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Justin Rose leaving Honma ???

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  • JonnyKrasnodarJonnyKrasnodar Members  1910WRX Points: 183Posts: 1,910 Platinum Tees
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  • StonebridgeStonebridge Members  401WRX Points: 88Handicap: 0.0Posts: 401 Greens
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    Really like to see Justin play better. Hard to blame the quality of Honma clubs. Justin may need to find a new coach and fire Foley given the swing issues he mentioned recently. In 2018 Justin was #6 in ball striking and in 2020, #221 in ball striking.

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  • jjljjl Members  1354WRX Points: 162Handicap: 11.3Posts: 1,354 Platinum Tees
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    I'll never understand why a player at the top of his game would sign an equipment contract with an unproven or different company for the sake of the endorsement money.. if you lose your game you lose your livelihood. We all know how mental golfers are with their equipment...if the slightest bit of doubt creeps in your game goes to s*.

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  • HedgehogHedgehog EUMembers  543WRX Points: 228Handicap: 5Posts: 543 Golden Tee
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    So it's Monday, has there been an announcement yet?

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  • JackpotJohnnyJackpotJohnny Members  2695WRX Points: 258Posts: 2,695 Titanium Tees
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    Exactly. They build clubs in San Diego, and they are currently hiring.

    The reports of their demise are greatly exaggerated.

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  • ephmenephmen Members  348WRX Points: 119Posts: 348 Greens
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    Trust me, Honma doesn't suck. The XP-1 Hybrids I am currently bagging are the best hybrids I have ever played. Beat out all other OEMs offerings, for me, of course.

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    They are, but the comment was regarding his apparel.

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  • TheInfidelTheInfidel Gotta let the Big Dog eat.... Members  1640WRX Points: 269Posts: 1,640 Platinum Tees
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    He's done a full Bubba here. Took delivery of the truck load of cash before taking delivery of the club's he'd have to use day in, day out. Tough call when his long time friend is who pulled him over to the brand.

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  • Yanki01Yanki01 TEXASMembers  6552WRX Points: 664Handicap: 4.4Posts: 6,552 Titanium Tees
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    Honma - "we've agreed to part ways."


    is what i'd expect.

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    You realize he won his first tournament with them in the bag and finished 2nd at the us open with them in the bag right.

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    Has Sean Foley ever made anyone good? Hunter Mahan was one of his students and he's fallen very far from where he used to be.

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  • TheInfidelTheInfidel Gotta let the Big Dog eat.... Members  1640WRX Points: 269Posts: 1,640 Platinum Tees
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    I absolutely do, and that's what surprised me the most. He's now got a full bag to TM so I don't think that Rosey thinks a win is coming any time soon with the Honma clubs.

    At least Rosey tested the clubs himself and didn't let Lordy do it, after all Bubba took a 1mil pay out after Ted tested the ball for him.

    Don't get me wrong I've hit some of the Honma stuff since they've upped their presence in Europe and it's quality is undeniable. But he's ditched all 13 clubs that he had and an announcement is imminent.

    I'd love it if just one guy said "I'm being paid a shed tonne of $$$ to game this stuff and that's the bottom line".

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  • GoGoErkyGoGoErky Members  2793WRX Points: 985Posts: 2,793 Titanium Tees
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    it might not be about what results thought was or wasn’t going to happen with honma in the bag. One of the issues with TM and his contract was the flexibility he wasn’t going to have to use putter tech and what TM wanted from him. King had gone to Honma who Rose has a relationship with. That led to the signing and Rose had input into the design of the clubs and flexibility with what was on the bag by signing a 10 club deal. King leaves Honma in the summer time and now that relationship with the brand changes. We don’t know the behind the scenes issues and what may have taken place with design input and what Honma could or couldn’t do and we may not even get that insight in the statement from either side.

    It could easily be about input and possible contract language around that and maybe even if King left that caused this divorce.

    It makes sense for him to go to full bag if TM in the short term since he has familiarity with the performance until he can figure out what his next step is.

    Sometimes it’s not about the money and I don’t know if he can get a big time contract again at this point in his career

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  • bcflyguy1bcflyguy1 Enjoying my coffee... Members  3102WRX Points: 188Handicap: 0.0Posts: 3,102 Titanium Tees
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    Apologies if this has been mentioned already, but have to wonder if Rose leaving Honma was a relationship driven change. Mark King was the TMAG NA president when Rose was with them, and King was a "strategic adviser" for Honma when Rose signed with them. Mark King leaves Honma to go run Taco Bell, and a few months later Rosey follows him out the door and returns to familiar environs. Pretty sure the dynamics at play are all but identical to those behind the recent exodus from the PXG playing staff.

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  • RedWings1RedWings1 MichiganMembers  400WRX Points: 98Handicap: 3.8Posts: 400 Greens
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    bcflyguy1, don't apologize you and GoGoErky both restated what I said previously on pg5 just gave it more detail. That's a great and that's how we help everyone out. There is no issue with the irons or wedges. Its all about business (M.King), money & contract, And then to the smallest margin the driver, 3W & 5w and shafts.

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    When did Mark King leave? I need to figure out how long until I need to take out a short position on Taco Bell ...

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    Pretty sure if you gave almost any professional 36 mulligans for 36 holes, their score would improve. That's a ridiculous statement and proves literally nothing. He missed the cut at the Honda as well with different clubs. He missed the cut at the Farmers Insurance as well, again, with different clubs in and out of the bag. You're proving my point, that the equipment he plays holds no value on his performance at the moment. You're not hearing what I'm saying. It's not Honma's fault or TaylorMade's fault. Yes, I believe what I posted.

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  • jadedennilljadedennill Members  290WRX Points: 95Posts: 290 Greens
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    Even the best players on this forum aren't in the same league in terms of precision and feel in equipment as a guy like Rose. IF that feel equates to confidence, then it is absolutely a valid argument. He's looking for trajectory windows down to the foot.

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  • swgolf12swgolf12 Members  1113WRX Points: 241Posts: 1,113 Platinum Tees
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    Lolol, other than Justin Rose what's he got to hang his hat on besides being one of the very few coaches Tiger didn't win a major with. Rose got all the way up to #6 in the world before working with Foley. Hunter Mahan? Stephen Ames? Sean O'Hair? It's funny how you're basing a teachers entire success upon 1 student, but I guess you were too busy trying to be funny you half arsed your response.

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    Sides are still talking and nothing expected before the players per Wall

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    Don't know if there is any truth to this rumor but I read on Twitter that the Honma rep removed the clubs from his bag at the API. He had no choice but to fill his bag up with anything he could find. Might make sense why he had Project X in play may of been someones backup set or something.

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    Hes going back to Greatness!!! He had problems with the putter when he first switched.

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    If true that would be insane as why wouldn't Honma want more free tv time.

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