I'm telling you guys...line on ball

[getitdaily]

Figure out how to use it. Figure out why you can't. 

 

From 10' and under AND from 35'+ it is just so much better using the line.

 

I was a "I can't use it, the line messes me up" guy...you have to retrain your eyes to what straight is.

 

Use the line and you'll putt better once you have retrained your eyes.

[Greenie]

I've tried it and didn't like it. If it works for you use it. My problem isn't making a straight putt my problem is getting the speed right.

[Sp4zRX]

12 minutes ago, getitdaily said:

Figure out how to use it. Figure out why you can't. 

 

From 10' and under AND from 35'+ it is just so much better using the line.

 

I was a "I can't use it, the line messes me up" guy...you have to retrain your eyes to what straight is.

 

Use the line and you'll putt better once you have retrained your eyes.

How long has it been working for you since you figured it out?

[getitdaily]

8 minutes ago, Sp4zRX said:

How long has it been working for you since you figured it out?

About 2 weeks. 

[MonteScheinblum]

A few things

 

2 weeks is not close to long enough to judge something.  This could just be coinciding with a good streak of putting.

 

Nothing works for everyone.  Forcing what worked for someone else is the bane of the amateur existence.

 

Line is almost irrelevant in putting.  Several putting experts have proved that to me, as do the stats.

 

 

[getitdaily]

10 minutes ago, MonteScheinblum said:

A few things

 

2 weeks is not close to long enough to judge something.  This could just be coinciding with a good streak of putting.

 

Nothing works for everyone.  Forcing what worked for someone else is the bane of the amateur existence.

 

Line is almost irrelevant in putting.  Several putting experts have proved that to me, as do the stats.

 

 

Monte, I usually agree with you...but not here.

 

There are times when you just know. 

 

As for others using the line...perhaps. 

 

But for me, 2 weeks has been plenty. Putts falling when they haven't been for a really long time. 

 

I moved to claw about 5 weeks ago. That move has helped a lot.  But i was still missing makeable putts. 

 

3 rounds since going all-in on using the line...3, 5, 4 birdies and an eagle. 72-66-72. 

 

Line has allowed me to take alignment doubt out and focus solely on speed. It's far from irrelevant for me. 

[Chunkitgood]

16 minutes ago, MonteScheinblum said:

A few things

 

2 weeks is not close to long enough to judge something.  This could just be coinciding with a good streak of putting.

 

Nothing works for everyone.  Forcing what worked for someone else is the bane of the amateur existence.

 

Line is almost irrelevant in putting.  Several putting experts have proved that to me, as do the stats.

 

 

Line may not be a sufficient cause, but it sure is a necessary one.

[Nels55]

9 minutes ago, getitdaily said:

Monte, I usually agree with you...but not here.

 

There are times when you just know. 

 

As for others using the line...perhaps. 

 

But for me, 2 weeks has been plenty. Putts falling when they haven't been for a really long time. 

 

I moved to claw about 5 weeks ago. That move has helped a lot.  But i was still missing makeable putts. 

 

3 rounds since going all-in on using the line...3, 5, 4 birdies and an eagle. 72-66-72. 

 

Line has allowed me to take alignment doubt out and focus solely on speed. It's far from irrelevant for me. 

Writing about it here is the acid test.  For me writing about breakthroughs like this is usually the kiss of death for whatever it is.  LOL I am incredibly mental though...  

[Kuuuch]

I previously went back and forth but been a big fan for years now since I started practicing with a line on the ball as well. It’s a little annoying to hit every putt on the practice green using a line but it really pays off imo. Helps me understand my tendencies with read, check my roll and I’m actually practicing how I play. 

[AB1981]

To each his own.  I gave it an honest effort with line for several years along with a bunch of different styles mallets, no bueno for me.  I went back to a naked Anser mallet and putting the ball down with nothing visible except dimples, basically putting like I did when I was a kid and have slowly gotten better and better since.  I do believe it's important for everyone to experiment with what works best for them though.

[Gsea]

2 hours ago, getitdaily said:

Figure out how to use it. Figure out why you can't. 

 

From 10' and under AND from 35'+ it is just so much better using the line.

 

I was a "I can't use it, the line messes me up" guy...you have to retrain your eyes to what straight is.

