GEM Training Aid

[zacgolf]

 

[Mr_Wolfe]

17 hours ago, JOHNWAT said:

 

Mr Wolfe thanks for posting that video.

I just obtained my  GEM and have been working  with it.

I also notice that if I turn my torso(shoulders, chest,abdomen,hips) as I swing have much less if very little wobble.

how this translate into a good ball  flight I dont know,i dont have launch monitor or access to one.i always just follow my ball flight, which I like basically straight to where I am aiming.

hard to get a perfect slight fade or draw on every shot but I guess that is the goal.

I also like how your swing keeps hands below the shoulders.yes this promotes a flatter swing but so what?

I think working with this device will encourage a better swing because it almost forces you to use your torso, not just your arms.i think people who say it doesn't help their swing and cant get rid of wobble feeling are just not performing a good swing mechanics.for me it is encouraging a full body turn, with my back foot on toes at the finish.

I wish the GEM people would show high handicappers ball flight after using their device.

seeing it would go a long way to answering questions, and maybe enhance some improvements.

 

I am 75+,20+handicapper trying to improve, started golf about 15-20 years ago, have had lots of "pro lessons" and tried different gadgets,,we will just give this device some time, and I will follow this forum for others experience.

John Watermeier

 

Sure thing. My swing is still a work in progress. I used to be very steep and over the top. When using the GEM, I like that it flattens my swing some, but real swing is still steeper. Here is me hitting a ball. My biggest issue is my arms getting behind me, but it is improving.

 

Mr. Wolfe

[Nickc]

18 hours ago, JOHNWAT said:

sorry ,just to add I saw a guy on you tube  mention using a locking pliers7-8 in long clamped to his shaft to obtain the same feeling.anyone tried this?

John Watermeier

Yes see my post on previous page ...not sure if you get the same feeling as I had no wobble!..but balances the club to be toe up just fine.

[glk]

6 hours ago, Mr_Wolfe said:

 

Sure thing. My swing is still a work in progress. I used to be very steep and over the top. When using the GEM, I like that it flattens my swing some, but real swing is still steeper. Here is me hitting a ball. My biggest issue is my arms getting behind me, but it is improving.

 

Mr. Wolfe

Swing_Rear.mov

Get the shaft standing up more after p2   Right now you lay it off arms go too much around and not enough up -likely cause of being late with the arms.

check where shaft points at p3 - it should point at or inside the ball - you are over and past it.   Also at p3 you want hands in front of right pec - yours are behind. Face on would tell more too.

 

Then go have a plate of pierogies and haluski at Perogies Plus!

Edited December 19, 2022 by glk

[Mr_Wolfe]

1 hour ago, glk said:

Get the shaft standing up more after p2   Right now you lay it off arms go too much around and not enough up -likely cause of being late with the arms.

check where shaft points at p3 - it should point at or inside the ball - you are over and past it.   Also at p3 you want hands in front of right pec - yours are behind. Face on would tell more too.

 

Then go have a plate of pierogies and haluski at Perogies Plus!

 

Dude, no lie - having perogies tonight...

 

Mr. Wolfe

[glk]

32 minutes ago, Mr_Wolfe said:

 

Dude, no lie - having perogies tonight...

 

Mr. Wolfe

Perogies plus is our favorite when in town   Gfs has passable ones   In new mexico itis a foreign food, lol.     Have my mom's recipe but that is a labour of love.

[zacgolf]

Another video that maybe of interest to some…

 

[zacgolf]

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[golfie1]

1 hour ago, zacgolf said:

Another video that maybe of interest to some…

 

Camera angle is difficult. IMO  Everything is terrible about the swing until the transition where he makes a surprisingly decent transition. Probably a decent move through the ball relative to his development.  The GEM may have been benefical.

[JOHNWAT]

Thanks zacgolf,mr Wolfe for this great instruction.

anyone know what the wobble feeling is caused by,like  maybe the weight of clubhead not in sync  with the GEM weight? like 2 weights pulling apart from each other? just curious.

John Watermeier

[RobertBaron]

48 minutes ago, JOHNWAT said:

Thanks zacgolf,mr Wolfe for this great instruction.

anyone know what the wobble feeling is caused by,like  maybe the weight of clubhead not in sync  with the GEM weight? like 2 weights pulling apart from each other? just curious.

John Watermeier

Gyroscopic effect maybe? So yeah basically 2 weights moving separately.

Edited December 20, 2022 by RobertBaron

[Zitlow]

Out of curiosity what would happen if the weight was on top of the grip matching the same orientation as the clubhead? 

[Soloman1]

8 hours ago, Zitlow said:

Out of curiosity what would happen if the weight was on top of the grip matching the same orientation as the clubhead? 

