LIV Tour Discussion Thread (*** NO POLITICS ***)

[subrew]

23 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

I think them going 72 holes and losing the shotgun is inevitable.  They probably told him this , as info to sweeten the deal , and it was no real concession  because they’ll have to do it to gain points  anyway. 

 

Out of curiosity, what part of the shotgun start do you dislike? 

[Dutch1008]

35 minutes ago, Custom said:

This is spot one. The minute LIV started taking big name players, PGA scrambled and pulled out massive amounts of money out of thin air raising all the prize money by insane amounts for 2023. Without Phil none of that would have happened. PGA players should be thanking the LIV guys for everything. Rory whinelroy will go down as the biggest loser, and I love seeing it.

 Live look at Rory while he contemplates @Custom calling him a loser...

 

[TiScape]

12 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

I think them going 72 holes and losing the shotgun is inevitable.  They probably told him this , as info to sweeten the deal , and it was no real concession  because they’ll have to do it to gain points  anyway. 

During an interview I watched this morning they asked Rahm about the 54 holes, shotgun start and loud music aspect. Saying they felt it was kinda “corny”. Jon said at first his stance was skepticism towards those aspects as well. But over time the more he looked at it the more he understood (💰) it. Lol 😂 At least the entertainment value of all this is gold. 

[BlackDiamondPar5]

1 hour ago, RobS said:

Pro golf has jumped the shark.  This reminds me of the dot com bubble.  Players feeling themselves with an overinflated sense of worth, investors throwing insane capital around.  People talk about growth, I'm not so sure they can even maintain the pro golf fan base.  This off course drama is entertaining but when it comes down to being a fan, it's a bit of a turn off in the end.  I think the net result is diminished interest in pro golf, which was pretty small to begin with. I could be wrong and just lack the vision.  It's hard to imagine that golf could become more elitist but here we are. 

I like Rahm but his press appearances looked like hostage videos.  The legacy of this current generation of pro golfers will be that of mercenaries.  Unless the Saudis want to support pro golf at these levels in perpetuity, pro golf will likely need to be rebuilt at a later date.  The current LIV stars probably view themselves as trailblazers but history will likely remember them as mercenaries that helped burn things to the ground.

Best post of the day! 

[ThinkingPlus]

3 minutes ago, TiScape said:

During an interview I watched this morning they asked Rahm about the 54 holes, shotgun start and loud music aspect. Saying they felt it was kinda “corny”. Jon said at first his stance was skepticism towards those aspects as well. But over time the more he looked at it the more he understood (💰) it. Lol 😂 At least the entertainment value of all this is gold. 

That's what happens when you sell your soul...

[TiScape]

3 minutes ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

Best post of the day! 

*Week

[Garydean]

I call bs lol

[ahenderX]

51 minutes ago, Cars said:

Look its pretty clear that LIV exposed the PGAT own hypocrisies and I'm glad that the PGAT has some competition. Guess what? Thats called capitalism. Make a better product and capitalism will sort itself out. 

 

PGAT was extraordinarily greedy and they could get away with it because there was no competing product. Now that there is a competing product suddenly they have the money to generate larger purses and get the best players there. The PGAT would not have changed had LIV not come around and I'm glad they no longer have a monopoly on the sport. This is a good thing because now they will be forced to make a better product. 

 

Rory was ready to light guys on fire for going over to LIV and now that he has removed himself from that arena (or was asked to leave) he comes out in support of his "friend" Jon when he completely cut Sergio out of his life for...doing the exact same thing that Rahm did. 

 

Rory and Monahan are the biggest losers of this entire "rivalry" and Rory looks like a complete joke and his shilling for the PGAT was a complete waste of time and unfortunately for him he likely won't be able to save face from the things he said since LIV came out. 

 

I for one am happy that there is some competition in professional golf and all of us should be happy that the PGAT is now forced to innovate and their monopoly on the product is gone

Omg. It’s not capitalism when an oil monarchy is trying to outspend you. 

[TiScape]

11 minutes ago, Dutch1008 said:

 Live look at Rory while he contemplates @Custom calling him a loser...

 

Did Rory stop with the whole Peloton/cardio thing??? 
 

[wedgegame]

13 minutes ago, subrew said:

Out of curiosity, what part of the shotgun start do you dislike? 

It makes the final holes of a tournament less compelling. 

