Charlie Woods

[BallerNate]

1 hour ago, Dutch1008 said:

So GOAT or weekend hacker? That seems pretty excessive. I was a pretty good athlete growing up. By the time I was a Jr in HS I realized I probably wasn't getting a D1 scholarship and definitely wasn't a future pro. I'd be pretty full of regret if that realization led me to quit and find other interests. Most of my close friends came from playing sports.

 

Maybe Charlie wins a major or maybe he ends up be the 4th best player on a high school state runner up? Regardless, if the sport brings him joy that pursuit is worth it.      

Yeah, agreed. It’s Charlie’s life and he’s got to follow the path that’s best for him.

 

“We only get 1 kick at the can” as they say, and it’s up to him what path he follows and what he makes of it.

 

One day we all have to look back at what we did with our lives, the effort we put in, and the decisions we made. And if any of the decisions we make are to make other people happy or live up to someone else’s expectations, that only leads to regret.

[jordan2240]

Hopefully the camera is putting some size on Charlie, because if it isn't, he might be heading down an even worse path than his dad went on with the weights.  I understand there is disagreement on whether or not Tiger's workout routines had anything to do with his injuries, but logic would seem to dictate the body can only take so much stress, and the younger you start stressing it, the sooner it will wear out.  Better off following the Tom Brady scheme.

[Steepest22]

I understand why this thread exists, and I know there is not any malicious intent, but I really don’t think this type of spotlight is good for any kid… I genuinely wish the best for him and hope he has the support from those closest to him to help him realize he will not live up to his dad’s golfing achievements and that’s 10000% ok

[Thayneil]

12 hours ago, mosesgolf said:

CW is going to be a needle mover for quite some time.  He will likely play div 1 golf (hopefully Stanford) and will have throngs of fans for quite some time.  His swing is already ‘tour esque’.   Now if he can chip n putt then things will get very interesting.   Folks expecting a 13 yr old to play from 7000 yds is on the silly side.  When he gets to high school and fills out 7000 yard courses will be chip n putts.

 

 

not when  13 year olds hit it 280 plus

 

 

[Ghost of Snead]

9 hours ago, jordan2240 said:

Hopefully the camera is putting some size on Charlie, because if it isn't, he might be heading down an even worse path than his dad went on with the weights.  I understand there is disagreement on whether or not Tiger's workout routines had anything to do with his injuries, but logic would seem to dictate the body can only take so much stress, and the younger you start stressing it, the sooner it will wear out.  Better off following the Tom Brady scheme.

 

I would think Tiger would dial him back on the weights. Doesn't appear that Charlie has hit his teen growth spurt yet but IMO, he will end up as tall as Tiger or may even a bit taller. 

[dmbolp]

 

[jordan2240]

13 minutes ago, Ghost of Snead said:

 

I would think Tiger would dial him back on the weights. Doesn't appear that Charlie has hit his teen growth spurt yet but IMO, he will end up as tall as Tiger or may even a bit taller. 

Well his mom is 5' 11", and from what I've generally witnessed, a tall mom often begets a very tall son.

[heavy_hitter]

8 hours ago, Thayneil said:

not when  13 year olds hit it 280 plus

 

 

Yep.  His swing speed is not 117 as Azinger advertised.  It is more in the 104 range which is average for a 13 year old.  Low end for a 14 year old.

[Ghost of Snead]

11 minutes ago, heavy_hitter said:

Yep.  His swing speed is not 117 as Azinger advertised.  It is more in the 104 range which is average for a 13 year old.  Low end for a 14 year old.

 

Brendan Todd averaged 279 off the tee in 2022 and made some $ - we'll see when Charlie fills out and up a bit. Nice of you to continue to disparage the young man though ...

[dropkicked]

Charlie won't even pursue golf, but he'll see more opportunities, get more screen time and mentions then all of the best juniors golfers combined x 100.
 

Jealous golf parents throwing shade at the kid, really need to understand that your child will never see his level of media coverage, ever.

 

 

[BallerNate]

Just went back and read the thread from the beginning. Jeez, now I see why it’s so contentious…the OP predicted Charlie would Win Majors because he shot a 68 and Won one Tournament, Lol!!

 

Thought this was a CW thread that was started a couple of years ago and was much more positive.

 

Regardless, PNC Day 1 today…one of my favourite Tournaments of the year because I’m a family guy and the family bonds and love in the event pull at my heartstrings! ❤️

 

I’ll be rooting for Charlie and Tiger, and I’ll be rooting for Charlie’s success in life!

[sevenputts]

29 minutes ago, heavy_hitter said:

Yep.  His swing speed is not 117 as Azinger advertised.  It is more in the 104 range which is average for a 13 year old.  Low end for a 14 year old.

Goodness gracious, you are around some 13 year old monsters if that’s the “norm” lol

[idrive]

1 hour ago, heavy_hitter said:

Yep.  His swing speed is not 117 as Azinger advertised.  It is more in the 104 range which is average for a 13 year old.  Low end for a 14 year old.

