LIV with some big money announcements (*** TOPIC MODERATED ***)

[One Putter]

35 minutes ago, dwboston said:

 

I'd bet it's a LIV decision so as not have people doxxed by the media just for playing in a pro-am.

Uhhh i dont think you know what the word doxxed means.

[SnowbirdTom]

43 minutes ago, jdl said:

Probably correct but still would expect a few more notables to be there.

 

Here's the full list:

 

 

So, no A-list celebs to go with the B&C list defectors? Color me shocked.  

[idrive]

46 minutes ago, jdl said:

Probably correct but still would expect a few more notables to be there.

 

Here's the full list:

 

 

 

What happened to the shotgun start?

 

[avrag]

55 minutes ago, smashdn said:

You will have four opportunities to see the best players from the three "leagues" going head to head.

No. Unfortunately we won't, if Monahan gets his way.

[PhilsFanDrew]

1 hour ago, puttfordoux said:

LIV has brought to light what I'm sure other entities keep secret. Where the PGA Tour has an advantage is their affiliation with corporations and the charity aspect. LIV will never compete in that realm.

 

LIV better eventually compete in that realm or they won't be around in 5 years.  All the talk of Saudi "sportswashing" was and is total nonsense.  While I'm sure part of their goal with LIV is the potential to soften the attitudes and win the hearts and minds of the west over time, that is not their primary motivator.  They are trying to diversify their investments and see sports (in this case golf) as an avenue to make a lot of money.  With more and more developed countries introducing newer forms of alternative energy into the mainstream the Saudi's know that while oil is still king today, it may not be 20, 30, 40, etc years from now and its better to get out ahead of this while they still are extremely wealthy to explore other revenue streams to fortify and expand their wealth. 

 

The Saudi's are absolutely banking on the fact that they can make LIV a commercial success that they can package and sell in some capacity whether it's TV/streaming deals, corporate sponsorships, team ownership, etc. 

Edited July 28, 2022 by PhilsFanDrew

[jimb]

Charles Howell III is quoted as saying, for him, joining the LIV is not about money.  Really?!!!  Now, he tried to present a smoke screen of reasons why it isn't about money, but when you get to the bottom of it, Triple Sticks, it is about money.

[mitchl]

1 hour ago, dwboston said:

 

I'd bet it's a LIV decision so as not have people doxxed by the media just for playing in a pro-am.

sure, but any reporter can likely afford the $3 ticket to just go and find out who’s playing if they want to do that.  

[PorkChopExpress]

2 hours ago, bcc624 said:

I’m sad. Sad as a golf fan. A country is buying professional golf and trying to dismantle an American professional sports league and the established professional golf ecosystem. I’m trying to leave the morality piece out of it, but in general I’m against any country/government being involved with providing direct funding to sports, businesses, and etc. the country being Saudis Arabia makes it even worse. Professional golf is going to be diluted for the foreseeable future. You dangle these amounts of money in front of any one, they are going to take it. At the end of the day the PGA Tour can’t compete with unlimited money. It’s not a fair fight or competition. 

 

That's what the European tour said back a decade+ ago about the PGA not playing fair. 

 

What goes around comes around

[PorkChopExpress]

1 hour ago, jdl said:

 

 

Be hilarious if he took the cash too if offered lol

[PorkChopExpress]

2 hours ago, tgws said:

why even target little ol golf that nobody cares about

 

if they really wanna stir the pot then pay the top 10 NFL QBs 100 billion each to not play football

 

don't even bother setting up the rival league

 

NFL is trying to go global with the England, Germany, Mexico games. 

Won't be long before there'll be European teams, but they'll be part of the league, not rivals

[PorkChopExpress]

1 hour ago, Hocus_Pocus said:

 

What totally escapes you and therefore you fail to understand is that it's actually quite brilliant, because it will draw a LOT of viewers! 

 

Bedminster will be even bigger than Portland and it's only going to get bigger and bigger with the bigger cities.

[mitchl]

1 hour ago, dwboston said:

 

Phil isn't listed as playing in the Pro-Am, but he's on the list for the tournament.  😕

he needs to rest up.   He’s got a long three days of hitting more shots than the other players.

[idrive]

1 hour ago, Hocus_Pocus said:

 

What totally escapes you and therefore you fail to understand is that it's actually quite brilliant, because it will draw a LOT of viewers! 

 

Are they streaming their Pro-Am?

[bcc624]

6 minutes ago, PorkChopExpress said:

 

That's what the European tour said back a decade+ ago about the PGA not playing fair. 

 

What goes around comes around

Fair enough, don’t know enough about it. But As far as I know, the PGA Tour didn’t start with 100% direct funding from any country or government. 

[mitchl]

1 hour ago, jdl said:

 

Watch out Luke!   Greg Norman is about to throw a bag of money at you!

[idrive]

4 minutes ago, PorkChopExpress said:

 

Bedminster will be even bigger than Portland and it's only going to get bigger and bigger with the bigger cities.

 

Bigger?

 

Is that why they have their players pimpin discounted tickets? 

 

Ticket Master has them for 3-4 $'s each.  They can barely give them away.

 

But don't worry, their website will still say they "sold out"

[Titleist99]

1 hour ago, Hocus_Pocus said:

 

What totally escapes you and therefore you fail to understand is that it's actually quite brilliant, because it will draw a LOT of viewers! 