 

It would be version II Tour Model at $199.95.

Act now, supplies are limited.

[Zitlow]

12 hours ago, Soloman1 said:

 

It would be version II Tour Model at $199.95.

Act now, supplies are limited.

Might be the ticket to take the wobble out. 

[The jolly jock 555]

Fantastic piece of kit , cured my slice now hitting a baby draw .. Handicap 2

[grillkungen]

Would the GEM give the similar feel as the SKLZ Gyro Swing training club?

[fwilliam]

Built a gem knockoff for 12.00 using parts from the local hardware store.Used as a warmup attached to a PW. Not seeing much benefit as I have worked on takeaway with toe up and followthrough to toe up for quite some time and my sequencing apparently is OK. I warm up every session with the "9 to 3" swings.Works as a warmup tool and I am glad I didn't bite on the $140 unit.

[getitdaily]

So which one of you guys is going to post before swings and after gem swings? 

[golfarb1]

9 hours ago, grillkungen said:

Would the GEM give the similar feel as the SKLZ Gyro Swing training club?

 

CAVEAT

I have owned and used the Gyroswing for many years . I have never bought the GME but have hit balls and filmed my swing with a wrench on the shaft to simulate the weight of the GME  .

 

 

Similar but very different

 

Backswing 
The weight of the GME  results in  a takeaway and backswing that is too inside and a lead arm position at 9: 00 that is too far across the body with the hands too deep. One might avoid this issue , by placing the weight at a different  angle on the shaft .

 

By itself the Gyroscope in the Gyro Swing will cause the forearms  to roll the clubhead too much to the inside . This will also open the clubface . But if you also concentrate on maintaining the yellow line on the GYRO shaft until after your hands move outside your right knee , these problems will be avoided . 

Transition 

The weight of the GME will encourage more of a karate chop move , which is positive movement. 

The Gyro swing will encourage a similar movement. However , the Gyroswing will ALSO give immediate negative feedback if you start down with an over the top move 

Impact 

Both the Gyroswing and the GME encourage supination of the lead forearm to square the clubface. To the extent that such supination replaces ribcage rotation , BOTH  encourage a more handsy 

release . However , if you turn the batteries upside down in the Gyro, the gyroscope will turn the other way and actually discourage  such a handsy release .

If you place the weight of the GME  at a different angle ,  you might be able to discourage a handsy release, but doing so seems to eliminate the raison d’etre for the GME.

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[skraly]

12 hours ago, grillkungen said:

Would the GEM give the similar feel as the SKLZ Gyro Swing training club?

No.  I had a chance to try a buddies Gyro swing and the GEM is very different.

[Ex Blade User]

21 hours ago, golfarb1 said:

 

CAVEAT

I have owned and used the Gyroswing for many years . I have never bought the GME but have hit balls and filmed my swing with a wrench on the shaft to simulate the weight of the GME  .

 

 

Similar but very different

 

Backswing 
The weight of the GME  results in  a takeaway and backswing that is too inside and a lead arm position at 9: 00 that is too far across the body with the hands too deep. One might avoid this issue , by placing the weight at a different  angle on the shaft .

 

By itself the Gyroscope in the Gyro Swing will cause the forearms  to roll the clubhead too much to the inside . This will also open the clubface . But if you also concentrate on maintaining the yellow line on the GYRO shaft until after your hands move outside your right knee , these problems will be avoided . 

Transition 

The weight of the GME will encourage more of a karate chop move , which is positive movement. 

The Gyro swing will encourage a similar movement. However , the Gyroswing will ALSO give immediate negative feedback if you start down with an over the top move 

Impact 

Both the Gyroswing and the GME encourage supination of the lead forearm to square the clubface. To the extent that such supination replaces ribcage rotation , BOTH  encourage a more handsy 

release . However , if you turn the batteries upside down in the Gyro, the gyroscope will turn the other way and actually discourage  such a handsy release .

If you place the weight of the GME  at a different angle ,  you might be able to discourage a handsy release, but doing so seems to eliminate the raison d’etre for the GME.

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Been a long time lurker but reading this thread I am driven to post.
 

None of this post I quoted is true. The GEM does not encourage a flip or handsy release it’s actually quite the opposite. Also actually promotes a correct takeaway not an inside across chest takeaway as stated as that’s what I was prone to for 25 years and now it’s showing me the feel of the opposite. Don’t the stick drill, planare, you name it etc etc and NOTHING worked like this thing.  Also you’re not supposed to hit balls with the weight (wrench lol) on. I’m a 2 handicap here and has completely improved my swing from a slight wipey impact condition to a nice solid draw with all clubs in only a couple weeks of using it. Has taught me how to use the body and not the arms in the swing. Game changer 

 

putting a wrench on your club is nowhere near the same thing and honestly laughable to try and give people advice on the well made, professional aid. It’s like well the VW I drive wobbles at 85 mph so I’m sure the Porsche does too…..

