Saw some new Callaway Woods last night (The Epic Thread)

[Dscvrr St Louis]

Both models are available LH.

 

I cannot get the thread of the Callaway trip to open. Anyone else having this problem?

 

You are probably blocked since you should BE there!!

[PostandGhost]

Possible reason: CT measurement as performed by the USGA's pendulum drop test does not accurately measure COR, and the Epic head has a higher COR from the "Jail Break" bars, yet still conforms to the CT testing limit.

 

I have a feeling that once this driver is released, we are going to see another site (MGS) use the old cannon COR test to evaluate this theory. I can't wait to see what is fact and what is fiction.

[QMany]

I cannot get the thread of the Callaway trip to open. Anyone else having this problem?

Are you browsing on the app? There is a bug on the app with that thread. I have to view through the mobile website.

[PeterTheFish]

I cannot get the thread of the Callaway trip to open. Anyone else having this problem?

Are you browsing on the app? There is a bug on the app with that thread. I have to view through the mobile website.

 

I'm having the same issue with Tapatalk. This is the only forum with an issue, seems like half the threads I try to read won't open. It's a pain - after using this app for so long navigating through mobile versions of forums is painful.

[hef63303]

Would love to be there! Looks warmer than Illinois

[pitchinwedge]

Possible reason: CT measurement as performed by the USGA's pendulum drop test does not accurately measure COR, and the Epic head has a higher COR from the "Jail Break" bars, yet still conforms to the CT testing limit.

 

As I understand it the Jailbreak technology is not changing the COR or CT. It has nothing to do with the flexing of the face. Rather it is reducing the amount of energy that is being lost because the bottom and the crown are flexing. Thus the Epic heads are more efficient at transferring the energy to the ball.

 

This is important because until the other manufacturers figure out how to duplicate this (within the constraints of Callaway's patent) Callaway will have a distance advantage that no other manufacture will be able to match using current designs.

 

Makes sense to me. The energy that was going into bulging of the crown and sole is now going into the ball.

 

Yes, but as I said earlier in this thread, if this is true, this head would fail the COR test. This would imply that more than 83% of the energy is being transmitted to the ball. I believe it could get around the CT test though.

 

Bottom line is smash factor. Haven't yet seen data showing better smash factor with the Epic. Seems everyone that says they got more ball speed did so by increasing their swing speed.

 

Possible reason: CT measurement as performed by the USGA's pendulum drop test does not accurately measure COR, and the Epic head has a higher COR from the "Jail Break" bars, yet still conforms to the CT testing limit.

 

I have a feeling that once this driver is released, we are going to see another site (MGS) use the old cannon COR test to evaluate this theory. I can't wait to see what is fact and what is fiction.

 

Can't wait to see this as well. I doubt there will be a difference though. Like I said before, there's not been sufficient evidence the head is "hotter" because we haven't seen the smash factors to back it up.

[FairwayFred]

Numbers from recent fitting on trackman

 

Tour Issue M2 (average numbers)

Swing speed - 95.2

Ballspeed - 141.7

Launch - 13.7

Spin - 2291

 

Epic GBB (average numbers)

Swing speed - 96.1

Ballspeed - 145.5

Launch - 14.0

Spin - 2348

 

I didn't pay as much attention to total distance numbers but I was carrying the Epic about 10-12y further on average.

[misplacedtexan83]

Probably non-confirming is the only thing that can explain those numbers.

 

 

--trolling of course--

 

Awesome numbers. How was the consistency compared to the M2?

[hurricanes7]

Numbers from recent fitting on trackman

 

Tour Issue M2 (average numbers)

Swing speed - 95.2

Ballspeed - 141.7

Launch - 13.7

Spin - 2291

 

Epic GBB (average numbers)

Swing speed - 96.1

Ballspeed - 145.5

Launch - 14.0

Spin - 2348

 

I didn't pay as much attention to total distance numbers but I was carrying the Epic about 10-12y further on average.

 

wow those are great numbers. how did u manage to hit it and with what shaft

[FairwayFred]

Probably non-confirming is the only thing that can explain those numbers.

 

 

--trolling of course--

 

Awesome numbers. How was the consistency compared to the M2?

 

Both very good in the consistency department but id say the Epic wins there too. Extremely easy to hit high long and straight. Will be going straight into my bag as soon as I get my hands on one that I can keep haha.

[FairwayFred]

Numbers from recent fitting on trackman

 

Tour Issue M2 (average numbers)

Swing speed - 95.2

Ballspeed - 141.7

Launch - 13.7

Spin - 2291

 

Epic GBB (average numbers)

Swing speed - 96.1

Ballspeed - 145.5

Launch - 14.0

Spin - 2348

 

I didn't pay as much attention to total distance numbers but I was carrying the Epic about 10-12y further on average.

 

wow those are great numbers. how did u manage to hit it and with what shaft

 

M2 has a Fujikura Speeder Evolution 3 757 and the Epic had a Fujikura Speeder Platinum 7S once we dialed in the right combo.

[misplacedtexan83]

Bad @$$!

 

Interested to know what lofts...if you don't mind.

 

Now that I saw the shaft... platinum? Hmmmm...

[FairwayFred]

Bad @$$!

 

Interested to know what lofts...if you don't mind.

 

Now that I saw the shaft... platinum? Hmmmm...

 

M2 is 9.5 set one click towards LOWER. Epic was 9* set to N/S.

 

I also hit it with the stock Rogue Max 75 and it was a close second to the Platinum which I'd not really ever heard of before I went into this fitting.

 

As for how, let's just say I was in the right place at the right time.

[misplacedtexan83]

Crazy good averages with both.

 

Nice to see that ball speed come up!