So, you are agreeing with the poster that it is "the   ultimate clown show" Right!?!

[Titleist99]

16 minutes ago, PorkChopExpress said:

 

Bedminster will be even bigger than Portland and it's only going to get bigger and bigger with the bigger cities.

LOL!.....So you keep telling me. Are you trying to convince me or yourself ?......LOL!

Edited July 28, 2022 by Titleist99

[khalespace]

58 minutes ago, SnowbirdTom said:

So, no A-list celebs to go with the B&C list defectors? Color me shocked.  

What would Saudi Arabia do to people like Caitlyn? And which tees will s/he play?

[PorkChopExpress]

7 minutes ago, Titleist99 said:

LOL!.....So you keep telling me. Are you trying to convince me or yourself ?......LOL!

 

LOL
Any event in Portland BIG lol hahahaha

 

But Portland is just a town, not a city hahahaha

 

Boston, Chicago, Miami, Bangkok

Those are cities 

[Titleist99]

10 minutes ago, PorkChopExpress said:

 

LOL
Any event in Portland BIG lol hahahaha

 

But Portland is just a town, not a city hahahaha

 

Boston, Chicago, Miami, Bangkok

Those are cities 

Oh, Okay.....Ringling Brothers circus hit the big times, Got it!

[Short Pete]

14 hours ago, aus10KC said:

 

Television is so old school, LIV is innovative. Do you think the preteens watch TV? No, they watch youtube and tiktok and that is what LIV is going after, you have to think down the road big picture.

That's why they have innovative formats like Stroke play and the shotgun start, and they throw millions at the players that move the needle for young golf enthusiasts: Poulter, Westwood, Stenson, Perez, Mickelson, Bland, Casey, Howell III, and great youthful announcers like McCord and Feherty.

Edited July 28, 2022 by Short Pete

[Titleist99]

40 minutes ago, mitchl said:

Watch out Luke!   Greg Norman is about to throw a bag of money at you!

Please let it happen and please let him take it! please, please!

[Frankensteins Monster]

3 hours ago, jdl said:

Giving away tickets but guess they couldn't give away many pro-am spots? Seems kinda sparse here....

 

 

[Titleist99]

50 minutes ago, idrive said:

 

Are they streaming their Pro-Am?

I'm sure they will if they have Charles Barkley there, right>!?!.....LOL

[CasualLie]

https://golf.com/news/david-hill-liv-golf-horrendous-truth-charles-barkley/

 

So how does this work again?  Not just directing this question at David Hill, but the many millennials/Gen Z out there.  Let me get this straight, most viewers of golf are over 50, and a big chunk over 75.  So to make golf fresh, and attract the younger generation, I am going to start a league of "over the hill golfers", commissioned by a 67 year old shark, play on courses designed by 82 year old Jack, and broadcast production will be by 75 year old David Hill (he is truly over the hill! wow, can't make it up!), and announced by two old guys who started playing golf with persimmon???

 

What am I missing here?  What's the saying?  "Fools and their money...."

 

I am not one to normally paint groups with a large brush, but LIV is making it easy.  

 

 

[CasualLie]

59 minutes ago, PorkChopExpress said:

 

NFL is trying to go global with the England, Germany, Mexico games. 

Won't be long before there'll be European teams, but they'll be part of the league, not rivals

 

Jeez...are you serious?  NFL already had a Euro league, for a long time.  They finally got tired of losing money and closed it down.  And they even smartly tried it as a developmental league hoping to bring players into NFL; it failed.  Getting fans to a game to watch American teams is doing well in its limited schedule, but that is a far cry from actually getting quality play from the local talent (less).

[smashdn]

1 hour ago, avrag said:

No. Unfortunately we won't, if Monahan gets his way.

 

I understand that is his wish.  However, and I fully understand there are some big ifs in this statement, when there is clearly one or multiples of the top ten or twenty professional golfers in the world locked out of the majors it will illegitimize them.

 

Let's say the best golfer in the world, through OWGR points or even just the eye test, is on LIV at some point and he is not in the field at the US Open or The Open due to being barred (even from qualifying methods/playing in), that sort of stifles their abilities to "test the best" or "identify the best" in the world, etc.

 

On the other hand, if the majors are when and only when the very best golfers in the world form all major men's professional tours come together, that is a really, really big deal.

[RH82]

2 hours ago, Hocus_Pocus said:

 

What totally escapes you and therefore you fail to understand is that it's actually quite brilliant, because it will draw a LOT of viewers! 

Nice try.

[bscinstnct]

18 hours ago, idrive said:

We're about to sell out.  We're being bought.

 

I'm really sad.

 

Golf will never be the same. We've handed it over to the next gen.

 

Only Louder

 

 

 

Lol, don’t despair. 
 

It’s becoming clear that liv is failing both as a sports product and sportswash. The NY/US media and social networks are ripping this and that won’t ever let up. Bad miscalculation. 
 

Most likely, it will get some traction in Australia and Japan if they sign CS and HM. 

 

But it’s going to continue to fail miserably in the US. 
 

For now, we see the same type of praise we might see a Kardashian get on social media….

 

They getting paid!

 

OMG, look at that jet! 
 

But, that type of hype dies out fast. What’s missing is any actual demand for the product.

 

$1 tickets. $3 for Sunday. 

Edited July 28, 2022 by bscinstnct