[TiScape]

1 minute ago, Garydean said:

I call bs lol

We agree 

[golfgirlrobin]

7 minutes ago, subrew said:

 

Out of curiosity, what part of the shotgun start do you dislike? 

Personally, I think there’s a basic unfairness to starting on different holes. Sure, everyone has to play every hole, but on a Sunday, would you rather start on the number one hdcp hole that has water everywhere and a tight fairway or the 18th handicap with the open fairway? It presents the course, not as the challenge was designed, but for the same reason that your local scramble does it, just getting everyone going at the same time.

[ahenderX]

Ok. There’s some serious lol comments in this thread. Love it!

[KNOWMOREDOUBLES]

1 hour ago, Cars said:

Look its pretty clear that LIV exposed the PGAT own hypocrisies and I'm glad that the PGAT has some competition. Guess what? Thats called capitalism. Make a better product and capitalism will sort itself out. 

 

PGAT was extraordinarily greedy and they could get away with it because there was no competing product. Now that there is a competing product suddenly they have the money to generate larger purses and get the best players there. The PGAT would not have changed had LIV not come around and I'm glad they no longer have a monopoly on the sport. This is a good thing because now they will be forced to make a better product. 

 

Rory was ready to light guys on fire for going over to LIV and now that he has removed himself from that arena (or was asked to leave) he comes out in support of his "friend" Jon when he completely cut Sergio out of his life for...doing the exact same thing that Rahm did. 

 

Rory and Monahan are the biggest losers of this entire "rivalry" and Rory looks like a complete joke and his shilling for the PGAT was a complete waste of time and unfortunately for him he likely won't be able to save face from the things he said since LIV came out. 

 

I for one am happy that there is some competition in professional golf and all of us should be happy that the PGAT is now forced to innovate and their monopoly on the product is gone

LIV Bot shots coming in hot!!!

Edited December 8, 2023 by KNOWMOREDOUBLES

[TiScape]

7 minutes ago, ahenderX said:

Ok. There’s some serious lol comments in this thread. Love it!

Hey, at least we can sit back and laugh while the sport we love is burning 🔥 down around us. Beats cryin’ 🤷🏼‍♂️

[SnowbirdTom]

4 minutes ago, TiScape said:

Hey, at least we can sit back and laugh while the sport we love is burning 🔥 down around us. Beats cryin’ 🤷🏼‍♂️

I’ve got good clubs, balls and a few tee times. My sports interest isn’t disintegrating. TV golf is for the days when the weather is crap.

[bladehunter]

29 minutes ago, TiScape said:

During an interview I watched this morning they asked Rahm about the 54 holes, shotgun start and loud music aspect. Saying they felt it was kinda “corny”. Jon said at first his stance was skepticism towards those aspects as well. But over time the more he looked at it the more he understood (💰) it. Lol 😂 At least the entertainment value of all this is gold. 

I foresee this going the way of old.  Good players who don’t like the circus remaining amateurs , amateur competition growing more meaning , and the status of a professional going back to that of a traveling carnival barker. Or side show. 

[bladehunter]

2 minutes ago, SnowbirdTom said:

I’ve got good clubs, balls and a few tee times. My sports interest isn’t disintegrating. TV golf is for the days when the weather is crap.

Right. But those of us who work , don’t have time to play except weekends.  So pro golf used to fill the void during the week.  

[Bye]

The big question is will it make a difference, how many more eyeballs will LIV get. 
 

 

[CasualLie]

42 minutes ago, dciccoritti said:

LIV golf is NOT. Never was, and never will be. It doesn't exist. It's simply a facade. A carefully crafted chess move.

 

PIF (for lack of a better word) not only needs the PGAT to exist, but to be better and stronger than it's ever been. 

 

The move was never to compete, but to become entrenched. Heavily invested to the point where a divorce would cause a catastrophic demise of the PGAT.

 

John Rham was simply a chess move due to negotiations regarding the merger not going well. This will now force negotiations to be finalized and give PIF what they always wanted in the first place. Complete entrenchment.

 

John and the other DB's will all be back on tour shortly...as was always the plan. Paid handsomely for their service to the King. They opened the door. 

 

 

Probably some truth to this, give or take.  Which is why I alluded to the money being talked about is b.s.  Rahm will never see $600M from LIV, not even close.  No doubt he's getting paid a lot more than a typical year on PGAT, but these inflated numbers being thrown around are nonsense.

