The Best Chipping Advice you have ever Received?

[caller]

Mental side: Chip it once.

This saved me many strokes and simplified the game for me. Not afraid to take bogie when I need to. 

 

Mechanical side: Chip it with left hand

Tempo comes from hitting a lot of balls to practice or have understanding of each shots and routine. So I tend to focus on my left hand. That enables me to have clean ball strike and proper timing.

[Zitlow]

For chips and putts swing along the fixed plane line established at address. 

[buckeye88us]

Gotta be CPG’s money method of the “Stack & Jilt”. 
 

 

 

[BeenWild]

2nd best short game advice...from Kevin Kisner youtube video...grip of club and buttons on the shirt move at the same pace

 

Edited January 27, 2021 by BeenWild

[Aviador Naval]

I prefer Utley and similar techniques.  His ‘Art of the Short Game’ was a revelation to me.

 

Regardless of the technique chosen or the instructor that makes most sense to any particular individual, I believe until one is knocking on the door to scratch, the key is to have a very narrow focus on the basic chip, the basic pitch, and the standard bunker shot from good to moderate lies within 25 yds or so of the pin.  Unless you’re a member at Oakmont or Augusta National, you can get to low single digit hdcp with nothing more than those three shots and reasonable putting skill.

 

If you become truly automatic from the collar or light rough it takes a lot of pressure off your iron play and establishes a solid foundation for when your game advances to the point the trickier stuff might actually make a difference.

 

I have a 8-9 hdcp playing partner that spends the very little time he devotes to short game working on tricky lies, short-sided chips, etc.  He’d save three to four strokes per round instantly simply by cashing in on the short game ‘gimmes’ and making it from the bunker to the putting surface in a single stroke.

Edited January 27, 2021 by Aviador Naval

[Mr_Wolfe]

12 hours ago, BeenWild said:

2nd best short game advice...from Kevin Kisner youtube video...grip of club and buttons on the shirt move at the same pace

Ha! Great video! I have never seen that one.

 

Mr. Wolfe

[Mr_Wolfe]

10 hours ago, Aviador Naval said:

I prefer Utley and similar techniques.  His ‘Art of the Short Game’ was a revelation to me.

 

Regardless of the technique chosen or the instructor that makes most sense to any particular individual, I believe until one is knocking on the door to scratch, the key is to have a very narrow focus on the basic chip, the basic pitch, and the standard bunker shot from good to moderate lies within 25 yds or so of the pin.  Unless you’re a member at Oakmont or Augusta National, you can get to low single digit hdcp with nothing more than those three shots and reasonable putting skill.

 

If you become truly automatic from the collar or light rough it takes a lot of pressure of your iron play and establishes a solid foundation for when your game advances to the point it the trickier stuff might actually make a difference.

 

I have a 8-9 hdcp playing partner that spends the very little time he devotes short game working on tricky lies, short-sided chips, etc.  He’d save three to four strokes per round instantly simply by cashing in on the short game ‘gimmes’ and making it from the bunker to the putting surface in a single stroke.

 

I totally agree with what you're saying. Bunker shots will be a priority of mine early this year. Side note, I live about 20 miles from Oakmont, but they won't let me in without that membership card. 🙂 I keep telling them I forgot it at home.

 

Mr. Wolfe

Edited January 27, 2021 by Mr_Wolfe

[BeenWild]

19 minutes ago, Mr_Wolfe said:

Ha! Great video! I have never seen that one.

 

Mr. Wolfe

Here's the vid

 

http://youtu.be/9E-gdx-o1sg

[cardoustie]

On 1/25/2021 at 11:50 AM, Obee said:

Probably getting to understand the "Sieckman/Pernice" method. I was always a "set up open,  hold on and rotate" guy and Pernice, especially, got me to me to understand that there's a different way that turned out to be much better for me.

Any solid links to this methodology you like?

[dlygrisse]

On 1/24/2021 at 8:41 PM, 2bGood said:

Get your weight on the front foot and then put more weight on your front foot. 

 

I follow Phil's chipping fundamental in this video and like he does here my wieght is about 90% on my front foot. (you can even see him left his back foot up in his stance)

 

weight

The key here, and I am not really comfortable with how Phil explains it. is to keep the weight left, getting the leading edge under the ball, while still using the bounce.  If you "hold" the bounce correctly it works, but the way he explains it doesn't necessarily do that.  HIs technique is a bit different than what most of the short game teachers teach, but it works,  if you practice it enough.  

[dlygrisse]

21 minutes ago, cardoustie said:

Any solid links to this methodology you like?

 

[Mr_Wolfe]

3 minutes ago, dlygrisse said:

The key here, and I am not really comfortable with how Phil explains it. is to keep the weight left, getting the leading edge under the ball, while still using the bounce.  If you "hold" the bounce correctly it works, but the way he explains it doesn't necessarily do that.  HIs technique is a bit different than what most of the short game teachers teach, but it works,  if you practice it enough.  

