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Well written write up and perspective! I’m in love with the Zipcores too and have them in 52* @ 50*, 54*, 58*.
 

The feel and control on these wedges is off the charts, and the design is gorgeous in my opinion! Will be gaming these as long as the grooves are good, without a doubt.

 

My previous wedges were TM Milled Grind, and they weren’t even close.

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Callaway Paradym X (15*) / Hzrdus Silver 6.0

Callaway Rogue St Max OS (21*) / Tensei AV Blue 75 S

Srixon ZX5 (4-PW) / Nippon Modus3 Tour 105 S

Cleveland RTX 6 Zipcore (52* Mid, 58* Mid) / DG Spinner

Odyssey White Hot OG 7 S

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Would you say that they might produce too much spin on full shots? Thinking of getting a lower lofted one (48 or 50*) and worried about shots ripping off

Driver: PXG BlackOps Tour 9* (Ventus Blue)

3 Wood: Titleist TSR2 15* (Tour AD UB)

Hybrid: Callaway Apex Pro

Irons: Mizuno JPX 923 Tour (Dynamic Gold 105)

Wedges: Cleveland RTX 52 & 56* / Titleist Vokey 60* 12D

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26 minutes ago, BassCatchr77 said:

I think these look fantastic as well, great review and write up. I don’t know what to think about these dg spinner shafts on full swings though. Do you have any thoughts on these shafts?

I am not sure about the Spinner shaft specs, but I am assuming that it is less heavy and less stout than some traditional wedge shafts. The last few shafts that I have tried were KBS Tour V wedge shaft, the old standard Dynamic Gold wedge flex shaft, the dynamic gold s200 that was accidentally put into my PM grind wedge, and the KBS hi-rev (this was in a friend's set.) I have always thought that the lighter the shaft, the less control I have of trajectory. However, I can flight this spinner shaft low or high pretty easily. 

 

I honestly think that the weight has more to do with spin for me than the flex. (although admittedly I have never tested the flex of wedge shafts.) The only time I have ever demo'd a wedge that spun too much on the course was a Callaway Mackdaddy wedge with a Dynamic Gold Tour issue S200 shaft. I spun a few balls right off of the green. 

 

Yesterday, I hit a shot from about 100 yards with the 56 degree Zipcore wedge.  When I hit it, I knew it was going to spin pretty well and remember thinking as the ball was in the air; "I hope that doesn't spin too much, it will come off of the false front on the green."  I had flighted it low, it pitched forward a few feet and jerked back right next to the ball mark. Just what I would want. Especially when I worried that it might be too much.

 

My only thought on the Spinner shaft at this point is: I currently would not change anything on the wedges in my bag. They are going the distance I would expect, spinning just fine, and perhaps spinning a little more than I had thought on my chips and pitches, but full swing, they seem to perform much like I'd expect the Dynamic Gold shaft in a vokey would.

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20 minutes ago, mjwidell said:

That is the only correction to @paztormike's post. I would amend his review to say that every manufacturer has built wedges based off the all time best selling Cleveland 588 shape. 🙂 Other than that, the Zipcore love is spot on!

My mistake. You are correct.

 

Although, I do feel that everyone is chasing Vokey at this point and has been for the past 15-20ish years. Cleveland really faded into the background for a while for some reason. I, for one, am really happy that they are back in a big way.

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3 hours ago, paztormike said:

I am not sure about the Spinner shaft specs, but I am assuming that it is less heavy and less stout than some traditional wedge shafts. The last few shafts that I have tried were KBS Tour V wedge shaft, the old standard Dynamic Gold wedge flex shaft, the dynamic gold s200 that was accidentally put into my PM grind wedge, and the KBS hi-rev (this was in a friend's set.) I have always thought that the lighter the shaft, the less control I have of trajectory. However, I can flight this spinner shaft low or high pretty easily. 

 

I honestly think that the weight has more to do with spin for me than the flex. (although admittedly I have never tested the flex of wedge shafts.) The only time I have ever demo'd a wedge that spun too much on the course was a Callaway Mackdaddy wedge with a Dynamic Gold Tour issue S200 shaft. I spun a few balls right off of the green. 

 

Yesterday, I hit a shot from about 100 yards with the 56 degree Zipcore wedge.  When I hit it, I knew it was going to spin pretty well and remember thinking as the ball was in the air; "I hope that doesn't spin too much, it will come off of the false front on the green."  I had flighted it low, it pitched forward a few feet and jerked back right next to the ball mark. Just what I would want. Especially when I worried that it might be too much.

 

My only thought on the Spinner shaft at this point is: I currently would not change anything on the wedges in my bag. They are going the distance I would expect, spinning just fine, and perhaps spinning a little more than I had thought on my chips and pitches, but full swing, they seem to perform much like I'd expect the Dynamic Gold shaft in a vokey would.

Ok awesome! Thanks for this write up these wedges with these shafts seem perfect now.

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18 hours ago, sadclevelandsports said:

Someone correct me on my history here, but wasn't Cleveland making wedges before Vokey?

