Speculative - G430 tech?

[karstens_ghost]

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20220161105A1/en?assignee=karsten+manufacturing&oq=karsten+manufacturing&sort=new

 

If this recently filed patent says that Ping is going with a micro-surface driver face, it seems like "true roll" but for the driver… the mind boggles.

[AtlantaGolf3]

52 minutes ago, karstens_ghost said:

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20220161105A1/en?assignee=karsten+manufacturing&oq=karsten+manufacturing&sort=new

 

If this recently filed patent says that Ping is going with a micro-surface driver face, it seems like "true roll" but for the driver… the mind boggles.

Whoever can interpret that patent accurately deserves to be able to copy it. 

[wcbjr]

A cell-lattice/hollow face.  I'm interested to see how they finally get those face plates to stick together creating that lattice.

 

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merged together without using adhesives or fasteners, such as via a high-pressure and/or high-heat process.

 

[animalgolfs]

10 minutes ago, wcbjr said:

A cell-lattice/hollow face.  I'm interested to see how they finally get those face plates to stick together creating that lattice.

 

 

[ShortSticks]

WOW,

 

 

 

mind blown!

[amace04]

Doubt it would be the G430, they likely already have that ore or less ready if they're going to be releasing this winter, especially given they've got 2 years to build it.  Could simply be a concept for the future.

[LeftDot]

2 hours ago, wcbjr said:

A cell-lattice/hollow face.  I'm interested to see how they finally get those face plates to stick together creating that lattice.

 

 

 

The patent reads like the face will be metal 3D printed, in which case I'd guess they just build the 3d print file to make the lattice. Maybe they could stir or vibratory weld the back plate on to the printed lattice, or likewise to bond face to body?

[awtryau89]

Didn't they have this tech before in an older patent or is this the same one? I remember Ping having a honeycomb faced driver where the weight savings from the face is being redistributed.

[Jeff58]

4 minutes ago, awtryau89 said:

Didn't they have this tech before in an older patent or is this the same one? I remember Ping having a honeycomb faced driver where the weight savings from the face is being redistributed.

The initial application appears to have been made in 2012, if I read it correctly. At that time, the internal matrix would have probably been made with a lithographic process similar to computer chip manufacturing. The idea seems to have been shelved, probably readdressed by the possibility of 3D printing.

 

There would still be several very difficult challenges and basic material limitations here, regardless of how the matrix itself is created. The ability to form titanium has also progressed significantly since that time, limiting any potential advantages. I would hope that Ping remains (or regains) focus in their logistics and standard product mix rather than becoming sidetracked betting on a potentially significant, or disastrous detour.

[keyser]

Guessing G430 will have the "carbon fly wrap". 

 

[Milfordlefty]

2 hours ago, Jeff58 said:

The initial application appears to have been made in 2012, if I read it correctly. At that time, the internal matrix would have probably been made with a lithographic process similar to computer chip manufacturing. The idea seems to have been shelved, probably readdressed by the possibility of 3D printing.

 

There would still be several very difficult challenges and basic material limitations here, regardless of how the matrix itself is created. The ability to form titanium has also progressed significantly since that time, limiting any potential advantages. I would hope that Ping remains (or regains) focus in their logistics and standard product mix rather than becoming sidetracked betting on a potentially significant, or disastrous detour.

regardless of how the matrix itself is created. The AI machines became sentient and maybe all golfers are in a computer generated world were we golf all day to create energy for the machines, we are golfing batteries!

[LeftDot]

4 hours ago, Jeff58 said:

The initial application appears to have been made in 2012, if I read it correctly. At that time, the internal matrix would have probably been made with a lithographic process similar to computer chip manufacturing. The idea seems to have been shelved, probably readdressed by the possibility of 3D printing.

 

There would still be several very difficult challenges and basic material limitations here, regardless of how the matrix itself is created. The ability to form titanium has also progressed significantly since that time, limiting any potential advantages. I would hope that Ping remains (or regains) focus in their logistics and standard product mix rather than becoming sidetracked betting on a potentially significant, or disastrous detour.

 

 

Titanium alloys are used for a few different 3D printed product fields, and I'm not sure a 7-or-higher-axis CNC machine could do some of the fine geometries and patterns laid out by the patent. As I've thought about this a bit more, I'm left wondering just how useful this would/could be: driver faces are pretty thin as it is. If they can figure out how to make some sort of printed honeycomb structure that's the same thickness and just as strong as a forged face, good for them. I think it would be fractions of a gram they'd be moving, though.

[AtlantaGolf3]

I’m more concerned about losing the turbulators. 
 

what are the chances they will get rid of them. They are the main thing that’s held me back. 