 

Just curious where this info is posted. After "searching" I can't find anything that mentions anything other than his 117 SS.

[heavy_hitter]

2 minutes ago, idrive said:

 

Just curious where this info is posted. After "searching" I can't find anything that mentions anything other than his 117 SS.

This from yesterday.  Friend sent it to me off the telecast.  154 ball speed does not equate to 117 swing speed.  More like 102 to 104 which for a 13 year old tournament golfer is pretty average for that age.  Maybe a little above average.  Even if it was mishit, at 117 swing speed would still be in the high 160's for ball speed.

 

[bscinstnct]

12 hours ago, jordan2240 said:

Hopefully the camera is putting some size on Charlie, because if it isn't, he might be heading down an even worse path than his dad went on with the weights.  I understand there is disagreement on whether or not Tiger's workout routines had anything to do with his injuries, but logic would seem to dictate the body can only take so much stress, and the younger you start stressing it, the sooner it will wear out.  Better off following the Tom Brady scheme.

 

Whatever you see CW look like is mostly genetics, not lifting. 

 

TW got good genetics and moms a “specimen” (I mean that strictly in an athletic/structure sense lol) 

 

Plus lifting is good for any kid at practically any age. Not like crazy heavy low rep heavy but just strength training with weights. 
 

Dr. Teri Metcalf McCambridge, a specialist in pediatric sports medicine and the former chair of The American Academy of Pediatrics Council on Sports Medicine and Fitness. “I don’t think there’s any exact age. It depends on the kid. You could have a seven-year-old who’s ready, and a seven-year-old who’s not.”

 

“If the goal is to improve coordination and strength, then there are studies that suggest you can do it safely as young as seven in a well-controlled environment, where you have a coach who watches form and proper technique and proper progression.”

https://www.fatherly.com/health-science/how-young-is-too-young-to-let-your-kid-lift-weights/amp

 

 

 

[SnowbirdTom]

1 hour ago, dropkicked said:
 

Jealous golf parents throwing shade at the kid, really need to understand that your child will never see his level of media coverage, ever.

 

 

I wouldn’t count Annika’s son out of that race IF he decides to continue with competitive golf.

[idrive]

8 minutes ago, heavy_hitter said:

This from yesterday.  Friend sent it to me off the telecast.  154 ball speed does not equate to 117 swing speed.  More like 102 to 104 which for a 13 year old tournament golfer is pretty average for that age.  Maybe a little above average.  Even if it was mishit, at 117 swing speed would still be in the high 160's for ball speed.

 

 

Thanks, However even in that "frame" you can see he is favoring the ankle which we all know he is ATM.

 

Lets wait until he's healthy..  as a side note, I don't care what his SS is. I'll be surprised if that particular instance is the standard to be judged by.

 

 

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Edited December 17, 2022 by idrive
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[heavy_hitter]

1 minute ago, idrive said:

 

Thanks, However even in that "frame" you can see he is favoring the ankle which we all know he is ATM.

 

Lets wait until he's healthy..  as a side note, I don't dare what his SS speed is. I'll be surprised if that particular instance is the standard to be judged by.

From the talks with parents whose kids play with him on the South Florida circuit, this would be the correct number.

[idrive]

Something that could perhaps be it's own thread:

 

Would you rather drive the ball 270 down the middle every time or 300,  50-60% of the time...

 

Personally, I'll take the 270

[bscinstnct]

2 minutes ago, heavy_hitter said:

This from yesterday.  Friend sent it to me off the telecast.  154 ball speed does not equate to 117 swing speed.  More like 102 to 104 which for a 13 year old tournament golfer is pretty average for that age.  Maybe a little above average.  Even if it was mishit, at 117 swing speed would still be in the high 160's for ball speed.

 

 

While I agree with you on CWs current ss being nowhere near 117

 

Have you observed that ss for 12-13 year olds can progress very differently from that point to the time they are 17-18?

 

Like a kid whose ss is 104 at 13, could “only” get to 115 by age 18

 

But a different kid whose ss is 104 at 13 could get to 120+ by age 18

 

13 is an age where athletic development really starts and can vary a lot.
 

Now, touch, short game, just pure aptitude for golf, may not be as dependent on how a kid develops as far as size/strength/speed. 
 

Take Rory, I recall him saying that he had awesome skills/scoring ability at a young age and could compete with older kids. But he had to wait until later in his teens for the speed to come and he “wasn’t afraid of anybody”

[Ghost of Snead]

1 minute ago, idrive said:

Something that could perhaps be it's own thread:

 

Would you rather drive the ball 270 down the middle every time or 300,  50-60% of the time...

 

Personally, I'll take the 270

 

13 years old - 105 SS - 154 ball speed - could play any course 7000 or less unless there was a carry required of 235+.

 

Let's check back in a year - my guess would be 110-115 - 165 ball speed which would put him close to PGAT average.

[heavy_hitter]

3 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

While I agree with you on CWs current ss being nowhere near 117

 

Have you observed that ss for 12-13 year olds can progress very differently from that point to the time they are 17-18?