 

also all the people saying it’s not working but are using a cheap DIY version…Cmon just buy the real thing before you comment on if the concept works or not. You have no idea if the weighting or balance is the same which is a very important part of the whole thing. I don’t work for gem or anything just kind of blown away at the results and want to erase these misconceptions by commenters not using the real thing. 

Edited December 25, 2022 by Ex Blade User

[golfarb1]

2 hours ago, Ex Blade User said:

Been a long time lurker but reading this thread I am driven to post.
 

None of this post I quoted is true. The GEM does not encourage a flip or handsy release it’s actually quite the opposite. Also actually promotes a correct takeaway not an inside across chest takeaway as stated as that’s what I was prone to for 25 years and now it’s showing me the feel of the opposite. Don’t the stick drill, planare, you name it etc etc and NOTHING worked like this thing.  Also you’re not supposed to hit balls with the weight (wrench lol) on. I’m a 2 handicap here and has completely improved my swing from a slight wipey impact condition to a nice solid draw with all clubs in only a couple weeks of using it. Has taught me how to use the body and not the arms in the swing. Game changer 

 

putting a wrench on your club is nowhere near the same thing and honestly laughable to try and give people advice on the well made, professional aid. It’s like well the VW I drive wobbles at 85 mph so I’m sure the Porsche does too…..

 

also all the people saying it’s not working but are using a cheap DIY version…Cmon just buy the real thing before you comment on if the concept works or not. You have no idea if the weighting or balance is the same which is a very important part of the whole thing. I don’t work for gem or anything just kind of blown away at the results and want to erase these misconceptions by commenters not using the real thing. 

I specifically stated that I did not use the actual GME device , so it is possible that the weighting will be different . 

Instead I refer you to The videos on GME posted by Steve Johnston  , one of the more ardent supporters of GME . 

He has an inside takeaway with his lead arm far across his chest at 9:00

At impact he has stalled his  pelvis rotation resulting in a square pelvis at impact . Because of his stalled rotation he has been forced to square the clubface with his hands . That is the definition of a handsy release . 
 

Edited December 25, 2022 by golfarb1

[Ex Blade User]

1 hour ago, golfarb1 said:

I specifically stated that I did not use the actual GME device , so it is possible that the weighting will be different . 

Instead I refer you to The videos on GME posted by Steve Johnston  , one of the more ardent supporters of GME . 

He has an inside takeaway with his lead arm far across his chest at 9:00

At impact he has stalled his  pelvis rotation resulting in a square pelvis at impact . Because of his stalled rotation he has been forced to square the clubface with his hands . That is the definition of a handsy release . 
 

You were quoting as if from experience. That’s is how he seems to use it but it has not been close to that in my personal experience. If I swing it like that it wobbles all over the place. Not until I had it on plane and using my body did it stabilize. 

[TheHorse]

Anyone struggling with over hooking when using the GEM?  I've realized that forever I swing the club out to the right and turn my wrists over to get it "straight-ish".  The GEM seems to want you to keep the club on plane which is great, but I can't seem to stop the turning over of my wrist which leads to a shot starting left and hooking more left.

 

Seems like part of the evolution, but wanted to see if anyone else is experience anything similar?

 

 

[Railroading13]

On 12/25/2022 at 12:55 PM, Ex Blade User said:

Been a long time lurker but reading this thread I am driven to post.
 

None of this post I quoted is true. The GEM does not encourage a flip or handsy release it’s actually quite the opposite. Also actually promotes a correct takeaway not an inside across chest takeaway as stated as that’s what I was prone to for 25 years and now it’s showing me the feel of the opposite. Don’t the stick drill, planare, you name it etc etc and NOTHING worked like this thing.  Also you’re not supposed to hit balls with the weight (wrench lol) on. I’m a 2 handicap here and has completely improved my swing from a slight wipey impact condition to a nice solid draw with all clubs in only a couple weeks of using it. Has taught me how to use the body and not the arms in the swing. Game changer 

 

putting a wrench on your club is nowhere near the same thing and honestly laughable to try and give people advice on the well made, professional aid. It’s like well the VW I drive wobbles at 85 mph so I’m sure the Porsche does too…..

 

also all the people saying it’s not working but are using a cheap DIY version…Cmon just buy the real thing before you comment on if the concept works or not. You have no idea if the weighting or balance is the same which is a very important part of the whole thing. I don’t work for gem or anything just kind of blown away at the results and want to erase these misconceptions by commenters not using the real thing. 

