Rickie Fowler is a cautionary tale in overexposing a superstar

[bscinstnct]

7 minutes ago, TiScape said:

It’s been a few pages now… I think it’s time to mention again that Rickie is wealthy and has a smokin’ hot wife. 😂 

 

His SG Hot Wife is 5.66   1st 

 

🤣

[TiScape]

4 minutes ago, ShortGolfer said:

Paige has carry distances of 146 yards for her 7I and 245 for her driver.

Not only does she do a great job of explaining things, but due to similar swing speeds and driving distances, the average golfer has more to learn from a good woman golfer than a good male golfer.

 

On Youtube she has a whopping 247k subscribers!

Yeah, there it is. It’s definitely her carry distances. 😉 

[TiScape]

8 minutes ago, ShortGolfer said:

Paige has carry distances of 146 yards for her 7I and 245 for her driver.

Not only does she do a great job of explaining things, but due to similar swing speeds and driving distances, the average golfer has more to learn from a good (long hitting) woman golfer than a good male (professional) golfer. 

 

On Youtube she has a whopping 247k subscribers!

I will agree with that. But if you think that’s why Paige has over 240k subscribers, I have a bridge in NY I want to sell you!

[tiderider]

22 hours ago, Naptime said:

I don't think Rickie was ever a superstar, he was a solid top 50 for most of his career to date, occasionally rising a bit higher 2014-17.  Certainly not anointed to be the next Tiger or the next Phil.  Nice guy in a posse of young players who are now around 30 years old.  

 

Certainly well known and rich from endorsements.  The flat brim and hair market niche initially.  So I think it's a bit presumptuous of us to call him a flop at this point.  Plenty of guys are recognizable in the crowd and would be a desirable pro am partner but never get to 10 wins, much less 20 and a couple majors.  

 

He's done better at pro golf than any WRXer unless Tiger is signing on here as a 4 'cap.  Starting a family and financially secure.  I wish him well on and off the course.

i have no idea why people cannot comprehend that portion of your statement ... you are what you are ... rickie has some wins, one being a players, and some nice finishes in majors ... and that's it ... he never attained any lofty status as a golfer ... as a media star, he flew pretty high ... he's not lazy ... he's not resting on his laurels ... he's a decent pro golfer ... there was never any indication he'd be the next 20/2 (wins/majors) ... 

[BlackDiamondPar5]

12 hours ago, TiScape said:

I will agree with that. But if you think that’s why Paige has over 240k subscribers, I have a bridge in NY I want to sell you!

Two big reasons are a good start 🙂

 

[MUNIGRIT]

16 hours ago, ShortGolfer said:

Paige has carry distances of 146 yards for her 7I and 245 for her driver.

Not only does she do a great job of explaining things, but due to similar swing speeds and driving distances, the average golfer has more to learn from a good woman golfer than a good male golfer.

 

On Youtube she has a whopping 247k subscribers!

Yeahbhow to swing with big boobs video will help a lot of dudes out there. Her golf game is pretty far down why she has a social media following. You could get some coin flip betting advice from her too on NFL and MLB games.

[bscinstnct]

4 hours ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

Two big reasons are a good start 🙂

 

As I watch this video on her cogent analysis for betting on the Wyndham, I be like

 

 

uh, what did she say? Tough to focus 🤣

 

 

Edited August 15, 2021 by bscinstnct

[Fairway14]

17 hours ago, ShortGolfer said:

Paige has carry distances of 146 yards for her 7I and 245 for her driver.

Not only does she do a great job of explaining things, but due to similar swing speeds and driving distances, the average golfer has more to learn from a good woman golfer than a good male golfer.

 

On Youtube she has a whopping 247k subscribers!

Agreed. Basically, she is teaching tried and true basic golf fundamentals, which is a good thing.

[Shilgy]

17 hours ago, tiderider said:

i have no idea why people cannot comprehend that portion of your statement ... you are what you are ... rickie has some wins, one being a players, and some nice finishes in majors ... and that's it ... he never attained any lofty status as a golfer ... as a media star, he flew pretty high ... he's not lazy ... he's not resting on his laurels ... he's a decent pro golfer ... there was never any indication he'd be the next 20/2 (wins/majors) ... 

Tough crowd…..reaching #4 in the rankings is not lofty?

[Naptime]

43 minutes ago, Shilgy said:

Tough crowd…..reaching #4 in the rankings is not lofty?

 

Not in comparison to being #1 for a few years, or even a few weeks.  Solid, but not a golf superstar.

[bscinstnct]

34 minutes ago, Naptime said:

 

Not in comparison to being #1 for a few years, or even a few weeks.  Solid, but not a golf superstar.

 

#4 in the world and a perennial #4-#10 in the world is something that puts him into a very rare class of accomplishment. For any sport or any profession.

 

Rickie has earned $40MM in prize money. Not bad for 10 years work. 

 

Is like being the #4 brain surgeon in the world. Pretty darn good, lol, even in a world of top doctors and surgeons. 
 

So, his sponsors got plenty of mileage out of him.