Yes, pretty much the Cleveland 588 is what became the "go to" look for most wedges. Well before Vokey began designing wedges for Titleist.

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Ping G425 3wd @ Flat setting Fujikura Ventus Blue TR 5 Reg 
Ping G425 7wd @ -1 Flat setting Fujikura Ventus Blue TR 6 Reg
Ping G425 22 hybrid @ Flat setting Fujikura Ventus Blue HB 6 reg
PXG Gen 4 0311XP 6-GW Fujikura Axiom 75 R2 

Cleveland CBX Zipcore 50*, 56*, 60* DG Spinner Stiff stepped soft
Evnroll ER7  33” Rosemark grip

 

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18 hours ago, paztormike said:

I am not sure about the Spinner shaft specs, but I am assuming that it is less heavy and less stout than some traditional wedge shafts. The last few shafts that I have tried were KBS Tour V wedge shaft, the old standard Dynamic Gold wedge flex shaft, the dynamic gold s200 that was accidentally put into my PM grind wedge, and the KBS hi-rev (this was in a friend's set.) I have always thought that the lighter the shaft, the less control I have of trajectory. However, I can flight this spinner shaft low or high pretty easily. 

 

I honestly think that the weight has more to do with spin for me than the flex. (although admittedly I have never tested the flex of wedge shafts.) The only time I have ever demo'd a wedge that spun too much on the course was a Callaway Mackdaddy wedge with a Dynamic Gold Tour issue S200 shaft. I spun a few balls right off of the green. 

 

Yesterday, I hit a shot from about 100 yards with the 56 degree Zipcore wedge.  When I hit it, I knew it was going to spin pretty well and remember thinking as the ball was in the air; "I hope that doesn't spin too much, it will come off of the false front on the green."  I had flighted it low, it pitched forward a few feet and jerked back right next to the ball mark. Just what I would want. Especially when I worried that it might be too much.

 

My only thought on the Spinner shaft at this point is: I currently would not change anything on the wedges in my bag. They are going the distance I would expect, spinning just fine, and perhaps spinning a little more than I had thought on my chips and pitches, but full swing, they seem to perform much like I'd expect the Dynamic Gold shaft in a vokey would.

From what I understand talking to my buddy who works for True Temper the Spinner is basically a softer stepped DG. I played DG S400 8 iron shafts in my wedges for years. Just gave me a little more feel and more touch on the softer shots. 

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Ping G425 7wd @ -1 Flat setting Fujikura Ventus Blue TR 6 Reg
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PXG Gen 4 0311XP 6-GW Fujikura Axiom 75 R2 

Cleveland CBX Zipcore 50*, 56*, 60* DG Spinner Stiff stepped soft
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15 hours ago, paztormike said:

My mistake. You are correct.

 

Although, I do feel that everyone is chasing Vokey at this point and has been for the past 15-20ish years. Cleveland really faded into the background for a while for some reason. I, for one, am really happy that they are back in a big way.

 

I had Vokey's for years now and honestly I have never really liked them, not as much as I did the 588's.    As noted it did seem Cleveland was "fading" on wedges.  I picked up the new ZX7 irons and while doing the fitting hit the new RTX zipcores messing around and I am pretty sure I will be changing out my wedges this year.   

 

I started this year thinking I would not change out much of the bag but at the current pace only the 3 wood and putter are safe.....  😃 

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I just looked at Cleveland's website. It says stock shaft for zipcore is Dynamic Gold Tour issue.   

 

https://www.clevelandgolf.com/en/wedges-/rtx-zipcore-black-satin-wedge/MRTXZCBS.html

 

Is there a reason to get the DG Spinner. I seem to spin the ball plenty and the DG is what is in my old ones.

 

*Probably need to do a fitting LOL

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6 hours ago, CDM said:

I just looked at Cleveland's website. It says stock shaft for zipcore is Dynamic Gold Tour issue.   

 

https://www.clevelandgolf.com/en/wedges-/rtx-zipcore-black-satin-wedge/MRTXZCBS.html

 

Is there a reason to get the DG Spinner. I seem to spin the ball plenty and the DG is what is in my old ones.

 

*Probably need to do a fitting LOL

The chrome says dynamic gold spinner tour issue...?

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15 minutes ago, BirdieBob said:

The chrome says dynamic gold spinner tour issue...?

 

Yep, I was in the PGA Tour SS just a few hours ago and they all had DG Spinner shafts...

PING G430 Max 10.5 

PING G430 5w
Cleveland Launcher XL Halo 4H

Cleveland XL Halo 5H

Srixon MKii ZX5s 6-PW Modus 105s

Cleveland CBX4 Zipcore 48*

Cleveland CBX4 Zipcore 52*
Cleveland CBX4 Zipcore 56*

PXG Battle Ready 'Bat Attack' 

 

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If they have a sole grind as crafty as the zx7 irons i will test one for sure

Ping G430 10k 10.5* Diamana ZF 60x

Cally AI Smoke TD 3w 17* Ventus Black 5x

Ping G400 7w 19.5* Ventus Red 6x

Ping G425 4h 22* Fuji TourSpec 8.2s

Ping i210 & s55 6 - PW Steelfiber 110s

Ping Glide Wrx 49*, 54*, 59*, Tour W 64* SF 125s

Scotty GoLo
 

 

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3 hours ago, cardoustie said:

If they have a sole grind as crafty as the zx7 irons i will test one for sure

The mid grind is a v sole similar to those.

