Can a 4 handicap beat Rose Zhang

[Yuck]

Ok, done to death already, but Rose is an AM, and we have plenty of delusional WRX’rs.    Over 72 holes, can a 4 capper take Rose down?  Rose has lost 8 of her 20 college tournaments, so she does “lose” 40% of the time, and she is just a teenager….

 

 

 

[DoughBack18]

Could a 4 handicap beat the number one ranked womens amateur in the world? No, no they could not. Maybe if they career’d it and she played awfully, but on any sort of a normal day she’d slap ‘em.

[woahnelly]

Michael block has a 4+ handicap and he just finished 15th at a major, so on any give day/weekend sure. 

[Hawkeye77]

12 minutes ago, woahnelly said:

Michael block has a 4+ handicap and he just finished 15th at a major, so on any give day/weekend sure. 

What?  Don't think you get the question.

 

And no, a 4 cap isn't beating Rose Zhang.  And yep, this 4 cap stuff has been done beyond to death, lol, but we answer anyway, haha.

[mizuno player]

No chance. Not even of the 4 careered. She is tournament tested and proven. 

 

I know guys that are a +1 at their home course. Not the same as a +1 that travels and plays a lot of tournaments. Guys are so delusional. They over estimate many things in theirs lives..😁

[QueenJIN]

And generally underestimate women’s sporting prowess. Perfect storm for some egg deposited on face 

[QueenJIN]

41 minutes ago, woahnelly said:

Michael block has a 4+ handicap and he just finished 15th at a major, so on any give day/weekend sure. 

this result is still wild to me. How can he have beaten so many elite and seasoned PGA tour pros 

[grm24]

55 minutes ago, woahnelly said:

Michael block has a 4+ handicap and he just finished 15th at a major, so on any give day/weekend sure. 

He is a +4.5 index. At one time he was a +7.1 index. Way better than scratch. He is not a 4 handicap.

[OgeecheeMac1]

Zhang is looking hot these days. Am I wrong?

[iBanesto]

[OnTheBag]

On 5/23/2023 at 5:44 PM, Yuck said:

Ok, done to death already, but Rose is an AM, and we have plenty of delusional WRX’rs.    Over 72 holes, can a 4 capper take Rose down?  Rose has lost 8 of her 20 college tournaments, so she does “lose” 40% of the time, and she is just a teenager….

 

 

 

🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

Not even on the 4 capper's best day.

[OnTheBag]

Just to hopefully put this silly argument to rest forever.......

 

Average 5 cap stats compared to Rosie's stats from this season (not exact comparison, but you get the picture).  Pay close attention to the parts of her stats that I highlighted, particularly 24 out of 27 rounds at par or better.  A 5 cap shoots even par once every 3 years.  

 

 

 

[ChronicSlicer]

5 hours ago, OnTheBag said:

Just to hopefully put this silly argument to rest forever.......

 

Average 5 cap stats compared to Rosie's stats from this season (not exact comparison, but you get the picture).  Pay close attention to the parts of her stats that I highlighted, particularly 24 out of 27 rounds at par or better.  A 5 cap shoots even par once every 3 years.  

 

 

 

 

Well, looks like next time such a silly question pops up, this should end the discussion immediately 😂

[Rapidcat]

What tees are they playing from/both from the same tees?

 

How long is the course?

 

Hope springs eternal.

[ebk]

So, Rose practiced an often played where I play.  She routinely teed it up with the boys (many are quite good juniors, and some notable female players - scratch/college)  and playing the tips:Tom Fazio course - 6,850 yards, par 71, rating 72.5 routinely beat everyone.  One of the guys there told me he can't remember the last time she did not shoot par or better.  Over four rounds, no way does she lose to a four.  She is too consistent and too good.