 

His own disappointment at not winning more must be a challenge. His #4 should be followed by a lot more wins and at least one major.

 

But still, to go around a know that you were at such an elite level must carry some gratification. 

 

 

[Cincy_Ken]

38 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

#4 in the world and a perennial #4-#10 in the world is something that puts him into a very rare class of accomplishment. For any sport or any profession.

 

Rickie has earned $40MM in prize money. Not bad for 10 years work. 

 

Is like being the #4 brain surgeon in the world. Pretty darn good, lol, even in a world of top doctors and surgeons. 
 

So, his sponsors got plenty of mileage out of him.

 

His own disappointment at not winning more must be a challenge. His #4 should be followed by a lot more wins and at least one major.

 

But still, to go around a know that you were at such an elite level must carry some gratification. 

 

 

Would you say the same about Matt Kuchar?  Kuch just fell out of the top 50 for the first time in a decade and was basically a top 20 player for 8 years, Fowler was a top 10 for about 5. Both peaked at 4 and  won The Players. Kuch has definitely been more consistent and maintained a high ranking longer. Both were basically win every other year guys until Rickie's regression.  Harris English? Patrick Cantlay?  

 

My point is getting to the top 10 and maintaining for awhile doesn't make you a star.  You need to win with some consistency.  Being JT and Jordan winning double digit events in their 20s makes you a star. Rickie is probably a little less talented than Kuch and no one ever got on Kuch for not winning more.  

[TiScape]

8 hours ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

Two big reasons are a good start 🙂

 

 I’m typically so engrossed in the instructional aspect of her videos I hadn’t noticed!  😏 I also use to only read my dad’s Playboys for the articles 😊

[bscinstnct]

17 minutes ago, Cincy_Ken said:

Would you say the same about Matt Kuchar?  Kuch just fell out of the top 50 for the first time in a decade and was basically a top 20 player for 8 years, Fowler was a top 10 for about 5. Both peaked at 4 and  won The Players. Kuch has definitely been more consistent and maintained a high ranking longer. Both were basically win every other year guys until Rickie's regression.  Harris English? Patrick Cantlay?  

 

My point is getting to the top 10 and maintaining for awhile doesn't make you a star.  You need to win with some consistency.  Being JT and Jordan winning double digit events in their 20s makes you a star. Rickie is probably a little less talented than Kuch and no one ever got on Kuch for not winning more.  

Kuch is impressive, especially since he got off to a very slow start, did pretty badly for years  early in his career,reworked his swing, and then was a top 10 golfer for a few years solid.

 

Rickies owgr long term is much stronger as far as being ranked higher and for longer. 
 

Rickies definitely disappointing as far as not winning more.  But, playing well enough week in week out to be consistently ranked #4-#7 over a five year stretch puts him in very rare company. 

Edited August 15, 2021 by bscinstnct

[Shilgy]

1 hour ago, Cincy_Ken said:

Would you say the same about Matt Kuchar?  Kuch just fell out of the top 50 for the first time in a decade and was basically a top 20 player for 8 years, Fowler was a top 10 for about 5. Both peaked at 4 and  won The Players. Kuch has definitely been more consistent and maintained a high ranking longer. Both were basically win every other year guys until Rickie's regression.  Harris English? Patrick Cantlay?  

 

My point is getting to the top 10 and maintaining for awhile doesn't make you a star.  You need to win with some consistency.  Being JT and Jordan winning double digit events in their 20s makes you a star. Rickie is probably a little less talented than Kuch and no one ever got on Kuch for not winning more.  

Guess we all have different definitions.  How many stars are there in other sports? NBA just has Lebron, Durant and Curry? #4 is not a star?  Baseball?  Is a perennial all star team player not a star?  Is being on the Ryder Cup consistently not the equivalent of an all star in other sports?  
  Your take sounds like just Jack and Tiger are stars…..or at minimum a lifetime tour exemption-20+wins- makes a star.  We have only had five of those in the last quarter century. Sounds like the Mt Rushmore of the game guys are the only stars?

[freeze16172002]

2 hours ago, Shilgy said:

Guess we all have different definitions.  How many stars are there in other sports? NBA just has Lebron, Durant and Curry? #4 is not a star?  Baseball?  Is a perennial all star team player not a star?  Is being on the Ryder Cup consistently not the equivalent of an all star in other sports?  
  Your take sounds like just Jack and Tiger are stars…..or at minimum a lifetime tour exemption-20+wins- makes a star.  We have only had five of those in the last quarter century. Sounds like the Mt Rushmore of the game guys are the only stars?

how many superstars can you name in other sports that never won a championship. how many superstar tennis players are there without a grand slam? how many superstar athletes can you name that arent in the HOF. how can Rickie be consider a superstar and not have a HOF career and never won a major

[bscinstnct]

37 minutes ago, freeze16172002 said:

how many superstars can you name in other sports that never won a championship. how many superstar tennis players are there without a grand slam? how many superstar athletes can you name that arent in the HOF. how can Rickie be consider a superstar and not have a HOF career and never won a major

 

Not sure how but, he just is 🤣

 