 

Use the line and you'll putt better once you have retrained your eyes.

figure out why you need it

[getitdaily]

7 minutes ago, Gsea said:

figure out why you need it

I don't care why I need it. I care that putts are falling.

[iacas]

1 hour ago, MonteScheinblum said:

2 weeks is not close to long enough to judge something.  This could just be coinciding with a good streak of putting.

 

Nothing works for everyone.  Forcing what worked for someone else is the bane of the amateur existence.

 

Line is almost irrelevant in putting.  Several putting experts have proved that to me, as do the stats.

 

All of that.

 

I don't use the line. I line my putter up to where I want to hit the ball, and a line on the ball would distract from that, and pull my eyes to a spot where I don't want my attention drawn.

 

I've fit enough Edel putters (the "Classic" line) to know that where your eye's focus is pulled has a good effect on where you see straight.

 

I don't need the line, and in fact, putt better without the line. Plus, it's slow(er).

[kwcsports]

I tried it and hated it but if it works for you, congrats. 

[MPStrat]

I am open to anything when the putter goes cold. However I have found that overall I putt better, particularly on short putts when I don’t use the line. It’s more difficult for me to start the ball on-line when I use the line on the ball. For me, putting is 90% getting my eyes in the right place and then rolling it end over end. If I do those two things I putt decent to very well. Lately my putting has been great. I know many people who use the line religiously. Whatever works.

 

[Kuuuch]

2 hours ago, MonteScheinblum said:

A few things

 

2 weeks is not close to long enough to judge something.  This could just be coinciding with a good streak of putting.

 

Nothing works for everyone.  Forcing what worked for someone else is the bane of the amateur existence.

 

Line is almost irrelevant in putting.  Several putting experts have proved that to me, as do the stats.

 

 

Could you please explain a little further on the last paragraph? 

[Simp]

There's no doubt that a line on the ball helps me. It took a little bit to get used to but once I did I can't go back to just guessing where my putt is going. 

[MonteScheinblum]

1 hour ago, Kuuuch said:

Could you please explain a little further on the last paragraph? 

Several levels to this.
 

First, statistically golfers of all skill levels just don’t make that many putts.  Putting better is all about 3 putt avoidance and that’s getting the speed right.  The more you focus on line, the less you’re focusing on speed.  
 

Second the line is dependent on what speed you hit it.  When you line up the line you limit yourself to hitting it the speed that line necessitates or you’ll miss it.  You’re taking away your brains subconscious ability to adapt.  There is not one line to the hole.  There are multiple variables at work.

 

I have done this test so many times with so many people 

 

Attempt A.  I align them incorrectly, but competently on 6-50 foot putts and say just hit it solid the right speed with no attention to line at all.
 

Attempt B.  We roll putts at the hole and figure out the prefect line for a putt that goes less than a foot passed the hole and I line them up perfectly on that line.  Then I say make this putt on that line.

 

A destroys B by such a wide margin it’s  comical.  
 

 

 

One of the worst things a golfer can do is discern anything from a small sample size.  Golfers remember the one day where they hooped in everything and try and recapture that magic and long term, putt worse.  Watching golf on TV Sunday doesn’t help this either.  People get the idea that’s what good putting is.  Those are the elite players who are putting the best that day.  That’s almost like thinking you can solve your retirement finances by buying lottery tickets.

 

So far in my 40 years as a golfer and teacher, in both my epiphanies and seeing those of others.  The number of AHA moments that actually panned out has been Mr. Blutarski’s GPA.  
 

Almost universally, enormous short term success is fools gold.  
 

 

Edited June 4 by MonteScheinblum

[Trippels]

3 minutes ago, MonteScheinblum said:

Several levels to this.
 

First, statistically golfers of all skill levels just don’t make that many putts.  Putting better is all about 3 putt avoidance and that’s getting the speed right.  The more you focus on line, the less you’re focusing on speed.  
 

Second the line is dependent on what speed you hit it.  When you line up the line you limit yourself to hitting it the speed that line necessitates or you’ll miss it.  You’re taking your brains subconscious ability to adapt.  There is not one line to the hole.  There are multiple variables at work.

