Video - Throw clubhead outward immediately.

Anybody have any feedback on this video?

You try to the throw the clubhead "outward" almost immediately from the top.

See his demonstration with the ball on the shaft to see exactly what he means because it may not be clear what he is saying until you see the demo.

I tried this and thought I would hit the ball poorly, but I think I am actually making better contact.

Fantastic!!

Do you try to assist the outward motion with the hands , or is that simply are result of the pivot?

I’ve heard Monte say this for years. You’ll also hear all of the Mike Austin guys advocating this. To me it’s the difference between throwing and hitting (not in a strict TGM terms). Nothing wrong with either.

More on topic.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7buuon9L_FQ

I have Monte's Drive for Dough lessons, and now I have to review them again.. I don't remember a specific topic about throwing the clubhead outward.

I swear I went thru all the videos and dont remember hearing about this concept, but I definitely could have missed it.

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Do you do the same swing for irons?

Got to throw with all clubs, it’s the release.

Yet another counter intuitive golf movement - body moves toward target, arms away during transition, quiver pull, straighten trail elbow (get hands away from shoulder), . . .

Martin Chuck from 2012 helping a guy with his swing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l5P7z2nxhIMore recent, Jake Hutt

https://www.instagram.com/p/B_Vif0-FREP/Pulling down with arms which is what a lot of ams do versus

doing the throw, quiver pull, etc

Is this throwing motion with all clubs or just driver? Martin Chuck seems to talk about two different moves, one with driver and one with irons, so I'm confused. What about with wedges...half and 3/4 shots?

same motion, not Jake is hitting an iron. How the force is direction through impact is different - driver slightly down to slightly up versus irons which is definitely down, talking aoa here.

Many folks swing driver like iron or vice versa then struggle on one end of the club spectrum or the other.

A long video with more than enough data but to get the main points can watch first 4 minutes then skip to the 30 minute mark to see the 2 case studies of a driver biased swing and an iron biased swing and what Tyler focused on to improve the golfer's overall swing.

Some eye opening stuff here.

I have to admit this works great with driver, went and hit 60 balls with driver and feels pretty effortless and getting some really nice high launch and more distance.

It was also nice that my shots had a tighter dispersion than normal... so hitting much straighter with this move.

And the insidious hook never reared its ugly head.

Hitting hybrids off a mat was a different story.. I feel this was causing me to bottom out too soon. Maybe my pivot too slow, not sure.

Just hit a handful of balls with this using a 7i. Interesting because it takes away a lot of the thoughts that cloud my mind sometimes. I focus on just rotating so the throw times out at the bottom. Seems to generate some easy clubhead speed.

I'm in this all for the clubhead speed. I've got other issues I need to work on...too steep in transition, EE etc, but my feeling is that I don't have enough clubhead speed or shaft lean at impact. In my normal swing, I feel like I'm putting in massive amount of effort for suboptimal clubhead speed, and it's driving me nuts. I have played around with this move in the past, but have only found intermittent success, but this might be due to the fact that I'm in a bad position at the top--too flat, too laid off, or that I'm not turning quickly enough. Anyway, it's good to have the move validated by both instructors and ams. It is a totally counterintuitive move, though, and goes against the bad or misunderstood advice many people have said over the years about not casting and trying to hold the lag.

I think Steve Pratts advice is similar to the L to L drill that Mike Malaska talks about, but presented in a different way.

The clubhead is moving a long way but your arms are NOT moving much (and do not pull), and to get that extra zip, you increase the speed of your pivot.

I'm hearing 'yes' to use this with irons, but what about on less than full shots with irons? What about your wedges...pitches, half and 3/4 shots? Or is this only a move for when more clubhead speed is desired?

Malaska often references Nicklaus who said he starts releasing the club from the top.

Tom Rezendes (sp?) of NorCalGolf offered essentially the same tip about seven years ago on YouTube (can't find the video anymore, however). First move from the top should be a "push away", then a pull down and through along the axis of the club. Don't apply force across the axis, at least not until after you hit the ball. For me, the initial push got my body to shift a bit forward, which is what I needed. I'm sure Rezendes' tip was "handed down" through other pros, but the way he presented it struck a chord with me.

Another one to add, I think this is really good because you feel what your left wrist should be doing the entire way through the swing.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7buuon9L_FQ

Not a bad move provided that your arms are fast enough to get the handle forward at impact.

Steve

Right..

I feel this works great with driver, but with other shorter clubs, I can't get the handle forward fast enough if I release immediately.

Driver is only the club where it seems ok to release immediately.

I don't know if this means my pivot speed needs to increase dramatically, but the hands are not quite getting to the forward position.

An insight into this would be great.

Your arms can move faster from the shoulder joints than you pivot can move them. Focus on swinging the arms and let the pivot be a response.

Steve

Ok.. I was experimenting with 1) arms releasing immediately from top and pivot responding and 2) pivot initiating the flinging of the arms immediately from the top

To be honest #2 is working better for me. But thanks for the info as I continue to experiment more.

That's another way to go. If it works for you practice until you can do it well and consistently.

Steve

I need to come up with a golf gimmick that promises people 20-30 yards. $$$$$

This is not a gimmick if you understand how opposing forces affect the club.

Ha! Coming up with the gimmick is a low barrier. Productizing and monetizing is a battle - lots of competition and an audience used to getting it for "free".

It's a stimulus the body, arms and club are reacting. Action and reaction.

Thanks OP interesting vid by Steve Pratt..... I really like how he rotates the front heel in at the top of backswing for an athletic move to help generate power and proper balance to power the club thru.... reminds me of when I played slow pitch and dropped bombs