Kevin Na vs WRX

[msses]

He's a 7.7 and you are an 11.

I guess that means you would be a 15 playing his G20s.

[MK7Golf21]

would probably be the same, indian not the arrow sort of deal. However, I do remember that 4 iron i20 iron I had years ago and that thing was so easy to hit, 230 high launch low spin bombs from the fairway. Was like hitting a fairway wood.

[QuigleyDU]

I played blades for a very very long time. Guess what I play now? CBs. Why? I just do not get to play as often as I like. If I was able to play 2 times a week or so. I would probably play blades again. The main reason, I really like the way they look at address.

[mahonie]

True story...first time I got fitted for clubs in the mid-1990s I specifically wanted Ping Eye 2s. I was about a 20 then. All my mates played them and I wanted in. Turned out I couldn’t keep them on the planet. Massive, high hook with every shot. Sensing a lost sale, the pro tried me with every club in the store until I got to the Wilson Staff Progressives which just fitted perfectly. I kept them for 12 years and shot my only par round with them.

So to answer your question, I guess I wouldn’t break 100 with G20s.

[Pepperturbo]

@1Mordrid1 - your first statement IMO is not a correct assessment.
A blade is a solid chunk of metal. The sweet spot gets no help from the perimeter or spring effect. The express purpose of a CB is across the face forgiveness and somewhat spring effect. Reason there's little distance loss on a less than perfect strike. I can hit any one of my GI_CB 6 irons (same loft as MB 6iron) and realize extra distance. However, experience has shown me that extra distance is not controllable because the spring nature is a variable that increases core of CBs.
People that know muscle back blades know they offer greater distance control because its a chuck of metal with NO spring effect, just a sweet spot. If I increase swing speed my ball goes farther, decrease swing speed ball doesn't go as far. Miss the sweet spot I lose 10-12 yards, still straight. Before shut-down I pulled my original X-forged 6i with same shaft for a test, same loft as my 620MB 6i. I picked up an extra 3-5yds carry with x-forged 6i over a pure MB 6i which is consistently 158-160yds carry, same swing and I am older too. We're all different.

[dpb5031]

I'm still at a loss as to how professional players on all Tours can play cavity back irons with no apparent ill effects, yet so many recreational players on this message board struggle with distance control and "lack of precision" issues.

As far as the occasional shot that goes longer than expected, that's called a flier and all it takes is a small bit of grass, moisture, or other debris to get between the club face and the ball. A reasonably experienced player should be able to identify a flier lie and adjust accordingly before choosing his club and hitting the shot.

I play a lot of golf and rarely do I see players miss long unless their target is a back hole location and they don't realize they're downwind or have a flier. Most recreational players - even the good ones, miss short, because they don't pure every shot.

[Nels55]

You know it occurs to me that a lot of recreational players think that fliers are there normal distance shot. The only time the expected distance is obtained is when all conditions accidentally work out for max distance with the particular club in use.

[dpb5031]

You may be correct!

[MK7Golf21]

CB players on the professional tours are using players CB's which you aren't really going to run into those issues, very slim designs. When you get into more GI and SGI is where a better player can run into things like too much distance, gaping issues and less precision.

Saying that about players CB's I remember my 714 ap2 set, really liked the clubs and didn't have any issues with them but after a couple years I wanted a little more precision with the sole. Wasn't that big of a deal at all when playing, just a preference.

[golfbuddy]

I saw an article many years ago that said amateurs should all be using mallet putters. They watch too much tv and want to play what the pros play and not what is best for their game. There are a lot of x stiff clubs for sale.

[nsxguy]

LMAO

So now your premise is that someone playing an iron with a wide sole can't the the ground first ?

Nah, I know it's just frustration.

But please, by all means, keep on spinnin' brother !!!

[msses]

I hear ya. I can't play anything less than a tipped x-flex. Stiff flex are like wet noodles and turn any club into a hook machine.

[dpb5031]

Putting is a completely different animal. It's an erroneous comparison. I said it previously, there are many very good ballstrikers who struggle with the putter, and there are plenty of high handicappers who manage putting quite effectively.

[Red4282]

I dont think a 7.7 has any room to be talkin trash either ?‍♂️

[mahonie]

The exact opposite in fact.

A few years back a good friend of mine (bounced between 8-10 handicap) played G10s and hit every shot fat and didn’t realise it. He couldn’t work out why his game went south during the summer months when our course turned from soft and wet into hard pan and he started skulling everything from the fairway. Frustrated him to distraction and then suddenly his game came back in the autumn with the first real rainfall.

You’d be surprised how many wide sole players fat shots without knowing it. Next time you’re out just look at the strike of your playing partners playing wide sole clubs.