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Ping G425 3wd @ Flat setting Fujikura Ventus Blue TR 5 Reg 
Ping G425 7wd @ -1 Flat setting Fujikura Ventus Blue TR 6 Reg
Ping G425 22 hybrid @ Flat setting Fujikura Ventus Blue HB 6 reg
PXG Gen 4 0311XP 6-GW Fujikura Axiom 75 R2 

Cleveland CBX Zipcore 50*, 56*, 60* DG Spinner Stiff stepped soft
Evnroll ER7  33” Rosemark grip

 

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Just placed an order today for 54* and 58* raw wedges sight unseen based on feedback I heard and witnessed while playing with a buddy in FL a couple weeks ago.  He needed new wedges and picked up some off the rack at PGA SS and proceeded to chip/pitch better than I've ever seen him before.  Can't wait to get these in the bag and get them rusted up nicely.

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On 3/5/2021 at 3:06 PM, Orange Hog said:

Just placed an order today for 54* and 58* raw wedges sight unseen based on feedback I heard and witnessed while playing with a buddy in FL a couple weeks ago.  He needed new wedges and picked up some off the rack at PGA SS and proceeded to chip/pitch better than I've ever seen him before.  Can't wait to get these in the bag and get them rusted up nicely.

 

Did you ever get them? If so pics 

G425 Max 10.5* Diamana S LTD

G425 Max 16.5* Diamana 75 FW 

G425 Max 19* MMT 80 

Srixon ZX UT 23* MMT 90

Srixon ZX5 5-AW MMT 105

Cleveland CBX Zipcore 54/58 MMT 105 SW

Ping Kushin 4

 

 

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I bought a 50, 54, and 58 when they came out. I kept them in the bag for a bout a month.

 

I ended up putting my old virtually frictionless Vokeys back in the bag. 
 

I just didn’t get along with the new Cleveland wedges.

 

I’ve  since went to TaylorMade MG3 and love them. They feel more like my Vokeys, but with a little more forgiveness.

 

The new Zipcores we’re okay, but I could never tell where on the face I was hitting them other looking down for the grass stains on the groves. They were forgiving though, but we just didn’t get along.

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On 3/3/2021 at 5:38 PM, BassCatchr77 said:

I think these look fantastic as well, great review and write up. I don’t know what to think about these dg spinner shafts on full swings though. Do you have any thoughts on these shafts?

I think the DG spinner is a fine wedge shaft. I have tried em all and they are just fine. Very consistent. 

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I’ve had the rtx in the bag for about a year now.   Love em. 
over in the club tech section they have described the spinner shaft as an x100 8 iron shaft soft stepped.  Not sure that’s what these are but I ended up really liking them. 

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Too much to read for me so I skipped to the feel of the club. I'm a higher handicap  cavity back player but I prefer these type of wedges 48 degree on in. I'll have to give it a go tomorrow at the pro shop.

Cleveland Launcher XL2 Driver 

Cleveland Halo XL Hy-woods

Cleveland Halo XL Hybrids

Srixon ZX4 MK II Irons 6 - P

Cleveland CBX Zipcore 4 - 48, 51, 54

Cleveland HB soft 8 putter 

Srixon Q Star Tour 

       

       

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Previously had a tour rack rtx zipcore 60* low bounce and on a whim got rid of it and got the tour rack rtx zipcore full face 60*. I did notice the leading edge sticking up more than I liked compared to the normal low bounce 60* so I just scotchbright the trailing edge and heel for more relief and now that leading edge sits pretty flush when I open her up. 

always been a Cleveland wedge guy from the start. Just used to the profile even after Roger Cleveland left for callaway 

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I have a 50,54 and 58 with Spinner shafts and they are the best wedges cleveland has made since the 588 and tour 900 series.

They look great, feel so nice and spin the right amount. I have tried all the other wedges and they cannot compare

Driver- TITLEIST TSr1 10° AD-HD 6s
3 Wood- TITLEIST TSi2 15° AD-DI 7s
Hybrid- TITLEIST TSr2 21° AD-HY 75s

Irons- SRIXON Zx5 KBS Tour Lite 100s
Wedges- CALLAWAY Jaws Raw Black SF 95
Putter- SCOTTY CAMERON Phantom X 9.5

Ball- BRIDGESTONE Tour B X

 

 

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played them last year - they were awesome.

Using SM9 this year cause Im using T100S ... need my irons wedges to match! But I would have no problem playing the Zip Core again.

 

 

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TSR2 1K BLACK 85H 18

 

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NICKEL SM10 54S 58S

 

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