Arnold Palmer Invitational 2024

[aenemated]

Nevermind, here comes Shane! 

[the bishop]

I think he was trying to understand where the bottom was so he could adjust his approach angle and not hit too high on the clubface or slide underneath it. 

Edited March 9 by the bishop

[kmbean]

Wyndham Reed

[Holy Moses]

1 minute ago, the bishop said:

I think he was trying to understand where the bottom was so he could adjust his approach angle and not hit too high on the clubface or slide underneath it. 

He was, but that doesn’t justify the ball moving like that if it didn’t return to its original location

[the bishop]

Just now, Holy Moses said:

He was, but that doesn’t justify the ball moving like that if it didn’t return to its original location

Just giving my opinion on his intent, not the permissibility of it. 

[jimecherry]

28 minutes ago, bekgolf said:

 

I think that's the big difference.  We watch to see great golf being played while others just like to see names playing golf.

that was thursday its saturday and willyz just shot +3 on the back 9

[TiScape]

2 minutes ago, the bishop said:

Just giving my opinion on his intent, not the permissibility of it. 

Are you by chance a lawyer? Just what came to mind as I read ur previous post. No disrespect meant 😇

[the bishop]

3 minutes ago, jimecherry said:

that was thursday its saturday and willyz just shot +3 on the back 9

So what?

[Konklifer]

Looked worse than what Hideki did. 

[Holy Moses]

Just watch the video that everyone is posting. Put your cursor on the top of the ball before Clark "grounds" his club. See where your cursor is when he is done. The ball drops down 1/8" of an inch. Not sure if that helped or hurt him, but the ball moved to a different spot. 

[the bishop]

1 minute ago, TiScape said:

Are you by chance a lawyer? Just what came to mind as I read ur previous post. No disrespect meant 😇

No. 

[bekgolf]

5 minutes ago, jimecherry said:

that was thursday its saturday and willyz just shot +3 on the back 9

 

That's golf.

[jimecherry]

2 minutes ago, the bishop said:

So what?

if you wanted an example of watching good golf and not names on the leaderboard that was thursday not today. today was a war of attrition.

[m d g]

8 minutes ago, the bishop said:

Just giving my opinion on his intent, not the permissibility of it. 

 

Better to ask for forgiveness than permission  : )

[m d g]

13 minutes ago, the bishop said:

I think he was trying to understand where the bottom was so he could adjust his approach angle and not hit too high on the clubface or slide underneath it. 

 

You could do that 3 or 4 inches away anywhere around the ball...

[jdl]

11 minutes ago, Holy Moses said:

Just watch the video that everyone is posting. Put your cursor on the top of the ball before Clark "grounds" his club. See where your cursor is when he is done. The ball drops down 1/8" of an inch. Not sure if that helped or hurt him, but the ball moved to a different spot. 

That's the thing when I watch it, he wasn't just grounding it behind the ball, it looked like he went *under* the ball to me. But I am not a rules official nor do I play one on TV.

[bobfoster]

4 minutes ago, jdl said:

16 minutes ago, Holy Moses said:

Just watch the video that everyone is posting. Put your cursor on the top of the ball before Clark "grounds" his club. See where your cursor is when he is done. The ball drops down 1/8" of an inch. Not sure if that helped or hurt him, but the ball moved to a different spot. 

That's the thing when I watch it, he wasn't just grounding it behind the ball, it looked like he went *under* the ball to me. But I am not a rules official nor do I play one on TV

I cast that video to a large monitor. That ball definitely moved and did not settle back into the original position. 

[mbb86]

Meh on the Wyndham Clark clip. 

 

Regardless, so much better to watch this type of course setup (like Torrey) versus the nonsense we see week in and week out. Really enjoyed the on course description from Sahith. 

[subrew]

He flat out cheated. He did more than just lightly rest the club behind the ball, he mashy mashied it a couple of times.

 

Per the rules:  

 

A player is allowed to lightly ground the club right in front of or behind the ball, which means just setting it down enough to support its weight. If that’s all a player’s doing, even if it creates an improvement to the lie there is no penalty — see Rule 8.1b. If, however, a player goes beyond that (say, from light tapping to mush-mush-mushing) and creates an improvement, under Rule 8.1(a) it’s the general penalty of two strokes in stroke play and loss of hole in match play.

[Dave2golf2]

2 hours ago, Ronnie Mundt said:

Wyndham Clark, you sir, are a turd.

 

Have some respect for the King’s course.

 

I keep tellin' you guys this guy is a db, he covers it up pretty well most of the time, but deep down he's a db. He's building a reputation as a cheater too, man I despise this guy.

Edited March 9 by Dave2golf2

[m d g]

1 minute ago, Dave2golf2 said:

 

I keep tellin' you guys this guy is a db, he covers it up pretty well most of the time, but deep down he's a db. 

 

How can he be a defensive back if he plays golf?

[Holy Moses]

3 minutes ago, subrew said:

He flat out cheated. He did more than just lightly rest the club behind the ball, he mashy mashied it a couple of times.

 

Per the rules:  

 

A player is allowed to lightly ground the club right in front of or behind the ball, which means just setting it down enough to support its weight. If that’s all a player’s doing, even if it creates an improvement to the lie there is no penalty — see Rule 8.1b. If, however, a player goes beyond that (say, from light tapping to mush-mush-mushing) and creates an improvement, under Rule 8.1(a) it’s the general penalty of two strokes in stroke play and loss of hole in match play.

I don't think that's exactly what the rule says, but I'm open to clarification. The rule says you can lightly ground your club "even if doing so improves the conditions affecting your stroke," but the ball is not a condition affecting your stroke like the grass around the ball is. 

[TiScape]

1 minute ago, m d g said:

 

How can he be a defensive back if he plays golf?

I think he meant the size of an NFL defensive back 😇

[subrew]

Straight from the R&A.  IMO, it's the pressing down part that these guys routinly cheat on.  Scheffler in particular has been shown to smash his wedges down behind the ball multiple times on zoomed in TV coverage, laying the grass over at a 45* angle.

 

(4) Ground the club lightly right in front of or right behind the ball. “Ground the club lightly” means allowing the weight of the club to be supported by the grass, soil, sand or other material on or above the ground surface. But this does not allow:

• Pressing the club on the ground, or
• When a ball is in a bunker, touching the sand right in front of or right behind the ball (see Rule 12.2b(1)).

Edited March 9 by subrew

[GrandStranded]

30 minutes ago, the bishop said:

No. 

Are you a Bishop?

[kmbean]

6 minutes ago, GrandStranded said:

Are you a Bishop?

 

 

Edited March 9 by kmbean

[CourseJester]

Clark clearly pressed down multiple times to flatten the grass behind the ball. 
 

That’s Patrick Reed territory. 

[GrandStranded]

Just now, kmbean said:

 

I might end up regretting asking this, 😂 but the image wouldn’t load… can you, or someone else try it again?

[MaineMariner]

Between the grounding incident, hacking up the fairway in anger, and this 2:15 putt, Wyndham sure had himself an annoying day.

 

https://x.com/golfingbrock/status/1766572772098998783?s=46

[GrandStranded]

Just now, MaineMariner said:

Between the grounding incident, hacking up the fairway in anger, and this 2:15 putt, Wyndham sure had himself an annoying day.

 

https://x.com/golfingbrock/status/1766572772098998783?s=46

He’s definitely lost quite a bit of the reg crowd here today. He needs to either use a LAB broomstick, or switch drivers a few times to get them back.