 

Edited May 26, 2023 by ebk

[jt2gt]

16 minutes ago, ebk said:

So, Rose practiced an often played where I play.  She routinely teed it up with the boys (many are quite good juniors, and some notable female players - scratch/college)  and playing the tips:Tom Fazio course - 6,850 yards, par 71, rating 72.5 routinely beat everyone.  One of the guys there told me he can't remember the last time she did not shoot par or better.  Over four rounds, no way does she lose to a four.  She is too consistent and too good.

 

Curious what you think about her LPGA prospects now that she is turning pro. Does she have enough birdies in her to light up the Lyds, JYK, DK, Grant, etc.

[MelloYello]

There's plenty of things a 4 handicap could beat Rose Zhang at...

[Tasals]

13 hours ago, Rapidcat said:

What tees are they playing from/both from the same tees?

 

How long is the course?

 

Hope springs eternal.

Yeah basically youd need a bomber of a 4 cap and a course that shes cant keep up on due to the distance, shes a short hitter, she was being talked up when her drives finished 260 yards after run out. Push it back to something like 7.8k yards so youd need to go to what Erin Hills, Chambers Bay, Kiawah Island, or some stupid course that has a load of awkward long forced carries. Even then I dont think shes unfavored, sure she would be required to hit drivers on par 3s and a long hitter likely picks up a part of a stroke off the tee, and on approach  but once on the green and chipping. Dunno if you can brute the yardage to overcome that, even then the distance still is difficult for the longer hitter they would be required to limit errors to take advantage.

 

Youd have to find so many ways to claw strokes back from her with minimal impact against the 4 cap that I dont think its possible.  Its also one round out of four...

 

Maybe one of the golf youtubers can set something up. id give it a watch. 

Edited May 26, 2023 by Tasals

[Rapidcat]

3 minutes ago, Tasals said:

Yeah basically youd need a bomber of a 4 cap and a course that shes cant keep up on due to the distance, shes a short hitter, she was being talked up when her drives finished 260 yards after run out. Push it back to something like 7.8k yards so youd need to go to what Erin Hills, Chambers Bay, Kiawah Island, or some stupid course that has a load of awkward long forced carries. Even then I dont think shes unfavored, sure she would be required to hit drivers on par 3s and a long hitter likely picks up a part of a stroke off the tee, and on approach  but once on the green and chipping. Dunno if you can brute the yardage to overcome that, even then the distance still is difficult for the longer hitter they would be required to limit errors to take advantage.

 

Youd have to find so many ways to claw strokes back from her with minimal impact against the 4 cap that I dont think its possible.  Its also one round out of four...

 

Maybe one of the golf youtubers can set something up. id give it a watch. 

 

[kwcsports]

Nope, not happening.

[Argonne69]

3 hours ago, jt2gt said:

Curious what you think about her LPGA prospects now that she is turning pro. Does she have enough birdies in her to light up the Lyds, JYK, DK, Grant, etc.

 

Hard to tell. If she plays like she did in the individual championship, then she'll do fine. Play like she did in the team semi finals, and she's going to miss a lot of cuts. 

 

Plenty of high ranked amateur college players struggle(d) on tour. There's a reason the top amateurs skip college and head directly into the college ranks. 

 

Her decision to turn pro before finishing her degree is a bit of a head scratcher. Why go the college route if there's no plan to get the degree? Maybe she reassessed her potential after racking up the wins and decided there was nothing more to accomplish (golfwise) at Stanford. 

 

[Argonne69]

1 hour ago, Tasals said:

Yeah basically youd need a bomber of a 4 cap and a course that shes cant keep up on due to the distance, shes a short hitter, she was being talked up when her drives finished 260 yards after run out. Push it back to something like 7.8k yards so youd need to go to what Erin Hills, Chambers Bay, Kiawah Island, or some stupid course that has a load of awkward long forced carries. Even then I dont think shes unfavored, sure she would be required to hit drivers on par 3s and a long hitter likely picks up a part of a stroke off the tee, and on approach  but once on the green and chipping. Dunno if you can brute the yardage to overcome that, even then the distance still is difficult for the longer hitter they would be required to limit errors to take advantage.

