Charlie Woods

[ilikegolf26]

1 hour ago, aenemated said:

 

All due respect my man but ... I just think the whole thing is dumb and antithetical to golf and sport overall. If it were up to me, it'd just be erased all together.

 

I don't play competitively anymore because I don't care enough to do so but when I did like 30 years ago, we didn't do any handicap s***. We played a round of golf and whoever completed it with the fewest strokes won. Like, it's the whole point of the game. 

 

I just don't get it or why it appeals to anyone. I don't get altering your actual performance - the measure of the game itself - with some arbitrary mathematical equation. It's not genuine. If I get 10 strokes and my 75 is a 65 and it "beats" Rory McIlroy's straight up 66 ... how can I say I won? I didn't - and it wasn't even close! 

 

Fewest strokes over a round wins. That's the game. I don't show my pocket cards to some dumb tourist to make it easier for them. I just take their money when they shouldn't even be at the table. Simple as that. 

Yeah, you don’t get it. You have to have a certain handicap to be eligible to play USGA or any state qualifiers in just about any state that I know of. These aren’t net events. It’s to discourage a 10 handicap from going out there hacking it around just to get to play a private course that he wouldn’t normally be able to get on. 
 

So yeah, maybe 30 years ago this wasn’t the case, but in todays game you have to hand a handicap to play in just about any state or national event. 

Edited December 19, 2022 by ilikegolf26

[bscinstnct]

1 hour ago, aenemated said:

 

All due respect my man but ... I just think the whole thing is dumb and antithetical to golf and sport overall. If it were up to me, it'd just be erased all together.

 

I don't play competitively anymore because I don't care enough to do so but when I did like 30 years ago, we didn't do any handicap s***. We played a round of golf and whoever completed it with the fewest strokes won. Like, it's the whole point of the game. 

 

I just don't get it or why it appeals to anyone. I don't get altering your actual performance - the measure of the game itself - with some arbitrary mathematical equation. It's not genuine. If I get 10 strokes and my 75 is a 65 and it "beats" Rory McIlroy's straight up 66 ... how can I say I won? I didn't - and it wasn't even close! 

 

Fewest strokes over a round wins. That's the game. I don't show my pocket cards to some dumb tourist to make it easier for them. I just take their money when they shouldn't even be at the table. Simple as that. 

 

I do see your point

 

Is like if you playing pick up basketball 🏀 and some dude dunks on your face

 

You not like,

 

No-basket! You ten times better than me! 🤣

[Steele47]

1 hour ago, aenemated said:

 

All due respect my man but ... I just think the whole thing is dumb and antithetical to golf and sport overall. If it were up to me, it'd just be erased all together.

 

I don't play competitively anymore because I don't care enough to do so but when I did like 30 years ago, we didn't do any handicap s***. We played a round of golf and whoever completed it with the fewest strokes won. Like, it's the whole point of the game. 

 

I just don't get it or why it appeals to anyone. I don't get altering your actual performance - the measure of the game itself - with some arbitrary mathematical equation. It's not genuine. If I get 10 strokes and my 75 is a 65 and it "beats" Rory McIlroy's straight up 66 ... how can I say I won? I didn't - and it wasn't even close! 

 

Fewest strokes over a round wins. That's the game. I don't show my pocket cards to some dumb tourist to make it easier for them. I just take their money when they shouldn't even be at the table. Simple as that. 

 

Yeap!  Agree wholeheartedly.

[straightshot7]

8 hours ago, ilikegolf26 said:

In this event? No, they wouldn’t. 

I mean mentally. A number of people would have let the injury bother them more. 
 

and yeah, some might have quit the event or not taken shots. 

Edited December 19, 2022 by straightshot7

[the700level]

1 hour ago, aenemated said:

 

All due respect my man but ... I just think the whole thing is dumb and antithetical to golf and sport overall. If it were up to me, it'd just be erased all together.

 

I don't play competitively anymore because I don't care enough to do so but when I did like 30 years ago, we didn't do any handicap s***. We played a round of golf and whoever completed it with the fewest strokes won. Like, it's the whole point of the game. 

 

I just don't get it or why it appeals to anyone. I don't get altering your actual performance - the measure of the game itself - with some arbitrary mathematical equation. It's not genuine. If I get 10 strokes and my 75 is a 65 and it "beats" Rory McIlroy's straight up 66 ... how can I say I won? I didn't - and it wasn't even close! 

 

Fewest strokes over a round wins. That's the game. I don't show my pocket cards to some dumb tourist to make it easier for them. I just take their money when they shouldn't even be at the table. Simple as that. 

This is a hall of fame awful opinion. There are a ton of guys I enjoy playing golf with where a match would be pointless without strokes

Edited December 19, 2022 by the700level

[the700level]

4 hours ago, leezer99 said:

College coaches don’t care about your handicap. Junior golf scoreboard and WAGR are all that matter. What you shoot in a casual round with your friends is not indicative of your tournament scoring. 