 

I finally get to see them tomorrow but I doubt I can "borrow" it for a just little bit.

[J2putts]

One of the instructors at Joe and Leighs got to swing one when callaway rep came by with one. He said it's LEGIT ..saw increase in ball speed consistently between 5 to 7 mph more.

[Peanut191]

Numbers from recent fitting on trackman

 

Tour Issue M2 (average numbers)

Swing speed - 95.2

Ballspeed - 141.7

Launch - 13.7

Spin - 2291

 

Epic GBB (average numbers)

Swing speed - 96.1

Ballspeed - 145.5

Launch - 14.0

Spin - 2348

 

I didn't pay as much attention to total distance numbers but I was carrying the Epic about 10-12y further on average.

 

Those are very good ballspeed numbers for those swing speed numbers. What smash factor do those calculate out to?

[MBBG]

1.488 M2

 

1.514 for the Epic

[jol]

Bad @$$!

 

Interested to know what lofts...if you don't mind.

 

Now that I saw the shaft... platinum? Hmmmm...

 

M2 is 9.5 set one click towards LOWER. Epic was 9* set to N/S.

 

I also hit it with the stock Rogue Max 75 and it was a close second to the Platinum which I'd not really ever heard of before I went into this fitting.

 

As for how, let's just say I was in the right place at the right time.

Is the Platinum one of the upgrade shafts available? If not, I think it is VERY expensive.

[misplacedtexan83]

I saying yes to the free upgraded if "Whomever" had it for him to demo.. If not can't see it being too over expensive compare to others that may be on the list.

[Peanut191]

1.488 M2

 

1.514 for the Epic

 

Wow, above 1.5 for the Epic. That is impressive.

[FairwayFred]

I saying yes to the free upgraded if "Whomever" had it for him to demo.. If not can't see it being too over expensive compare to others that may be on the list.

 

I am not sure what shafts are available but I don't think the Platinum is a standard offering unfortunately. That shaft was a part of the fitters pre-existing Callaway driver fit cart which includes after market shafts unavailable through Callaway.

[Palauan Hammer]

I really need this driver! LOL :) :telephone:

[hurricanes7]

Bad @$$!

 

Interested to know what lofts...if you don't mind.

 

Now that I saw the shaft... platinum? Hmmmm...

 

M2 is 9.5 set one click towards LOWER. Epic was 9* set to N/S.

 

I also hit it with the stock Rogue Max 75 and it was a close second to the Platinum which I'd not really ever heard of before I went into this fitting.

 

As for how, let's just say I was in the right place at the right time.

 

whats the deal with the rogue max? right place, right time is always the best way to go, great job

[misplacedtexan83]

I saying yes to the free upgraded if "Whomever" had it for him to demo.. If not can't see it being too over expensive compare to others that may be on the list.

 

I am not sure what shafts are available but I don't think the Platinum is a standard offering unfortunately. That shaft was a part of the fitters pre-existing Callaway driver fit cart which includes after market shafts unavailable through Callaway.

 

Hmm.. interesting because Callaway doesn't offer the Platinum as an upgrade online.. Right time right place like you said. Im jelly for sure!

[shakey]

I will get another chance to hit the regular Epic either tomorrow or Wednesday. Gonna test it against my M2 and other drivers at my store. Will post results.

[campion]

I saying yes to the free upgraded if "Whomever" had it for him to demo.. If not can't see it being too over expensive compare to others that may be on the list.

 

I am not sure what shafts are available but I don't think the Platinum is a standard offering unfortunately. That shaft was a part of the fitters pre-existing Callaway driver fit cart which includes after market shafts unavailable through Callaway.

 

Hmm.. interesting because Callaway doesn't offer the Platinum as an upgrade online.. Right time right place like you said. Im jelly for sure!

The platinum is a super shaft but very expensive there's no way that's an upgrade without substantial upcharge great shaft thought I think it uses t1100 carbon through the whole thing.

 

http://www.pgatour.com/equipmentreport/2016/05/23/fujikura-speeder-platinum-shaft.html

 

[jol]

I saying yes to the free upgraded if "Whomever" had it for him to demo.. If not can't see it being too over expensive compare to others that may be on the list.

 

I am not sure what shafts are available but I don't think the Platinum is a standard offering unfortunately. That shaft was a part of the fitters pre-existing Callaway driver fit cart which includes after market shafts unavailable through Callaway.

 

Hmm.. interesting because Callaway doesn't offer the Platinum as an upgrade online.. Right time right place like you said. Im jelly for sure!

The platinum is a super shaft but very expensive there's no way that's an upgrade without substantial upcharge great shaft thought I think it uses t1100 carbon through the whole thing.

 

http://www.pgatour.com/equipmentreport/2016/05/23/fujikura-speeder-platinum-shaft.html

thats what I thought. $550 for the shaft is a bit much.

[misplacedtexan83]

I saying yes to the free upgraded if "Whomever" had it for him to demo.. If not can't see it being too over expensive compare to others that may be on the list.

 

I am not sure what shafts are available but I don't think the Platinum is a standard offering unfortunately. That shaft was a part of the fitters pre-existing Callaway driver fit cart which includes after market shafts unavailable through Callaway.

 

Hmm.. interesting because Callaway doesn't offer the Platinum as an upgrade online.. Right time right place like you said. Im jelly for sure!

The platinum is a super shaft but very expensive there's no way that's an upgrade without substantial upcharge great shaft thought I think it uses t1100 carbon through the whole thing.

 

http://www.pgatour.c...inum-shaft.html

 

True and hopefully it will be added in their upgrade stable...

[MtlJeff]

Maybe it's hidden within the 64 pages here...but does anyone know if the SZ will be available left hand?

 

Yes it will, I hit it today

[Pakan]

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