 

Youd have to find so many ways to claw strokes back from her with minimal impact against the 4 cap that I dont think its possible.  Its also one round out of four...

 

Maybe one of the golf youtubers can set something up. id give it a watch. 

 

Funny, and sad, how these arguments always seem to boil down to this mythological bomber. Ever watch an LPGA pro hit fairway woods and hybrids? 7000 yds is not going to scare them. With scrambling percentages over 60 percent, a few missed greens is a bump in the road. A 4 capper breaks par once every few years, even if they're hitting it 300 off the tee. That's why they're a 4 cap and not scratch or better. 

 

[br61]

4 handicapper can keep on dreaming. No chance!

 

However I do think some 4 handicapper can beat a 5 handicap player.

[Rapidcat]

1 hour ago, Argonne69 said:

 

Hard to tell. If she plays like she did in the individual championship, then she'll do fine. Play like she did in the team semi finals, and she's going to miss a lot of cuts. 

 

Plenty of high ranked amateur college players struggle(d) on tour. There's a reason the top amateurs skip college and head directly into the college ranks. 

 

Her decision to turn pro before finishing her degree is a bit of a head scratcher. Why go the college route if there's no plan to get the degree? Maybe she reassessed her potential after racking up the wins and decided there was nothing more to accomplish (golfwise) at Stanford. 

 

 

All makes sense.

 

I heard the commentators say that Alison Lee is still studying whilst playing pro, so is Lucy Li, so maybe Rose will complete her degree part time?

[Argonne69]

28 minutes ago, Rapidcat said:

 

All makes sense.

 

I heard the commentators say that Alison Lee is still studying whilst playing pro, so is Lucy Li, so maybe Rose will complete her degree part time?

 

I saw that Rose is going to stay on as a coach at Stanford, so I assume she'll play a limited professional schedule while finishing her degree. 

 

She has no status on the LPGA, so after playing a few events on exemptions, she'll have to head to Q Series in the fall. If she gets her card, she'll still be low on the priority list and have limited opportunities. 

 

Of course if she wins at one of her exempted events it changes everything. 

 

[OnTheBag]

29 minutes ago, Argonne69 said:

 

I saw that Rose is going to stay on as a coach at Stanford, so I assume she'll play a limited professional schedule while finishing her degree. 

 

She has no status on the LPGA, so after playing a few events on exemptions, she'll have to head to Q Series in the fall. If she gets her card, she'll still be low on the priority list and have limited opportunities. 

 

Of course if she wins at one of her exempted events it changes everything. 

 

I wish her all the best.  She is an amazing young woman and an outstanding golfer.  Unfortunately, if I ever wrote a biography, it would be full of stories of ladies like her that never made it.  I sincerely hope things work out differently for her.

[ChronicSlicer]

4 hours ago, OnTheBag said:

I wish her all the best.  She is an amazing young woman and an outstanding golfer.  Unfortunately, if I ever wrote a biography, it would be full of stories of ladies like her that never made it.  I sincerely hope things work out differently for her.

You of all people should know the way the LPGA can eat a top ranked amateur up. Just because you turn pro, doesn't mean your ready for LPGA. Think back on Lilia Vu, Pauline Roussin-Bouchard, Maria Fassi, Kristen Gillman. Rose's finishes at her limited LPGA events are less than impressive considering players like Lydia, Lexi and Brooke were actually competing and winning at 15 or 16. She'll win at some point, she could easily become a steady top 20.

 

[gallas2]

Here's how a 4 can beat her:

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1.  Take the "c" out of the word CUP.   Whaddya get?

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2.  Now take the "f" out of the word WAY....

[ChronicSlicer]

10 hours ago, gallas2 said:

 

 

2.  Now take the "f" out of the word WAY....

Now that brought back some high school memories lol

[jimecherry]

Now that this is the should rose stay an amateur thread can someone please post a tally of what shes done as an amateur at stanford so that we can compare to others who have turned pro early ;}