So why aren’t his tourney scores in GHIN?

[Zorba4747]

Give the kid a break. Bunch of piranhas on this thread. 

[aenemated]

47 minutes ago, the700level said:

This is a hall of fame awful opinion. There are a ton of guys I enjoy playing golf with where a match would be pointless without strokes

 

Pointless would be declaring some winner that couldn't get the ball in the hole in the fewest strokes.

 

Ya know, the actual point of the game. 

[sevenputts]

The kids ankle is hurt, can’t really speculate on swing speed. 

[aenemated]

1 hour ago, bscinstnct said:

 

I do see your point

 

Is like if you playing pick up basketball 🏀 and some dude dunks on your face

 

You not like,

 

No-basket! You ten times better than me! 🤣

 

I'd take down Stef Curry in HORSE every time he spots me ... HORSE.

 

BOOM! WINNER! SUCK IT, STEF!

[kekoa]

6 minutes ago, sevenputts said:

The kids ankle is hurt, can’t really speculate on swing speed. 

This was done on purpose so there could be no speculation.  

[MountainKing]

3 hours ago, aenemated said:

 

All due respect my man but ... I just think the whole thing is dumb and antithetical to golf and sport overall. If it were up to me, it'd just be erased all together.

 

I don't play competitively anymore because I don't care enough to do so but when I did like 30 years ago, we didn't do any handicap s***. We played a round of golf and whoever completed it with the fewest strokes won. Like, it's the whole point of the game. 

 

I just don't get it or why it appeals to anyone. I don't get altering your actual performance - the measure of the game itself - with some arbitrary mathematical equation. It's not genuine. If I get 10 strokes and my 75 is a 65 and it "beats" Rory McIlroy's straight up 66 ... how can I say I won? I didn't - and it wasn't even close! 

 

Fewest strokes over a round wins. That's the game. I don't show my pocket cards to some dumb tourist to make it easier for them. I just take their money when they shouldn't even be at the table. Simple as that. 

 

One of the best posts I've ever read here.   I despise the fact I need to keep a handicap so I can play in certain events. 

[kmbean]

Come on guys without the handicap system you’d never see the 14 handicap beating his chest like he just won the US Open after he just shot 78 to clean up on pro shop credit.

Edited December 19, 2022 by kmbean

[straightshot7]

A single digit handicap can’t make worse than double bogey? Is that how it works? 
 

sure sounds like golf to me! 
 

throw away your worse 50% of scores… what’s not to like? 

[leezer99]

8 hours ago, the700level said:

So why aren’t his tourney scores in GHIN?

GHIN is not an accurate way to track tournament rounds since it simply takes all of your scores and gives a handicap and college coaches don't care about your handicap. They want to know how well you played vs the field (scoring differential), the strength of the field and how you placed in the tournament.  A US Kids event is played on short courses against weaker fields than say an AJGA event.

[leezer99]

11 hours ago, Shilgy said:

I get that….but it spills over to other “amateur” golfers.  For example if Tony Romo wants to play in the US Amateur he needs to be a 2.4 or less to go to qualifying. He has posted one score in 2022 and his last 20 go back to 2018.

 

If anyone (even Tony Romo) wanted to play in the US Am all they would have to do is enter scores that get their handicap below a 2.4.  Here's a screen shot from a US Am qualifier... do you really think these guys are below a 2.4?  All I'm saying is that if any of these guys want to come to my club and play off a 2.4 then there'd be a line around the block for some of that action.

 

[Yuck]

6 hours ago, straightshot7 said:

A single digit handicap can’t make worse than double bogey? Is that how it works? 
 

sure sounds like golf to me! 
 

throw away your worse 50% of scores… what’s not to like? 

A high single digit handicap, (course handicap of 9), could post as many as 9 triple bogeys.  The ESC posting criteria changed a few years back.  Max posted score for a hole is net double. (Which would be a triple on any stroke holes.). A 0 Hdcp could not post a score high than 36 over par for a round, no matter what they shot.

[ilikegolf26]

9 hours ago, aenemated said:

 

Pointless would be declaring some winner that couldn't get the ball in the hole in the fewest strokes.

 

Ya know, the actual point of the game. 

That wasn’t the point of the original question/point. If you’re going to play in any state or national qualifier you need a USGA handicap. 

[bscinstnct]

10 hours ago, aenemated said:

 

I'd take down Stef Curry in HORSE every time he spots me ... HORSE.

 

BOOM! WINNER! SUCK IT, STEF!

 

MJ be like….H

 

 

 

 

I be like….H! In your face 😬

 

[MK7Golf21]

They did show him yesterday hit a driver with 160 ball speed and looked more normal swing compared to two days ago, he is still injured so he is probably 160-165 on average. Only 13 years old though, he’ll get faster too. 