 

Agree. It's hard to argue against Phil's technique as he is one of the best chippers ever. I just think most do not have the talent to have the leading edge that exposed. He de-lofts the club more than I feel comfortable doing.

 

Mr. Wolfe

[dlygrisse]

2 minutes ago, Mr_Wolfe said:

 

Agree. It's hard to argue against Phil's technique as he is one of the best chippers ever. I just think most do not have the talent to have the leading edge that exposed. He de-lofts the club more than I feel comfortable doing.

 

Mr. Wolfe

Agreed.  I watched his short game video, played around with it, what I finally figured he was doing was "hinging" which is fine...then "holding" the loft square to the swing plane, which keeps the bounce aimed at the turf.  If you forward press like he does, with the weight really left you can get steep and chunky real quick.  I have the feeling that what Phil says in his video isn't exactly what he always does in reality.  

 

Truth is there are a multitude of ways to play short game shots, and as a short game junky I got a but hung up trying them all.  I try to stick to 4 basic shots now, but have played around with over 20.  

 

1.  Putting-can use multiple clubs from off the green.  Putter, hybrid, 7 iron etc.  Even a LW if you have a dicey lie and want to hit it soft.  

2.  Low chip-can use multiple clubs, the more loft the more spin you will get.  LW gives you a low spinner, 8 iron gives you rollout.  Really like a PW here.  

3.  Medium high pitch with a higher lofted wedge.  Usually a 58.  

4.  Lob shot/bunker shot.  Same basic technique for both.  

[mikpga]

Simply putting with a lofted club with the handle slightly leading...

[nitram]

7 hours ago, dlygrisse said:

The key here, and I am not really comfortable with how Phil explains it. is to keep the weight left, getting the leading edge under the ball, while still using the bounce.  If you "hold" the bounce correctly it works, but the way he explains it doesn't necessarily do that.  HIs technique is a bit different than what most of the short game teachers teach, but it works,  if you practice it enough.  

'tis the key to any method you choose...

[Krt22]

21 minutes ago, nitram said:

'tis the key to any method you choose...

But some methods definitely have larger margins for error, and thus require less practice to be proficient. 

[Sean2]

Don't take the club so far back, and make sure to accelerate through the shot. 

[nitram]

2 hours ago, Krt22 said:

But some methods definitely have larger margins for error, and thus require less practice to be proficient. 

 

Preach on brother!!!

[FirstFlight]

The 6-8-10 method...and, its practically a putting stroke...and, I pretty much never chip beyond 7 paces off green. Chipping saves my arse! My chipping's not too shabby, 'cause the rest of my game's pretty flabby.

[caller]

On 1/26/2021 at 9:51 PM, BeenWild said:

2nd best short game advice...from Kevin Kisner youtube video...grip of club and buttons on the shirt move at the same pace

 

Amen!

 

I wached Na Yeon Choi (LPGA player) Youtube video where she said end of club moves along with your belly button for take back which works for me.

 

KJ Choi said all shots except flop shot, hands before the ball.... So simple advices and it works.

[Obee]

Wasn't sure if I posted this yet, but the first 10 minutes of this video is, by far, the best short game concept/instruction I've ever seen -- for beginners, advanced, or expert players alike. Watch it, understand the concept he's trying to get across, internalize it. It' gold.

 

 

[b.mattay]

6 hours ago, Obee said:

Wasn't sure if I posted this yet, but the first 10 minutes of this video is, by far, the best short game concept/instruction I've ever seen -- for beginners, advanced, or expert players alike. Watch it, understand the concept he's trying to get across, internalize it. It' gold.

 

 

That stick drill is tough!! Just tried it and hit one good shot out of 50. Rest were skulled or I hit the stick! 

Edited January 28, 2021 by b.mattay

[idontnoh]

On 1/26/2021 at 9:55 AM, Golfah said:

Larry Cheung's content really clicks for me.  I like his explanations.  For me, his technique of visualizing a straight line from the shoulder to the clubhead, and employing a "no hinge" swing works for me.  

 

 

I forgot about this and need to get back to Larry's videos. Thanks for the reminder!

[Zitlow]

The best chipping advice I've heard is, don't chunk it. 

[Hawkeye77]

17 hours ago, b.mattay said:

That stick drill is tough!! Just tried it and hit one good shot out of 50. Rest were skulled or I hit the stick! 

