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  • therealjonzonetherealjonzone Members  2820WRX Points: 394Handicap: 2.9Posts: 2,820 Titanium Tees
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    This very well could be because of the stiffness in the handle, not the tip, because you’re not able to load the shaft because of the stiffness in the upper third.

    I used to think the same thing with the Pro Blue TX, and actually hit the white considerably better because of the slightly softer handle.

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  • AndusAndus Members  144WRX Points: 70Posts: 144 Fairways
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    Interesting and good to know, I'll be interested to see how I get along with the Pro White TX, I'm definitely used to a relatively softer butt section and stiffer tip.

    Had a Ventus Black 6x not long ago and really wanted to love the shaft, but for me it felt too difficult to properly load and my launch angle was significantly lower than just about anything else I've tried. I'm hoping the Pro White doesn't feel as handle stiff as the Ventus Black.

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  • cw1209cw1209 Members  182WRX Points: 85Handicap: 5Posts: 182 Fairways
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    The AV Raw series is utter nonsense. I get that the TX flexes are the "real deal", but the website doesn't state what added materials are in the shaft to qualify the higher price point? Is there a boron tip? MR70 carbon fiber? Who knows. What about the bend profile on the TX? Doesn't say. On top of it the non-TX flexes are apparently just a rehash of the standard Tensei CK line. Graphite design and Fujikura do a great job to make sure you understand how their products relate to each other. Shaft profile guides, launch and spin charts, etc. Mitsubishi just says good luck!

    Tensei Pro line was great. The Diamana line continues to be their flagship. This AV Raw line is just frustrating.


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  • KevCannonKevCannon ClubWRX  482WRX Points: 206Handicap: 1.8Posts: 482 ClubWRX
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    Agree 100%. Mitsubishi’s shaft lineup has become so convoluted that I find myself just avoiding their shafts now. It’s too bad because obviously they have produced top quality shafts for years. Agree on Tensei Pro line being great, but then people got confused with the regular CK lineup, then av blue, and now av raw.

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  • third-times-a-charmthird-times-a-charm Members  3364WRX Points: 1,456Posts: 3,364 Titanium Tees
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    With Fuji shafts I only have to look for one the Ventus line check for 'Velocore' by the tip.

    With Mitsubishi it's like...ok check the weight is it 60/70/80 or 62/72/82? Then check the tip does it say 'Boron'? Then check the CK does the 'K' have a color? Then check under the grip does it have the weave all the way up the handle?

    Waaaay too much going on to verify their 'real' shafts - not to mention the lines between CK/AV/CK PRO ?? That all look the same lol


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  • keith723keith723 ClubWRX  2108WRX Points: 149Posts: 2,108 ClubWRX
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    looking forward to performance comparisons of the CK Pro White TX to the AV Raw White TX!

    Love the CK Pro White 70-TX in my 3 wood, it’s been fantastic. Curious how the AV Raw White TX would compare


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  • ignitewvuignitewvu Members  2332WRX Points: 285Posts: 2,332 Platinum Tees
    Joined:  edited Jul 31, 2020 4:58pm #98

    This also lead to me switching over to Fujikura. I'm playing better golf than I have in a decade. My Driver and Fairway wood are weapons again.......The Overall feel of the Evo IV with the SIM MAX has just produced an easily repeatable driver swing. The old Motore 7.3TS tipped 1" might be the best fairway wood shaft I have ever hit off both the Deck & Tee & it cost me about 30 dollars..

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  • ValtielValtiel Konica-Minolta Bizhub Members  4001WRX Points: 2,008Handicap: 1.7Posts: 4,001 Titanium Tees
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    I swear those old Motores are probably the best bang for the buck shaft out there when you find a good deal. I especially like the Speeder Evo graphic ones like the DJ shaft we've talked about. I have a 7.2 TS that i'm looking forward to testing in the driver at some point.

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  • odshot68odshot68 MIMembers  8164WRX Points: 232Handicap: +.7Posts: 8,164 Titanium Tees
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    I so wish MCA would have made a Tensei White 80 stiff shaft. The TX is just plain too much for me. I hated the CK and with the AV Raw seaming to follow suit perhaps I look at another OEM.


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  • burns9304burns9304 Members  377WRX Points: 111Posts: 377 Greens
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    The CK Pro and the AV Raw feel completely different. The AV Raw is SO MUCH smoother than the CK pro.

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  • minhjnminhjn Members  3229WRX Points: 70Posts: 3,229 Titanium Tees
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    I did a little comparison between the Raw White and Pro White in the member testing thread. No numbers, but just feel mostly


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