[mahonie]

Too soft a shaft does impact, but for me lots of offset sends everything left of left.

[braincramp52]

Is it ok for me to play my shiny Wilson blades just because I think they're pretty?

[Stinger83]

Yes it is.

[Sean2]

My misses tend to be long as I know I don't hit that 7-iron, for example, consistently as long as those few time I pured it. I would rather be a bit long, than in the hazard in front of the green.

[1Mordrid1]

You claim blades offer greater distance control, yet you then say if you miss the sweet spot you lose 10-12 yards....that does not sound like great distance control. Just how bad do you think cavity backs are then?

I apologize for trying to make it simple when regarding COR. There is more to a "hot faced" iron than just COR. Because of the effects of loft on the "smash factor", a "hot face" cannot really be achieved until you get into the range of a 5 or 6 iron. The USGA tests COR with the head at 0° to the force applied. So there is a technical COR and a "real world COR", which is indicated by smash factor, which can be greatly affected by loft.

So even if you take a solid piece thick forged sand wedge, and compare it to a "flex hot face" sand wedge, your smash factor will fall within a range of 1.25 to 1.30 on good strikes no matter which club design. The diminishing returns due to the loft puts both club types on an equal footing. So when I said they are both close to the max COR I am saying that because the difference between .79 and .83 on lofted irons is miniscule due to the effects of higher lofts. As you move down the set the smash factor for both types of clubs will raise. Now on a driver or 3 wood with 8-15° of loft the difference between .79 and .830 is a lot more significant.

So in reality the .830 cor iron is not "hotter" until you get to about 28° of loft because the face does not flex inward as much. If anything the flex may be more upward and cause the ball to stick to the face longer causing a higher launch. This may be why some of the higher swing speed players use blades over cavity backs. Because this effect would show more for players with faster clubhead speed.

A big difference with lower and higher COR in irons is with off center hits. The smash factor of a blade generally falls off significantly on off center hits, whereas irons with newer technologies like "variable face thickness" can maintain a closer relationship with smash factor between perfect and less than perfect strikes.

So I still maintain that the face of a cavity back iron is not necessarily "hotter". Just that it is more consistent on off center strikes than a blade. You can decide for yourself if that means it is more accurate.

 

 

[1Mordrid1]

The best reason to play any type of club is because you want to. So if a club being pretty makes you want to play it, then that is a great reason !

[chisag]

 

... Absolutely! (as long as you don't say being pretty can make you a better ball striker )

[nsxguy]

FWIW, and not that it matters anyway as handicap has little to do with knowing what goes where and when,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, but since you brought it up, it was 3.9 before a major health issue, went up to 9.3 and was trending back down to 7.7 B.C. (Before Covid).

But since you bring it up, go through the posts and see who's talking trash, especially who contradicted himself and when challenged replies with "I honestly don’t get why you cannot get it. Let’s try again"

But no matter. I say "up", he'll say "down". I say "right", he'll say "left",,,,,,,,, and then say he meant "sideways",,,,,,,,,,,, LOL

[braincramp52]

Now that's funny!!

[wobgon]

Blades have better distance control if you can hit the sweet spot and that is the only time they have better distance control.

[Golf4lifer]

Is it true that any type of iron can make a golfer a better ball striker with the right type of practice and time? Or is the only possible with gi/sgi type irons?

[Stinger83]

I feel like blades are running against Cb's in the 2020 presidential election after reading through this thread

[Nels55]

Not sure but I think I would vote for game improvement as we need to improve our game. Could be swayed though...

[Red4282]

You can say that all you want but there is plenty of proof some hollow thin faced irons are hotter than those that arent. And Thats an aweful lot of writing to avoid saying you were wrong. Ive been in too many of these conversations with the likes of you, and i know how this goes. Keep dodging the facts and twisting my words... dispute what i said for once. You cant.

[Red4282]

i do find it funny when high handicappers try to act like they are experts on everything golf. Not saying thats you, but chances are everyone in this forum isnt an “expert” and all have things we dont know or could learn. How bout that, we should all be learnin from each other. I play around scratch usually, have first hand experience in having issues with cavities and Distance control. I also have a background in engineering so im well versed in math and science. It may seem like i know it all (in terms of golf and equipment) on these forums, but truth is I dont( for example, im still learning quite a bit when it comes to swing theories) I Wish everyone could just have a little integrity and humbleness and we could resolve some of these discussions.

 

edit: when i said cavities and distance control- let me clarify. Some cavity back irons are worse in this regard than others. Ive played some that were just fine, and others that weren’t . Cavity backs covers a wide spectrum of golf clubs.