I like his vid, but not big on the stick drill idea - I think for the average golfer it's just going to get him or her worried about the stick and coming in steep with more leading edge/maybe flip and the "fix" may be to make some other compensation to pull it off, but I'm no swing guru.  Works for him, though, and he has probably put in thousands of hours of practice.  Learning different shots is fun, but I also don't see practice with the ball so far forwardas a great idea either, at least not the way he puts it out there.  I mean, move the ball around, experiment with ball position, what loft you present, shots, etc. but as a practice intent that makes you better no matter where you put it, I'm not sure I'm sold on that idea.  Totally disagree that if I can hit a nice shot with the ball forward in an exaggerated way from my normal position that I'll be able to hit anything off my right toe, lol, that doesn't translate. 

 

 

Edited January 29, 2021 by Hawkeye77

[Hawkeye77]

On 1/27/2021 at 9:41 AM, cardoustie said:

Any solid links to this methodology you like?

I've got his "Short Game Solution" in my Kindle library - don't recall it was very expensive, but it's a really good read.

[Obee]

18 hours ago, b.mattay said:

That stick drill is tough!! Just tried it and hit one good shot out of 50. Rest were skulled or I hit the stick! 

 

Seriously? Very interesting. I'd love to see video of you doing it. Of course, where you put the stick matters to a great degree.... 🙂

[Obee]

33 minutes ago, Hawkeye77 said:

I like his vid, but not big on the stick drill idea - I think for the average golfer it's just going to get him or her worried about the stick and coming in steep with more leading edge/maybe flip and the "fix" may be to make some other compensation to pull it off, but I'm no swing guru.  Works for him, though, and he has probably put in thousands of hours of practice.  Learning different shots is fun, but I also don't see practice with the ball so far forwardas a great idea either, at least not the way he puts it out there.  I mean, move the ball around, experiment with ball position, what loft you present, shots, etc. but as a practice intent that makes you better no matter where you put it, I'm not sure I'm sold on that idea.  Totally disagree that if I can hit a nice shot with the ball forward in an exaggerated way from my normal position that I'll be able to hit anything off my right toe, lol, that doesn't translate. 

 

 

It actually does translate ... if you let it, Hawk. 😉

 

The concept is that once you get used to your weight forward all the time, and staying there, you can move the ball around and you will only feel comfortable with your weight forward and staying there and you are less likely to "reverse out of" the chip/pitch.

[Hawkeye77]

32 minutes ago, Obee said:

It actually does translate ... if you let it, Hawk. 😉

 

The concept is that once you get used to your weight forward all the time, and staying there, you can move the ball around and you will only feel comfortable with your weight forward and staying there and you are less likely to "reverse out of" the chip/pitch.

 

Haha, you sound like my wife - I'm just not programmed to just let things happen and go with it sometimes! Deceive me, eyes can.  I need to just feel the force.

 

I get his focus on the fault of what he calls "reverse out" which looks to be mostly dropping the right shoulder.  He loses me when he advocates the weight basically set on his left side to the point where he can pick up his right foot, but it's a technique and it can be learned and maybe takes some variables out of the equation and he does it great and I'm sure tons of other people can and do as well.  In general, I think ball forward as he suggests gets you a better opportunity to "use" the bounce (or avoid needing it, has he puts it) and get a little shallower which is a good thing, but I think you can pressure left a bit without going to an extreme and then focus more on a good turn through and release depending on the shot.  Just total $.01.  You could chip and pitch with a croquet mallet and beat my butt, lol, so what do I know! Maybe I'm just thinking more of little pitches vs. pure chips and there is some gray in there, don't know.

 

As a "method" I think what he is talking about is way more usable and valuable than the old school leading edge off the right toe.  I think your guy Sieckmann is more in the wheelhouse for the ordinary golfer than Paddy but just IMO, again maybe I'm not focused on "chip" enough.

 

Anyway, I love looking at any and all short game stuff and something to be learned from anyone who can effectively demonstrate how it works for them, and Harrington is terrific. Heck, anyone watching your vid on 100 yard shots will see just as good or better little shots around the greens, also. That stick thing just bugs me though (probably because I'd hit it).

[b.mattay]

 

11 hours ago, Obee said:

 

Seriously? Very interesting. I'd love to see video of you doing it. Of course, where you put the stick matters to a great degree.... 🙂

Put a FO and DTL vid on. Leaving about 4.5 inches of gap (that little white thing is a hole liner of 4.25 inches or so). 
 

Results (FO) 

-Stick 

-Stick

-Thin 

 

Results (DTL) 

-Good 

-Thin 

-Stick

Maybe hard to tell on video but right (trail) heel is lifted off ground on every setup and swing. This is a part of the game I need to get better at (as well as driving accuracy). Scrambling was 40.2% in latter part of 2020. I miss exactly 5 greens per round on average and bumping scrambling to 60% is a shot saved. 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EggmkcOIws0

 

^FO View

 

Edited January 30, 2021 by b.mattay