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Handicap to play blades?

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golfinguru11golfinguru11 Nor Cal 333Members Posts: 333
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I know lots of tour pros don’t play blades but all of them could without losing much ground. But for ams, at what handicap do you start losing strokes gaming blades?

fyi-2 handicap who grew up on cbs, just now getting into blades

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  • danielt823danielt823 Melbourne 44Members Posts: 44
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    @golfinguru11 said:
    I know lots of tour pros don’t play blades but all of them could without losing much ground. But for ams, at what handicap do you start losing strokes gaming blades?

    fyi-2 handicap who grew up on cbs, just now getting into blades

    I’ve only been here on this forum a short time but already know this is one of the most talked about topics.

    It’s player dependant, one person may play better with blades because of confidence, the next may suck with them.

    Too many variables to determine and hard to quantify. My first round with MP-20 combos coming from JPX919 HM pro was my best round ever.

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  • rt_chargerrt_charger Ball Hitter  270Members Posts: 270
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    I think the overwhelming answer is that there is absolutely no handicap threshold to play blades - if like said before, you can elevate them; and you have the swing repeatability to find center more than not; you can play blades. Any handicap can play blades, not every player can.

    It is just statistical likelihood that fewer higher handicaps play blades and above a certain one you find any with blades because they don't have the swing to play them.

    I think the test is, if you can hit a blade 5 iron that goes high enough, you can play blades.

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  • BB28403BB28403  3883Members Posts: 3,883
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    Blades are just so beautiful. Especially older Mizuno, Miura and other brands.
    It’s about feel and precision. I guess if you fall under these parameters: Driver- ehh okay, Putter - ehh okay, irons: spot on, wedges: spot on.
    Then I say get blades.

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  • James the Hogan FanJames the Hogan Fan  867Members Posts: 867
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    Sarcastic answer: Depends on your handicapping body. For example, under the USGA system where the maximum possible handicap is 36.4 for men, 36.4. Under EGA, the maximum is 54, ergo the maximum to play blades is 54.0.

    Real answer: I have a friend who just took up the game. He bought a set of Macgregor Jack Nicklaus 086 blades for $10. That's his set and it's how he'll learn the game. Nothing wrong with that. Can you tolerate the performance of a blade on your sub-par swings? I'm a 6.9, and I can. But that doesn't mean you will, or anyone else will.

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    @danielt823 said:

    @golfinguru11 said:
    I know lots of tour pros don’t play blades but all of them could without losing much ground. But for ams, at what handicap do you start losing strokes gaming blades?

    fyi-2 handicap who grew up on cbs, just now getting into blades

    I’ve only been here on this forum a short time but already know this is one of the most talked about topics.

    It’s player dependant, one person may play better with blades because of confidence, the next may suck with them.

    Too many variables to determine and hard to quantify. My first round with MP-20 combos coming from JPX919 HM pro was my best round ever.

    What combo did you go with?

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    @tets said:
    ANY handicap... try this, go over your last round. Take your score, subtract all the putts you hit, then subtract any wedges include chip shots, bunker shots etc, next take away 18 tee shots ( if there are 4 par 3’s you can choose not to subtract them if you want) .. your “ other” shots will be somewhere around 10, plus or minus a few. You may also choose to subtract hybrids and fairway woods if you want. My point is play what irons you want, you probably use them less than you think.

    Great post.

    I'm playing to about a 6 right now. The reason I don't shoot par is I'm a terrible chipper and I have a drive a round that leads to a double bogey.

    I've played MP 30s, JPX 900 F and now MP 57s. My scores haven't changed much. I'd say the least "forgiving" were the MP30s and those are the only sticks I've broken par with.

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  • GoGoErkyGoGoErky  1984Members Posts: 1,984
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    Handicap and club type are almost as irrelevant as swing speed and club type.

    If one can’t find the center of the club head it’s going to penalize you regardless of what your handicap is.

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  • justasgoodjustasgood Without Tempo, you are just a hacker.  2917Members Posts: 2,917
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    No.......It is not a handicap to play blades.....

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  • herbert7890herbert7890 San Antonio 189Members Posts: 189
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    oh you just opened a gate you wish you didn't :open_mouth:

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    1. There is no handicap restriction.
    2. It is all preference.
    3. It will boil down to ball striking.
    4. blah blah blah.
    5. Blades are softer off the club face than CB's more often than not.
    6. Stop these threads.
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  • balls_deepballs_deep Wanna earn 14 bucks the hard way? 1613Members Posts: 1,613
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    @iceman1118 said:
    No handicap is necessary. How often do you strike the ball well? Here is a perfect example of this nonsense; last week I was out with my neighbor, former Euro Tour Pro, who has a set of MP-4 blades with PX 6.0 shafts. I game the 2019 P790s with C Taper 130 X. He is a 0 handicap (he does not play too much anymore, otherwise he would easily be a +3 or +4), I am a 7. We were standing on a par 3, 155 yards. I hit my 9 iron pin high, decent strike. I picked up his 9 iron "for science" and had same strike and divot and landed 2 yards short of my first shot. It's a mental thing in my opinion. Can I play blades regularly, absolutely. Do I have to? No. A super game improvement iron will not make you magically hit the ball straight. A blade will not make you chunk every shot. It's perception, plain and simple. No matter what club you are holding from driver to putter, you need to put a good swing on the ball. My two cents.