 

I have done this test so many times with so many people 

 

Attempt A.  I align them incorrectly, but competently on 6-50 foot putts and say just hit it solid the right speed with no attention to line at all.
 

Attempt B.  We roll putts at the hole and forgive out the prefect line for a putt that goes less than a foot passed the hole and I line them up perfectly on that line.  Then I say make this putt on that lone.

 

A destroys B by such a wide margin it’s  comical.  
 

 

 

One of the worst things a golfer can do is discern anything from a small sample size.  Golfers remember the one day where they hooped in everything and try and recapture that magic and long term, putt worse.  Watching golf on TV Sunday doesn’t help this either.  People get the idea that’s what good putting is.  Those are the elite players who are putting the best that day.  That’s almost like thinking you can solve your retirement finances by buying lottery tickets.

 

So far in my 40 years as a golfer and teacher, in both my epiphanies and seeing those of others.  The number of AHA moments that actually panned out has been Mr. Blutarski’s GPA.  
 

Almost universally, enormous short term success is fools gold.  
 

 

What about shorter putts, where even amateurs should make more than they miss, 3, 4, 5 footers

 

Any experience on how using a line helps or doesn't on those?

[MonteScheinblum]

Just now, Trippels said:

What about shorter putts, where even amateurs should make more than they miss, 3, 4, 5 footers

 

Any experience on how using a line helps or doesn't on those?

If you’re horrific at lining up 3-5 footers, even you you use the line, you need to practice lining up better.  I’m not saying lining up the line is bad for everyone at all times, but it has many limits.  If you can line up the line and then hit a solid putt without steering the line on your putter to the line on the ball, you’re a better man than I am. 
 

Im saying for most golfers it has poor long term success. 

[Albatross Dreamer]

"Hey siri, remind me of this in two weeks". Jk. 😂 That's great if you found something that works for you!

 

Won't be using the line myself anytime soon as I hated it myself.

[596]

I can say that a fat line, not a thin line has helped me a lot with putting.  I align the ball to my starting point, then align the putter.  I never look at the ball again.  The putter is set and I look at a point just behind the ball.  I make a solid strike with the distance to the hole in my mind.  I do not second guess the line I've chosen and the putter position once it's set. 

 

I can't use a thin single line. I can't even align that line correctly to my start point.  I use the TM Tour Response with the fat green line 

[Kuuuch]

9 minutes ago, MonteScheinblum said:

Several levels to this.
 

First, statistically golfers of all skill levels just don’t make that many putts.  Putting better is all about 3 putt avoidance and that’s getting the speed right.  The more you focus on line, the less you’re focusing on speed.  
 

Second the line is dependent on what speed you hit it.  When you line up the line you limit yourself to hitting it the speed that line necessitates or you’ll miss it.  You’re taking away your brains subconscious ability to adapt.  There is not one line to the hole.  There are multiple variables at work.

 

I have done this test so many times with so many people 

 

Attempt A.  I align them incorrectly, but competently on 6-50 foot putts and say just hit it solid the right speed with no attention to line at all.
 

Attempt B.  We roll putts at the hole and figure out the prefect line for a putt that goes less than a foot passed the hole and I line them up perfectly on that line.  Then I say make this putt on that line.

 

A destroys B by such a wide margin it’s  comical.  
 

 

 

One of the worst things a golfer can do is discern anything from a small sample size.  Golfers remember the one day where they hooped in everything and try and recapture that magic and long term, putt worse.  Watching golf on TV Sunday doesn’t help this either.  People get the idea that’s what good putting is.  Those are the elite players who are putting the best that day.  That’s almost like thinking you can solve your retirement finances by buying lottery tickets.

 

So far in my 40 years as a golfer and teacher, in both my epiphanies and seeing those of others.  The number of AHA moments that actually panned out has been Mr. Blutarski’s GPA.  
 

Almost universally, enormous short term success is fools gold.  
 

 

This is super informative, thank you Monte! Maybe I’ll try out no line for a couple months lol. I used to always take practice strokes beside the ball and felt that was tough with no line because I felt it was harder to aim that way as opposed to stepping into the putt from behind. That was really my biggest complaint with no line. 