[Shilgy]

13 hours ago, leezer99 said:

 

If anyone (even Tony Romo) wanted to play in the US Am all they would have to do is enter scores that get their handicap below a 2.4.  Here's a screen shot from a US Am qualifier... do you really think these guys are below a 2.4?  All I'm saying is that if any of these guys want to come to my club and play off a 2.4 then there'd be a line around the block for some of that action.

 

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The last few are questionable but depending on course rating theirs no doubt many 2. something index players will shoot those scores in tournaments.  You’ll average about 3 over your handicap….so a couple bad days will easily bring a 2.4 to around 80 each day.  AND depending on the course don’t forget there is no max double bogey in tournament play. One or two big blowup holes will ruin a score.

[Shilgy]

12 hours ago, Yuck said:

A high single digit handicap, (course handicap of 9), could post as many as 9 triple bogeys.  The ESC posting criteria changed a few years back.  Max posted score for a hole is net double. (Which would be a triple on any stroke holes.). A 0 Hdcp could not post a score high than 36 over par for a round, no matter what they shot.

Back then you could post as many doubles as your handicap….not triples.  So a 4 handicap could post as many bogeys as he wanted but only four doubles.  I liked that system better than current but they’ve dumbed it down because too many didn’t understand it.

[kmbean]

Speaking of swing speed, I really started pumping laser beams once I got a little taste of this stuff 

Edited December 20, 2022 by kmbean

[Shilgy]

Funny how these type of threads go…..if anyone praises 13 year old Charlie’s swing there are those that seem to feel obligated to point out he’s 1,000,000th or whatever in his age group.  Who cares?  No one said he’s the best 13 yo ever….just that he has a nice swing.  Just read an article by one of the golf beat writers and he said Charlie’s likely peak will be the Stanford golf team for five years.  Which is certainly more likely than stardom. 
A friends grandson here in Arizona just won the high school tournament in record fashion….60-63 at Tucson National.  What are the odds he makes the tour?  Slim and none as it is for “most” would be my guess. You never know for sure and there are only 125 spots available.  Probably the most difficult major league sport to crack into.

[Pleasedwith3putts]

31 minutes ago, Shilgy said:

Funny how these type of threads go…..if anyone praises 13 year old Charlie’s swing there are those that seem to feel obligated to point out he’s 1,000,000th or whatever in his age group.  Who cares?  No one said he’s the best 13 yo ever….just that he has a nice swing.  
 

Totally agree. My $0.02 is the kid has game and real potential, ironically his chipping seems to be the weakest point, but with a dad who was the short game GOAT too, that can be turned around

[golfortennis]

4 hours ago, Shilgy said:

Funny how these type of threads go…..if anyone praises 13 year old Charlie’s swing there are those that seem to feel obligated to point out he’s 1,000,000th or whatever in his age group.  Who cares?  No one said he’s the best 13 yo ever….just that he has a nice swing.  Just read an article by one of the golf beat writers and he said Charlie’s likely peak will be the Stanford golf team for five years.  Which is certainly more likely than stardom. 
A friends grandson here in Arizona just won the high school tournament in record fashion….60-63 at Tucson National.  What are the odds he makes the tour?  Slim and none as it is for “most” would be my guess. You never know for sure and there are only 125 spots available.  Probably the most difficult major league sport to crack into.

 

A poster literally placed a bet on him to win a major championship in the future.  That's a whole lot more than "he has a nice swing."  

[Dutch1008]

3 hours ago, golfortennis said:

A poster literally placed a bet on him to win a major championship in the future.  That's a whole lot more than "he has a nice swing."  

When Rory was 15, his father and a few of his buddies placed a bet that Rory would win the open w/in 10 years at 500/1 odds. While I'm sure they had high hopes and Rory was a top junior, I doubt they actually thought it'd payoff. Of course, it did actually payoff. 

 

It was a stupid bet with Rory and it'd be a stupid bet w/ Charlie. It's stupid to play powerball too. But you never know 😉 

[golfortennis]

55 minutes ago, Dutch1008 said:

When Rory was 15, his father and a few of his buddies placed a bet that Rory would win the open w/in 10 years at 500/1 odds. While I'm sure they had high hopes and Rory was a top junior, I doubt they actually thought it'd payoff. Of course, it did actually payoff. 

 

It was a stupid bet with Rory and it'd be a stupid bet w/ Charlie. It's stupid to play powerball too. But you never know 😉 

 

McIlroy at 15 was on the European Junior Ryder Cup team.  He had also won the 9-10 division at the world championship at Doral.

 

And oh by the way, like you say, it was his dad, not some stranger on the internet.  If McIlroy's dad betting on his son was a stupid bet, and you think it's the same as some poster on this board placing a bet on Woods, well...

 

You guys really need to stop trying to find equivalencies.  If you were talking about Tiger Woods, it would make sense to drop a bet.  Charlie Woods?  C'mon.  And playing powerball might be stupid, but I haven't seen anyone post on here that they bought a ticket.  Other than virtue signaling, or some misplaced idea putting a bet on the kid will make pops want to buy him a beer, why post on here that he did so?