    IMO even a 20 could be fine playing a 9 iron blade. Playing a 210 par 3 over water from the tips you'd notice a difference between the MP4 4 iron and your own.

    That said, granted you have the speed to get the launch conditions right for blades the biggest considerations in my testing have been

    1. Sole grind - a sharper grind like Mizuno MP is less forgiving if you come into the ball even the slightest bit early
    2. Shaft - this is a huge consideration with any club but IMO makes a bigger difference with blades
    3. CG - if you find one that suits your contact and delivery it can work as well as a CB

    For me, granted the shaft is right, I have no issue hitting blades but I have the speed and contact to do so. I know golfers who are much better than I am as a whole who do much better with CBs.

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  • iceman1118iceman1118 Northeast 80Members Posts: 80
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    @balls_deep said:

    @iceman1118 said:
    No handicap is necessary. How often do you strike the ball well? Here is a perfect example of this nonsense; last week I was out with my neighbor, former Euro Tour Pro, who has a set of MP-4 blades with PX 6.0 shafts. I game the 2019 P790s with C Taper 130 X. He is a 0 handicap (he does not play too much anymore, otherwise he would easily be a +3 or +4), I am a 7. We were standing on a par 3, 155 yards. I hit my 9 iron pin high, decent strike. I picked up his 9 iron "for science" and had same strike and divot and landed 2 yards short of my first shot. It's a mental thing in my opinion. Can I play blades regularly, absolutely. Do I have to? No. A super game improvement iron will not make you magically hit the ball straight. A blade will not make you chunk every shot. It's perception, plain and simple. No matter what club you are holding from driver to putter, you need to put a good swing on the ball. My two cents.

    IMO even a 20 could be fine playing a 9 iron blade. Playing a 210 par 3 over water from the tips you'd notice a difference between the MP4 4 iron and your own.

    That said, granted you have the speed to get the launch conditions right for blades the biggest considerations in my testing have been

    1. Sole grind - a sharper grind like Mizuno MP is less forgiving if you come into the ball even the slightest bit early
    2. Shaft - this is a huge consideration with any club but IMO makes a bigger difference with blades
    3. CG - if you find one that suits your contact and delivery it can work as well as a CB

    For me, granted the shaft is right, I have no issue hitting blades but I have the speed and contact to do so. I know golfers who are much better than I am as a whole who do much better with CBs.

    Fair point.

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  • uglandeuglande  218Members Posts: 218
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    None. But every golfer (even most pros) reach a point of diminishing returns in their set. Anyone can hit a 9 iron blade but when you get to 5 or 6 iron your consistency will fall off and your yardage gaps will narrow.

    If you like to work the ball or flight the ball, blades are great. If you are mostly just trying to hit straight shots, then blades probably don't make sense unless you just love the look and feel.

    Maybe try a blended set with blades in the short irons and just try to identify the spot in your bag where the "cons" of blades start to outweigh the "pros."

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  • xyckinxyckin Singapore/Columbia,SC 26Members Posts: 26
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    Don't the older guys on this site always say that they started learning golf with blades and can still hit bombs at older ages?

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  • puttingmattputtingmatt puttingmatt Summer/ Michigan-- Winter/ Florida 5280Members Posts: 5,280
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    NO, NO, NO, The prerequisite to playing blades has nothing to do with handicap, It has to do with blade snobbery, or B S for short.
    You have to be able to hold your head higher than your average player, and hold disdain for all who do not play blades or those that
    Question your reason for playing blades. These boards and others are filled with this very question every week, merely weak golfers
    Who seem to be asking for permission to play a certain type of iron, when really their answer should not matter, grow some balls and
    Learn to say F U, to those that question your decision, and look down at them, who feel they have no game for blades.
    **** thee non blade player, **** thee to ****,

    We can go on for hours, but why ??????? If you can't be a Blade Snob, Why ask ??????

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  • JoeJoeJoeUrBoatJoeJoeJoeUrBoat Leamington Ontario 842Members Posts: 842
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    Cap is irrelevant to a certain degree. But you need to be a great ball striker who finds the middle of the face often.

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    I think my biggest question to the OP is what draws you to blades? Do you need to work the ball more? Are you getting too much distance with a GI iron? Do you just like the way they look? Legit questions...

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    There's no handicap, it's up to the individual. Clearly harder to hit than cavity backs but if you like them, play'em.