 

Take for example, team economics.  

Headlines: Season ending winning LIV team $14 million prize

Reality: 60% of that goes to team operations budget which by the way, LIV owns 75% of every team.  That $14M is down to 

7.7M just like that.

 

So Rahm getting $500M+?  Show me the wire transfer receipt.

 

[Port and Starboard]

I hope LIV has enough porta potties to satisfy Rahm?

 

The man is full of it.

Edited December 8, 2023 by Port and Starboard

[rainkingjr]

7 hours ago, PostandGhost said:

It sounds like you're saying if an employee earns a 401k at their previous job, then the employee shouldn't rollover the 401k if they switch employers?

This makes absolutely no sense. No one said any LIV defector needs to leave their money behind.

[Titleist99]

14 minutes ago, TiScape said:

Hey, at least we can sit back and laugh while the sport we love is burning 🔥 down around us. Beats cryin’ 🤷🏼‍♂️

LOL!......nothing is burning down.  PGAT is just doing a little purging. With LIV's recent acquisition their just putting lipstick on a pig or perfume on a carcass. I will not be tuning in because of Rahn.

 

The Tour will be fine, they need a good business lawyer though to figure out how to stop the poaching. Something short of a non-compete....

 

`~Most fans don't want to watch that kind of golf.......

[Louis_Posture]

4 hours ago, pingbling23 said:

Realize what you’re up against when they wanted some type of partnership before LIV came to fruition.  When someone can buy your tour 100 times over, you may want to listen to what they are saying and make better decisions..  Ego got in the way.

What "better decisions" do you believe could have been made?

My take is that he did the right thing from the start, and then the reality of white collar criminal lawyers bleeding the PGA Tour's cash reserves forced him to negotiate with the Saudis. I don't know of any bad decisions made by Monahan, he can't control the financial injustice of the legal system.

[Titleist99]

11 minutes ago, Bye said:

The big question is will it make a difference, how many more eyeballs will LIV get. 
 

 

Won't make a difference to me or anybody I know.....LIV players are considered liars and greedy,  the format  is amateurish and clownish, three rounds are not championship golf, more like a frat party and can't be taken seriously, more like WWE and totally unwatchable.......Now, the PGAT on the other hand.👀

[Titleist99]

7 minutes ago, Louis_Posture said:

What "better decisions" do you believe could have been made?

My take is that he did the right thing from the start, and then the reality of white collar criminal lawyers bleeding the PGA Tour's cash reserves forced him to negotiate with the Saudis. I don't know of any bad decisions made by Monahan, he can't control the financial injustice of the legal system.

Correct. Plus, at that time the tour would have lost its sponsors by just having a dialog with the alleged murderous Saudi regime.... 

[Louis_Posture]

18 minutes ago, Titleist99 said:

LOL!......nothing is burning down.  PGAT is just doing a little purging. With LIV's recent acquisition their just putting lipstick on a pig or perfume on a carcass. I will not be tuning in because of Rahn.

 

The Tour will be fine, they need a good business lawyer though to figure out how to stop the poaching. Something short of a non-compete....

 

`~Most fans don't want to watch that kind of golf.......

I agree with your first sentence (and like the word purging LOL).

I disagree with your second sentence comment "stop the poaching".  In other words I believe it's fine to let more player (s) take Saudi money and leave the PGA Tour. There are hundreds of players ready and willing and able to play the PGA Tour.

[jimecherry]

1 minute ago, Louis_Posture said:

I agree with your first sentence (and like the word purging LOL).

I disagree with your second sentence comment "stop the poaching".  In other words I believe it's fine to let more player (s) take Saudi money and leave the PGA Tour. There are hundreds of players ready and willing and able to play the PGA Tour.

and all of them would be willing to take the saudi ad money as soon as its offered to them to ;}

[grm24]

34 minutes ago, jimecherry said:

and all of them would be willing to take the saudi ad money as soon as its offered to them to ;}

Except that's already been proven not to be the case. But keep pumping out your Shark approved propaganda and talking points.

Edited December 8, 2023 by grm24

[PostandGhost]

6 hours ago, ThinkingPlus said:

Except, of course, the PGAT isn't an employer of the players.

That's a solid point I had considered as well. I was genuinely curious about his position and didn't want to come off as nit picking the example he had given originally.