[MonteScheinblum]

41 minutes ago, Kuuuch said:

This is super informative, thank you Monte! Maybe I’ll try out no line for a couple months lol. I used to always take practice strokes beside the ball and felt that was tough with no line because I felt it was harder to aim that way as opposed to stepping into the putt from behind. That was really my biggest complaint with no line. 

People get mad at me when I say something that goes against what they believe works for them or is correct.  This is never about I’m smart and you’re dumb and do what I say. That’s ridiculous. 
 

Would it be helpful if I just agreed with every cliche and narrative?

 

All I’m doing on this forum is offering my observations of what I have seen from breaking par and playing high level golf for 40 years, seeing more data on what golfers golfers do than most and having given 10’s of thousands of lessons in person online and on the course. 
 

Is what I say right for everyone?  Hell no, but discounting my observations considering my experience is pretty short sighted just because it offends one’s cognitive dissonance.

Edited June 4 by MonteScheinblum

[Gohigh]

Line can be used in a lot of ways... Some line it up perpendicular to the target to help with putter face alignment... Some use it only during practice to help with visuals, alignment, and also to see how the ball is rolling... 

 

I used it for such purpose, as a training aid, but then I got so comfortable with it that it became a normal pre putt routine. 

 

For longer putts where speed and general direction is more important, I prefer to use no line as it allows me to focus on the speed more. 

 

For a 6 foot putt to win the club championship, I will most likely line up. 

 

YMMV.

[TheDominator273]

1 hour ago, MonteScheinblum said:

Several levels to this.
 

First, statistically golfers of all skill levels just don’t make that many putts.  Putting better is all about 3 putt avoidance and that’s getting the speed right.  The more you focus on line, the less you’re focusing on speed.  
 

Second the line is dependent on what speed you hit it.  When you line up the line you limit yourself to hitting it the speed that line necessitates or you’ll miss it.  You’re taking away your brains subconscious ability to adapt.  There is not one line to the hole.  There are multiple variables at work.

 

I have done this test so many times with so many people 

 

Attempt A.  I align them incorrectly, but competently on 6-50 foot putts and say just hit it solid the right speed with no attention to line at all.
 

Attempt B.  We roll putts at the hole and figure out the prefect line for a putt that goes less than a foot passed the hole and I line them up perfectly on that line.  Then I say make this putt on that line.

 

A destroys B by such a wide margin it’s  comical.  
 

 

 

One of the worst things a golfer can do is discern anything from a small sample size.  Golfers remember the one day where they hooped in everything and try and recapture that magic and long term, putt worse.  Watching golf on TV Sunday doesn’t help this either.  People get the idea that’s what good putting is.  Those are the elite players who are putting the best that day.  That’s almost like thinking you can solve your retirement finances by buying lottery tickets.

 

So far in my 40 years as a golfer and teacher, in both my epiphanies and seeing those of others.  The number of AHA moments that actually panned out has been Mr. Blutarski’s GPA.  
 

Almost universally, enormous short term success is fools gold.  
 

 

So much good information in this post.  I  am a line user, but I do so because for my process it lets me set up repeatably and then line is completely out of my mind and all I'm focused on is speed.  If you can't do that in my opinion you shouldn't use a line on the ball.

[goaliedad30]

I'm in Monte's camp on this one. I have tried an alignment mark on and off, and find that I get overly mechanical and don't stroke the putt freely. On longer putts, my distance control also suffered.

 

I putt best when I'm focused on pace, not line.

[Bigarch]

I agree with Monte that committing to the line, takes away your options for speed control.  I'm a pretty good putter but for me, putting has never been about a line... for me, its a LANE.  The hole is round and the ball can go in with many combinations of line and speed.  My only thought when putting is hitting the putt with the right speed so that I can keep it in the lane.  I feel like the math of all the line and speed options gives me more opportunities for success, and that translates to confidence.  

[huskydawg]

I personally use it BUT it's only to help my initial setup.  I really look and dial in to the spot I'm putting to, then glance down quickly then hit.  I can't use it to guide my stroke, because subconsciously that line is pointing away from the hole and it's hard to trust it.

[NJBigFish22]

I also agree with Monte.  I will also add if you can’t read greens you could have a laser and it wouldn’t matter.  Plus speed has 2 variables, how far you take the putter back and how much force you apply in the forward stroke.  The “best” putters can eliminate or make 1 variable a constant.