 

 

completely agree great post, I’m a 3 cap and feel the same way it’s a game changer. I’m striking the ball much more solid and on plane, using rotation more and the aid sticks with you. Everyone should just buy the real thing, best training aid I’ve ever used well worth the 126 I spent

 

[Ex Blade User]

4 hours ago, TheHorse said:

Anyone struggling with over hooking when using the GEM?  I've realized that forever I swing the club out to the right and turn my wrists over to get it "straight-ish".  The GEM seems to want you to keep the club on plane which is great, but I can't seem to stop the turning over of my wrist which leads to a shot starting left and hooking more left.

 

Seems like part of the evolution, but wanted to see if anyone else is experience anything similar?

 

 

Focus on not letting the right wrist unload early by stopping the body turn and shutting the face. At first to me it felt like it would slice off the planet but actually turns into a nice little draw 

Edited December 28, 2022 by Ex Blade User

[yasu123]

I agree 100% with Ex Blade User. Probably should buy the GEM and try. I am not sure if the balance and weighting of a makeshift would be the same. Plus, how much do you guys pay for a round of golf and struggle during the round at times without knowing what is wrong? A cheap round at a muni is what? $40-50 dollars? The Gem isn't all that expensive for what it helps with.

 

Before I got the GEM I was always throwing the club shaft out to the target with the butt of the club staying pointed towards my inside side of my body.  The GEM shows that the shaft needs to be continued on a path around the body. If you address the ball, lift the club up to waist high and turn your shoulders to face the 90 degrees to the address position, that is the position you need to pass through to keep the GEM from wobbling.

 

When I first started swing the GEM I felt that I was going to pull every shot. It appears to be an over the top swing but I think that is an illusion because of body rotation through the shot. With the hips fully rotating and the shoulders opening thru impact you will appear to be swinging from the outside. But if you come into the ball slightly from the inside into impact and let the club swing around you the club will have a more powerful path that allows for speed, and all those pictures you see where the trail wrist is still slightly flexed back will be easier to achieve.

 

When the shaft is waist high in the follow thru I would ask that you make sure the body has turned through impact and the butt of the club is pointing somewhere thru the middle of your body.

 

IN the video with the Professional who made the Senior Open cut he says that the GEM needs to continue to point at the target thru the release. For me that means there has to be rotation of the trail hand so that when the shaft is parallel in the follow thru the trail wrist is in a handshake position and moving towards even more rotation as the club moves up. That's how the GEM continues to point at the target even as the club moves up to the finish.

 

 

 

 

[jdoster06]

First post here, felt inclined after reading this thread. Wanted to say a few things. First, I appreciate all of the information everyone who has the GEM or the DIY version has shared so far regarding this. I have looked around on the internet to get a feel of if this was worth a try and didnt find much anywhere else. I currently hit the ball with a slightly closed FTP, but I dont think that means I should avoid this training aid. There are different reasons people hit different shots. The reason for me is because I stall out in my upper half rotation, and throw my arms at the ball and close the clubface. I want to do something with more rotation and less feel. I think this can help me down that path. I built my own today (tried posting this earlier but had to wait to get my account approved) and feel the wobble, moreso the more I throw my hands. I'm just doing belt high to belt high swings but if I feel like I keep my wrist cocked (or flexed or whatever you want to call it) and rotate, there isnt a wobble, or it is MUCH less noticable. Hoping I'm on the right track because I would love to change my flightpath and tendencies this year. Thanks again everyone who shared info in this thread. 

[Ex Blade User]

11 minutes ago, jdoster06 said:

First post here, felt inclined after reading this thread. Wanted to say a few things. First, I appreciate all of the information everyone who has the GEM or the DIY version has shared so far regarding this. I have looked around on the internet to get a feel of if this was worth a try and didnt find much anywhere else. I currently hit the ball with a slightly closed FTP, but I dont think that means I should avoid this training aid. There are different reasons people hit different shots. The reason for me is because I stall out in my upper half rotation, and throw my arms at the ball and close the clubface. I want to do something with more rotation and less feel. I think this can help me down that path. I built my own today (tried posting this earlier but had to wait to get my account approved) and feel the wobble, moreso the more I throw my hands. I'm just doing belt high to belt high swings but if I feel like I keep my wrist cocked (or flexed or whatever you want to call it) and rotate, there isnt a wobble, or it is MUCH less noticable. Hoping I'm on the right track because I would love to change my flightpath and tendencies this year. Thanks again everyone who shared info in this thread. 

Yes that’s been my experience as well. The more I focus on NOT using the hands or keeping the angle in the right wrist the better the gem feels. Translate to a golf swing and the bal just flies off the face with a nice draw. Just hard as it’s totally different than my release forever