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    @golfinguru11 said:
    I know lots of tour pros don’t play blades but all of them could without losing much ground. But for ams, at what handicap do you start losing strokes gaming blades?

    fyi-2 handicap who grew up on cbs, just now getting into blades

    I expect some beginners would strike consistently better shots with small head blade irons compared to large head cavity back irons. So, to answer your question, I don't think a players handicap is relevant to iron head size and or blade vs cavity back. Players should try different iron designs and play the one which produces the consistently best results.

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  • danielt823danielt823 Melbourne 44Members Posts: 44
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    @aquapig said:

    @danielt823 said:

    @golfinguru11 said:
    I know lots of tour pros don’t play blades but all of them could without losing much ground. But for ams, at what handicap do you start losing strokes gaming blades?

    fyi-2 handicap who grew up on cbs, just now getting into blades

    I’ve only been here on this forum a short time but already know this is one of the most talked about topics.

    It’s player dependant, one person may play better with blades because of confidence, the next may suck with them.

    Too many variables to determine and hard to quantify. My first round with MP-20 combos coming from JPX919 HM pro was my best round ever.

    What combo did you go with?

    Without hijacking OP’s thread;
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  • TXTrapLordTXTrapLord r/TXGolf 72Members Posts: 72
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    @puttingmatt said:
    NO, NO, NO, The prerequisite to playing blades has nothing to do with handicap, It has to do with blade snobbery, or B S for short.
    You have to be able to hold your head higher than your average player, and hold disdain for all who do not play blades or those that
    Question your reason for playing blades. These boards and others are filled with this very question every week, merely weak golfers
    Who seem to be asking for permission to play a certain type of iron, when really their answer should not matter, grow some balls and
    Learn to say F U, to those that question your decision, and look down at them, who feel they have no game for blades.
    **** thee non blade player, **** thee to ****,

    We can go on for hours, but why ??????? If you can't be a Blade Snob, Why ask ??????

    Note , membership is growing at a better pace than last year and will be held on
    Every weekend at various golf venues across the world

    Lul wut?

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    GWOT Trap Lord

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    M3 - 3W
    MP-69 - 4-P
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  • chippa13chippa13  2480Members Posts: 2,480
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    @aquapig said:

    @tets said:
    ANY handicap... try this, go over your last round. Take your score, subtract all the putts you hit, then subtract any wedges include chip shots, bunker shots etc, next take away 18 tee shots ( if there are 4 par 3’s you can choose not to subtract them if you want) .. your “ other” shots will be somewhere around 10, plus or minus a few. You may also choose to subtract hybrids and fairway woods if you want. My point is play what irons you want, you probably use them less than you think.

    Great post.

    I'm playing to about a 6 right now. The reason I don't shoot par is I'm a terrible chipper and I have a drive a round that leads to a double bogey.

    I've played MP 30s, JPX 900 F and now MP 57s. My scores haven't changed much. I'd say the least "forgiving" were the MP30s and those are the only sticks I've broken par with.

    Funny how people always blame terrible chipping rather than inaccurate irons.

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  • MelloYelloMelloYello Upstate, SC 3637Members Posts: 3,637
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    The difference between a blade and a similarly-sized CB is going to come down to feel (and to some degree work-ability).

    As you strike a golf club off-center, it tends to twist and rotate. This is felt through the hands. The perimeter weighting on a CB will partially dampen these vibrations. A blade will provide harsher feedback when your strike varies around the face. Nonetheless, blades tend to feel a bit more pure when struck flush. Thus, those who can strike their irons flush sometimes find blades more appealing.

    I also suspect (based on my own experiences) that putting extra weight around the perimeter of a club (especially out at the toe) can tend to make the club harder to manipulate through impact and thus not as easy to work. So, IMHO, I think there might be something to the idea that blades make it slightly easier for a hand-sy player to shape shots on command.

    Beyond that, the differences are minimal. I enjoy having a little extra weight out at the toe because that's where I tend to miss on occasion and I believe a little extra mass does help me to stay pin high. Furthermore, I feel like I am more apt to start my CBs on line, probably due to the extra heft.

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  • PepperturboPepperturbo Midwest and Southwest 16077Members Posts: 16,077
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    Contrary to what may have been said, there is no handicap connected to losing strokes or playing blades. And whether someone plays blades depends greatly on the practice regime and game goals. And what costs strokes with any club is brain fa**s, poor self-control but let's not overlook people with a weasel mentality that think playing blades is about some form of snobbery. Never ceases to amaze me, people that can't or won't do whatever usually have judgment and or fear of failure issues, so they shouldn't play blades as they whine till the cows come home and whine some more to others.

    At forty years old, I took up the game with off the shelve Pings and switched to Mizuno blades after eight (8) months and reached high single-digit inside of five years, eventually got down to a two. The other day I was motivated so I got my blades out, and they didn't cost me any strokes and I am probably way older than "YOU." They reminded me just how sweet they can be. But it's also important to remember MB internal head design has everything to do with how difficult the head may be to properly hit the ball. All blade designs are NOT created equal, for that matter, neither are player CB's.

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