 

Like a kid whose ss is 104 at 13, could “only” get to 115 by age 18

 

But a different kid whose ss is 104 at 13 could get to 120+ by age 18

 

13 is an age where athletic development really starts and can vary a lot.
 

Now, touch, short game, just pure aptitude for golf, may not be as dependent on how a kid develops as far as size/strength/speed. 
 

Take Rory, I recall him saying that he had awesome skills/scoring ability at a young age and could compete with older kids. But he had to wait until later in his teens for the speed to come and he “wasn’t afraid of anybody”

This statement is 100% accurate.  Speaking on my own kid he was below average swing speed at 13. Talking around 98mph. By 15 was was one of the longer hitters on the 13-15 year old circuit at around 113.  Now at 17 is hitting 120+.  Not the longest out there, but not many kids that are longer at this point.  CW is going to get there.  I am just one that doesn't like the dis or misinformation that is out there.  117 is possible, but highly improbable at 13 years old.

[MK7Golf21]

Charlie is going to be swinging much faster as he ages and will be well above average, it's simply a fact with his swing and he looks in decent shape. Don't care what anyone says, it's a fact.

 

I saw that swing yesterday on instagram of the screenshot and he looked like he was swinging very slow on purpose and has a sprained ankle from the range. I'm sure that is the advice he got because of the sprained ankle.

[heavy_hitter]

14 minutes ago, idrive said:

Something that could perhaps be it's own thread:

 

Would you rather drive the ball 270 down the middle every time or 300,  50-60% of the time...

 

Personally, I'll take the 270

I would take 300 and 60%.  High level tournament golfers just need the ball to be in play.  They really don't care about fairways unless on the shorter side of distance.  The era of bomb and gouge with the analytics of numbers say they are more likely to make birdie or par at worse by being closer to the hole and out of the fairway than further back and in the fairway.  Look at it like this.  A 450 yd par 4 at 270 in is going to leave a 180 yd approach.  Likely a 7i in.  The guy hitting it 300 is going to have a wedge in hand.  Wedge is going to beat a mid iron a majority of the time.  It all comes down to analytics.

[idrive]

24 minutes ago, heavy_hitter said:

I would take 300 and 60%.  High level tournament golfers just need the ball to be in play.  They really don't care about fairways unless on the shorter side of distance.  The era of bomb and gouge with the analytics of numbers say they are more likely to make birdie or par at worse by being closer to the hole and out of the fairway than further back and in the fairway.  Look at it like this.  A 450 yd par 4 at 270 in is going to leave a 180 yd approach.  Likely a 7i in.  The guy hitting it 300 is going to have a wedge in hand.  Wedge is going to beat a mid iron a majority of the time.  It all comes down to analytics.

 

No, I comes down to if you can find the ball. How deep the rough is. If there's a tree that has you stymied..

[One Putter]

I say this as a person who knows nothing about youth golf other than seeing local high schoolers hacking it around at my local course but...

 

105 swing speed is "average" for a 14 year old? What? Isn't it something like 95% of people who ever pick up a golf club will never break 80? And we're saying that an "average" 14 year old is 105 swing speed?

 

[heavy_hitter]

38 minutes ago, One Putter said:

I say this as a person who knows nothing about youth golf other than seeing local high schoolers hacking it around at my local course but...

 

105 swing speed is "average" for a 14 year old? What? Isn't it something like 95% of people who ever pick up a golf club will never break 80? And we're saying that an "average" 14 year old is 105 swing speed?

 

 

https://www.golfwrx.com/567940/swing-speed-how-do-you-compare/    https://www.mytpi.com/articles/swing/club_head_speed_by_age_group_what_percentile_are_you_in

 

 

We are also talking about High Level Junior Tournament Golfers.  This would exclude most High School golfers.

 

Edited December 17, 2022 by heavy_hitter

[Ghost of Snead]

15 minutes ago, heavy_hitter said:

 

https://www.golfwrx.com/567940/swing-speed-how-do-you-compare/    https://www.mytpi.com/articles/swing/club_head_speed_by_age_group_what_percentile_are_you_in

 

 

We are also talking about High Level Junior Tournament Golfers.  This would exclude most High School golfers.

 

 

Your chart has Charlie at 105 in the 99th percentile for 13 year olds. Doubt Tiger is worried about his swing speed and more focused on tournament reps. 

 

[Ole3wiggle]

out of curiousity what ball does charlie play? Not that I honestly care but was honestly curious to see if he played something other than a bridgestone? I understand he plays Tmade clubs, even wearing FJ shoes now and likely uses the Bstone ball all because of his dads contracts but wouldnt you think he may fit into another ball better? 

[heavy_hitter]

1 minute ago, Ghost of Snead said:

 

Your chart has Charlie at 105 in the 99th percentile for 13 year olds. Doubt Tiger is worried about his swing speed and more focused on tournament reps. 

 

Not my chart.  Only shows the data.