ready.

> > >

> > > Idiotic.

> > >

> > > Nick Faldo is a living golf legend, period.

> >

> > He is at Ernie Els, Lee Trevino level.

>

> Do you just troll along in every thread?

>

> Forget about Els for now.

>

> Faldo and Trevino each with 6 majors and yes, golf legends.

>

> Again, idiotic, but you seem to enjoy it for some reason.

 

Would you have Trevino and Els be the honorary starters too?

[gvogel]

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom Watson, Ben Crenshaw and Jose Maria can handle the duties after Jack and Gary, and until Faldo is ready. Much later, Phil and Tiger if they are able.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why bother? They would go from legends of the game to pretty good players (Watson is a great but not at the Nicklaus, Palmer, Nelson, Snead, Player level).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some might debate that with Watson at 8 majors, and Player of the Year more than a few times.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > I could see Watson at most. The others you mentioned, not really. The Masters hasn't always had ceremonial starters. It has skipped for years at a time when there weren't players that fit the role ready to do it. Since 1980 there has been Gene Sarazen, Byron Nelson, Sam Snead, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus and Gary Player. I don't see Crenshaw or Olazabal or Faldo as being right for it. Maybe Watson, maybe not.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Curious why not faldo..... Won it 3 times and was the man to beat for best on a decade. Couldn't think of a better choice in the future

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> > > > > > > > > > > Oh please. To go from Nelson, Snead, Arnie, Jack, and Player to Faldo?

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> > > > > > > > > > He's won 6 friggin majors....so oh please, in my eyes he's ahead of Nelson. He's won the masters 3 times so in my eyes worth being a starter in the future

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> > > > > > > > > Faldo is no legend. Won’t happen.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Are you serious? Come to the UK and say that, he's a sporting icon and one of our greatest ever spietsman .....so very much a legend

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In the UK. So let him hit a ceremonial first ball at the Open. He doesn't meet the standard for the Masters.

> > > > > > He's won it 3 times..... I repeat 3 friggin times.... Please explain the standard of the masters when faldo has been a major part of its history. More deserving than most that's without doubt, I suspect if he was American you'll have a different tune

> > > > >

> > > > > The standard is a legend of golf. He is not. Transitioning Watson in would be fine and he can hold the position until Tiger is ready.

> > > >

> > > > Idiotic.

> > > >

> > > > Nick Faldo is a living golf legend, period.

> > >

> > > He is at Ernie Els, Lee Trevino level.

> >

> > Do you just troll along in every thread?

> >

> > Forget about Els for now.

> >

> > Faldo and Trevino each with 6 majors and yes, golf legends.

> >

> > Again, idiotic, but you seem to enjoy it for some reason.

>

> Would you have Trevino and Els be the honorary starters too?

 

Lee Trevino and Ernie Els had great careers, but no Masters. They probably have no chance at Augusta as starters. Particularly Trevino, who had “issues” with ANGC. Like changing his shoes in the parking lot.

 

Watson and Faldo - you can take that to the bank.

[LICC]

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom Watson, Ben Crenshaw and Jose Maria can handle the duties after Jack and Gary, and until Faldo is ready. Much later, Phil and Tiger if they are able.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why bother? They would go from legends of the game to pretty good players (Watson is a great but not at the Nicklaus, Palmer, Nelson, Snead, Player level).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some might debate that with Watson at 8 majors, and Player of the Year more than a few times.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could see Watson at most. The others you mentioned, not really. The Masters hasn't always had ceremonial starters. It has skipped for years at a time when there weren't players that fit the role ready to do it. Since 1980 there has been Gene Sarazen, Byron Nelson, Sam Snead, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus and Gary Player. I don't see Crenshaw or Olazabal or Faldo as being right for it. Maybe Watson, maybe not.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Curious why not faldo..... Won it 3 times and was the man to beat for best on a decade. Couldn't think of a better choice in the future

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Oh please. To go from Nelson, Snead, Arnie, Jack, and Player to Faldo?

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> > > > > > > > > > > He's won 6 friggin majors....so oh please, in my eyes he's ahead of Nelson. He's won the masters 3 times so in my eyes worth being a starter in the future

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Faldo is no legend. Won’t happen.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Are you serious? Come to the UK and say that, he's a sporting icon and one of our greatest ever spietsman .....so very much a legend

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In the UK. So let him hit a ceremonial first ball at the Open. He doesn't meet the standard for the Masters.