Assume MM requested this be taken…

 

 

 

Edited August 15, 2021 by bscinstnct

[Shilgy]

30 minutes ago, freeze16172002 said:

how many superstars can you name in other sports that never won a championship. how many superstar tennis players are there without a grand slam? how many superstar athletes can you name that arent in the HOF. how can Rickie be consider a superstar and not have a HOF career and never won a major

 

30 minutes ago, freeze16172002 said:

how many superstars can you name in other sports that never won a championship. how many superstar tennis players are there without a grand slam? how many superstar athletes can you name that arent in the HOF. how can Rickie be consider a superstar and not have a HOF career and never won a major

Barry Bonds, Ted Williams, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, Steve Nash, Dan Marino, Tomlinson, OJ, Antonio Gates, and on and on. 
 

Tennis is different imo.  For most of us that is all we watch in tennis.  The other events almost don’t matter

 

Fowler is only 32 and had a down year or two.  And even at that he is the equivalent to the 4th best player on a major league sports team at #130.
  Not a superstar at the moment but he certainly was a star.

 

 And likely will be again.

[freeze16172002]

12 minutes ago, Shilgy said:

 

Barry Bonds, Ted Williams, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, Steve Nash, Dan Marino, Tomlinson, OJ, Antonio Gates, and on and on. 
 

Tennis is different imo.  For most of us that is all we watch in tennis.  The other events almost don’t matter

 

Fowler is only 32 and had a down year or two.  And even at that he is the equivalent to the 4th best player on a major league sports team at #130.
  Not a superstar at the moment but he certainly was a star.

 

 And likely will be again.

exactly a handful without a championship over  60 years and zero not in the HOF minus Gates. Tennis is a individual sport like golf much closer then a team sport. can you name one superstar golfer without a major

[TiScape]

4 minutes ago, freeze16172002 said:

exactly a handful without a championship over  60 years and zero not in the HOF minus Gates. Tennis is a individual sport like golf much closer then a team sport. can you name one superstar golfer without a major

Yes. Off the top of my head the guys in the big 3 sports w/o championships I came up with were all HOF’ers. 

[TiScape]

34 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

Not sure how but, he just is 🤣

 

Assume MM requested this be taken…

 

 

 

Alright alright alright 🙄 

🤣

[freeze16172002]

7 minutes ago, TiScape said:

Yes. Off the top of my head the guys in the big 3 sports w/o championships I came up with were all HOF’ers. 

Gates is in the HOF?  stop trolling you're not good at it

Edited August 16, 2021 by freeze16172002

[Titleist99]

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[TiScape]

1 minute ago, freeze16172002 said:

Gates is in the HOF? stop trolling you're not good at it

Huh. I was baking up what u said! 😂 

[freeze16172002]

1 minute ago, TiScape said:

Huh. I was baking up what u said! 😂 

really didnt see it that way

btw bonds isnt in the hof also

[TiScape]

5 minutes ago, freeze16172002 said:

really didnt see it that way

btw bonds isnt in the hof also

I know. Shigly named a bunch of players w/o championships. But most of the ones w/o a  championships are in the HOF. Tuff to name a superstar in MLB, NFL or NBA that doesn’t have a championship or isn’t in the HOF. Again, agreeing w/ur earlier post 

Edited August 16, 2021 by TiScape

[freeze16172002]

1 minute ago, TiScape said:

I know. Shigly named a bunch of players w/o championships. But most of the ones w/o a  championships are in the HOF. Again I was agreed if with you. Tuff to name a superstar in MLB, NFL or NBA that doesn’t have a championship or is in the HOF. Again, agreeing w/ur earlier post 

maybe to many beers on my part

[Shilgy]

19 minutes ago, freeze16172002 said:

exactly a handful without a championship over  60 years and zero not in the HOF minus Gates. Tennis is a individual sport like golf much closer then a team sport. can you name one superstar golfer without a major

Lol…the first sentence of your post I replied to was this…

 

how many superstars can you name in other sports that never won a championship.

Of course most stars are I. The hall of fame in their respective sport.  That’s what a hall is.  And there are plenty of guys in their respective hall with no championships.

 

Perhaps we just have a different viewpoint and that’s cool.  You think that golf is just like tennis and all that matters is majors.  IMO true in tennis and not in golf.  I am more impressed by Tigers 82 than his 15 for example.  Andy North did not have a better career than Davis Love.  Sorry, Padraig but not better than Norman or Miller.

 

This has turned into a silly thread.  We are talking over each other and sure both are right.  Rickie surely was a star on the tour when he won 5 times on the PGA tour and had two big wins on the Euro tour.

 

But…has he performed like a star the last two seasons? Of course not.

[Shilgy]

21 minutes ago, freeze16172002 said:

Gates is in the HOF?  stop trolling you're not good at it

He will be when eligible.  Guessing you know that.

[TiScape]

Now that I think about it more. In MLB I can think of a few superstars w/o championships that are still playing (so no HOF). DeGrom, Judge, Stanton, Tatis Jr., Nolan Arenado, Trout, Bryce Harper, Gerrit Cole…