[Morry]

Please change the sound and make it lighter 

[BlkNGld]

On 6/13/2022 at 7:14 AM, amace04 said:

Doubt it would be the G430, they likely already have that ore or less ready if they're going to be releasing this winter, especially given they've got 2 years to build it.  Could simply be a concept for the future.

Patents can take a long time from submission to issue.    Really can’t draw a conclusion based on when a patent issues.  

[NetBogey]

Are the G430s scheduled for release this season?

[BubbaBallesteros]

9 minutes ago, bryceyf said:

Are the G430s scheduled for release this season?

I'd say Fall 2022 on tour and January/February 2023 for retail.

[karstens_ghost]

On 6/14/2022 at 7:30 AM, LeftDot said:

 

 

Titanium alloys are used for a few different 3D printed product fields, and I'm not sure a 7-or-higher-axis CNC machine could do some of the fine geometries and patterns laid out by the patent. As I've thought about this a bit more, I'm left wondering just how useful this would/could be: driver faces are pretty thin as it is. If they can figure out how to make some sort of printed honeycomb structure that's the same thickness and just as strong as a forged face, good for them. I think it would be fractions of a gram they'd be moving, though.

 

It's not a mass-saving concept. It's more like they had with true-roll. The idea is that they can make parts of the face both more responsive/springier, and also deflect in different ways. Thus if you miss in a certain area of the face, the shaping of the pattern minimises it. Similar to "twist-face", but instead of relying on the bend and thickness, it responds with shaping and restitution by how it is shaped statically.

 

IANAL, but I think the 0.83 CoR test is only applicable to the centre of the head?

[LeftDot]

That makes much more sense. 

 

Google tells me the CoR test is done across various spots on the face. Maybe the patterning will help them approach the limit better at wider points on the face? I haven't looked in to CoR at different places.

[Ghostwedge]

On 6/13/2022 at 7:21 PM, AtlantaGolf3 said:

I’m more concerned about losing the turbulators. 
 

what are the chances they will get rid of them. They are the main thing that’s held me back. 

Wow ! can't believe people are still woofing on the turbs.

Why turn down an extra 1 mph and 2 yds distance. 😎

[Anser3]

Looks like a G400 in the photos.

[Anser3]

9 hours ago, Ghostwedge said:

Wow ! can't believe people are still woofing on the turbs.

Why turn down an extra 1 mph and 2 yds distance. 😎

 

 

If they didn't produce some positive effect without compromise, Ping would have gotten rid of them a long time ago.  Ping is, and always has been, an engineering company first.  They don't randomly try things with clubs then do away with them a year later.  The Turbulators apparently work. It took me some time to get used to them in the G30.  I don't really notice them now in the G425.  

Edited June 16, 2022 by Anser3

[Ghostwedge]

On 6/13/2022 at 12:51 PM, keyser said:

Guessing G430 will have the "carbon fly wrap". 

 

Kaw neechee waa !

G400 footprint, carbon fly wrap, true roll face, TURBULATORS, sign me up !

Domo arri gotto, su me sue men. 👍

[AtlantaGolf3]

4 hours ago, Ghostwedge said:

Wow ! can't believe people are still woofing on the turbs.

Why turn down an extra 1 mph and 2 yds distance. 😎

I don’t believe they add that claimed speed. And yes, I gave it my all and compared with optimized shafts, head weights for all drivers. Compared ping, Callaway, TM, titleist to equivalent SS with the exception of gained SS with overall lighter weights.  
 

if you picked up the club and instantly gained 3mph, then that’s great. Just not for me when I made things apples to apples. 

[erock9174]

1 hour ago, AtlantaGolf3 said:

I don’t believe they add that claimed speed. And yes, I gave it my all and compared with optimized shafts, head weights for all drivers. Compared ping, Callaway, TM, titleist to equivalent SS with the exception of gained SS with overall lighter weights.  
 

if you picked up the club and instantly gained 3mph, then that’s great. Just not for me when I made things apples to apples. 

It was only at Bubba and above swing Speeds for the turbs to have an effect 

[BubbaBallesteros]

2 hours ago, erock9174 said:

It was only at Bubba and above swing Speeds for the turbs to have an effect 

Yeah, drag force is proportional to velocity^2, so at higher you will see greater gains from the turbulators. For some people it's a visual alignment aid too.

 

I don't mind them on the drivers but I rather the clean matte look of the G425 fairways/hybrids.

[Whatnogarnish]

I guess Ping purchased Nike patents? 
 

Saw these on eBay. Already sold. 
 

[getair23]

1 hour ago, Whatnogarnish said:

I guess Ping purchased Nike patents? 
 

Saw these on eBay. Already sold. 
 

Ping actually did purchase some of the Nike IP and patents when they exited the equipment business. 

[Strategery]

Fingers and toes crossed for a good 2023 Ping driver.

[USMgolfer1]

Cavity back driver incoming?