> > > > > > > He's won it 3 times..... I repeat 3 friggin times.... Please explain the standard of the masters when faldo has been a major part of its history. More deserving than most that's without doubt, I suspect if he was American you'll have a different tune

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The standard is a legend of golf. He is not. Transitioning Watson in would be fine and he can hold the position until Tiger is ready.

> > > > >

> > > > > Idiotic.

> > > > >

> > > > > Nick Faldo is a living golf legend, period.

> > > >

> > > > He is at Ernie Els, Lee Trevino level.

> > >

> > > Do you just troll along in every thread?

> > >

> > > Forget about Els for now.

> > >

> > > Faldo and Trevino each with 6 majors and yes, golf legends.

> > >

> > > Again, idiotic, but you seem to enjoy it for some reason.

> >

> > Would you have Trevino and Els be the honorary starters too?

>

> Lee Trevino and Ernie Els had great careers, but no Masters. They probably have no chance at Augusta as starters. Particularly Trevino, who had “issues” with ANGC. Like changing his shoes in the parking lot.

>

> Watson and Faldo - you can take that to the bank.

 

Why don’t you throw Vijay out there too? It can be the ceremony of great but not legendary golfers.

[scruffynick]

> @LICC said:

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> > > > > > > > > > > > @gvogel said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > @LICC said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @gvogel said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom Watson, Ben Crenshaw and Jose Maria can handle the duties after Jack and Gary, and until Faldo is ready. Much later, Phil and Tiger if they are able.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Why bother? They would go from legends of the game to pretty good players (Watson is a great but not at the Nicklaus, Palmer, Nelson, Snead, Player level).

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Some might debate that with Watson at 8 majors, and Player of the Year more than a few times.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I could see Watson at most. The others you mentioned, not really. The Masters hasn't always had ceremonial starters. It has skipped for years at a time when there weren't players that fit the role ready to do it. Since 1980 there has been Gene Sarazen, Byron Nelson, Sam Snead, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus and Gary Player. I don't see Crenshaw or Olazabal or Faldo as being right for it. Maybe Watson, maybe not.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Curious why not faldo..... Won it 3 times and was the man to beat for best on a decade. Couldn't think of a better choice in the future

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Oh please. To go from Nelson, Snead, Arnie, Jack, and Player to Faldo?

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> > > > > > > > He's won 6 friggin majors....so oh please, in my eyes he's ahead of Nelson. He's won the masters 3 times so in my eyes worth being a starter in the future

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Faldo is no legend. Won’t happen.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Are you serious? Come to the UK and say that, he's a sporting icon and one of our greatest ever spietsman .....so very much a legend

> > > > >

> > > > > In the UK. So let him hit a ceremonial first ball at the Open. He doesn't meet the standard for the Masters.

> > > > He's won it 3 times..... I repeat 3 friggin times.... Please explain the standard of the masters when faldo has been a major part of its history. More deserving than most that's without doubt, I suspect if he was American you'll have a different tune

> > >

> > > The standard is a legend of golf. He is not. Transitioning Watson in would be fine and he can hold the position until Tiger is ready.

> >

> > I think people forget faldo was the main dominate player from 87 to about 95ish and winning sheds loads. To many he is a legend for his total single mindness, but to win 6 majors and not be considered a great is lost on me. Considering some of the names mentioned on this thread that people think are more deserving a masters future gig.... Sorry faldo has won it 3 times, fully part of its history and traditions and cannot in 10 years time with Watson, Mickelson or even tiger have a more deserving masters starter

>

> Faldo is not a Mt Rushmore figure. Why not get Greg Norman too while you’re at it?

 

What has Norman got to do with the price of fish? Faldo is a legend full stop, you might not like this but the masters is an international major and without overseas players it's nothing. Also there's a lot of supporters who go to the masters each year from all over the world and would love faldo as a starter in the future. And you wonder why some of us older gents are leaving this site, some of the replies are disgusting when someone's just had a honest straightforward opinion. Carries on like this im gone

[spk7]

I dont think they’ll add any new ones