New $500 Flightscope personal launch monitor (MERGED)

[somaplr]

Hey guys I emailed the guys at flightscope and got some info back. Hope this helps....

 

Thanks for your enquiry regarding the FlightScope Mevo which will be available in the UK in April.

 

To answer you specific questions.

 

You will be able to use it in indoor and outdoor environments. Indoors, using Dopplar Radar, it will track the ball until it hits the net and then calculate the distance, outdoors it will track the ball about 7 metres and from the data it measures it will calculate the distance.

 

I hope that helps

 

I'm glad you posted your conversation with them, it seems to contradict what they told me about outside use.

 

Sounds more and more like we're just going to have to grin and bear not having any info and wait until they release the product. It's a shame that they can't be in line with the info they give out and to be quite honest, I'm surprised they are even allowed to answer questions about it.

 

You had to prod for the information, more or less, if you know what questions to ask they weren't going to lie

[b.helts]

Hey guys I emailed the guys at flightscope and got some info back. Hope this helps....

 

Thanks for your enquiry regarding the FlightScope Mevo which will be available in the UK in April.

 

To answer you specific questions.

 

You will be able to use it in indoor and outdoor environments. Indoors, using Dopplar Radar, it will track the ball until it hits the net and then calculate the distance, outdoors it will track the ball about 7 metres and from the data it measures it will calculate the distance.

 

I hope that helps

 

I'm glad you posted your conversation with them, it seems to contradict what they told me about outside use.

 

Sounds more and more like we're just going to have to grin and bear not having any info and wait until they release the product. It's a shame that they can't be in line with the info they give out and to be quite honest, I'm surprised they are even allowed to answer questions about it.

 

You had to prod for the information, more or less, if you know what questions to ask they weren't going to lie

 

But someone earlier in the thread asked a similar question and they said that it would track the entire ball flight. It's not a question of asking the correct questions, it's a question of getting two different answers to the same question.

[Evolved]

Anyone know what flightscopes return policy is? I have access to a Xi so I could buy a Mevo and test it head to head against the Xi but if the Mevo isn't accurate I wouldn't want to keep it.

[somaplr]

Hey guys I emailed the guys at flightscope and got some info back. Hope this helps....

 

Thanks for your enquiry regarding the FlightScope Mevo which will be available in the UK in April.

 

To answer you specific questions.

 

You will be able to use it in indoor and outdoor environments. Indoors, using Dopplar Radar, it will track the ball until it hits the net and then calculate the distance, outdoors it will track the ball about 7 metres and from the data it measures it will calculate the distance.

 

I hope that helps

 

I'm glad you posted your conversation with them, it seems to contradict what they told me about outside use.

 

Sounds more and more like we're just going to have to grin and bear not having any info and wait until they release the product. It's a shame that they can't be in line with the info they give out and to be quite honest, I'm surprised they are even allowed to answer questions about it.

 

You had to prod for the information, more or less, if you know what questions to ask they weren't going to lie

 

But someone earlier in the thread asked a similar question and they said that it would track the entire ball flight. It's not a question of asking the correct questions, it's a question of getting two different answers to the same question.

 

I think I read that the guy told him "the radar is tracking in the same way" which is basically true, it's still using radar to track - then calculate the rest. Semantics I guess. I don't believe they were trying to mislead with that statement. I mean I know a little bit about the technology, I assumed maybe like he did that at a $500 price people would know it's not going to be the same technology just dumbed down.

[QMany]

He specifically told me that MEVO would track the entire ball flight. I think that is where the confusion lies.

[mn44]

So this will only work with iphones/ipads? No android?

[poppman2142]

I emailed some specific questions and the person that emailed me back basically said to just wait until the information comes out on the website. I think they're tired of fielding emails about it.

[Pryoritiesinc]

Any idea what they mean by: SPIN RATE (when metallic dot is used) ??

 

 

Maybe it means that it gives the spin rate (rpm's) but not the spin axis.

 

I have an email into the company, but my ES14 shows spin rate, but not axis.

[Golfrnut]

Any idea what they mean by: SPIN RATE (when metallic dot is used) ??

 

 

Maybe it means that it gives the spin rate (rpm's) but not the spin axis.

 

I have an email into the company, but my ES14 shows spin rate, but not axis.

 

 

Your ES14 does not measure spin or axis. That number you see is nothing more than a guess.

[TM_HOYER]

Reading some of the posts, it looks like some people are looking for the measurements (rather than calculations) and accuracy that the $10,000 - $20,000 launch monitors offer, but want to pay $500. If your game is to the point that you need the accuracy of a Trackman, the Mevo is not going to be for you. If you are someone that would like to get some numbers while working on your game at the range, the Mevo will be worth looking at and comparing to the Ernest ES14.

[Skedaddle]

The es14 doesn't measure it estimates. See par2pro review on YouTube to see how far out the numbers are

 

Reading some of the posts, it looks like some people are looking for the measurements (rather than calculations) and accuracy that the $10,000 - $20,000 launch monitors offer, but want to pay $500. If your game is to the point that you need the accuracy of a Trackman, the Mevo is not going to be for you. If you are someone that would like to get some numbers while working on your game at the range, the Mevo will be worth looking at and comparing to the Ernest ES14.

[TM_HOYER]

The es14 doesn't measure it estimates. See par2pro review on YouTube to see how far out the numbers are

 

Reading some of the posts, it looks like some people are looking for the measurements (rather than calculations) and accuracy that the $10,000 - $20,000 launch monitors offer, but want to pay $500. If your game is to the point that you need the accuracy of a Trackman, the Mevo is not going to be for you. If you are someone that would like to get some numbers while working on your game at the range, the Mevo will be worth looking at and comparing to the Ernest ES14.

 

Here are quotes from the GolfWRX review of the ES14 on what is measured and what is calculated.

 

"launch monitor that measures club head speed and ball speed. It also calculates spin rate, launch angle, carry and total distance."

 

"The ES14 has two Dopplers, one that faces forward to capture the ball flight, and one that faces rearward to capture the club head. The measured inputs are club head speed and ball speed, which present an accurate smash factor. The spin rate and launch angle, as well as carry and total distance, are calculations."

 

Also here is the link to the review where accuracy compared to a trackman was compared.

http://www.golfwrx.com/290441/review-ernest-sports-es14-personal-launch-monitor/

 

In a way all numbers from all launch monitors are calculated. They have to take the information from the Doppler or camera and interpret the data to calculate a value.

[Golfrnut]

The es14 doesn't measure it estimates. See par2pro review on YouTube to see how far out the numbers are

 

Reading some of the posts, it looks like some people are looking for the measurements (rather than calculations) and accuracy that the $10,000 - $20,000 launch monitors offer, but want to pay $500. If your game is to the point that you need the accuracy of a Trackman, the Mevo is not going to be for you. If you are someone that would like to get some numbers while working on your game at the range, the Mevo will be worth looking at and comparing to the Ernest ES14.

 

Here are quotes from the GolfWRX review of the ES14 on what is measured and what is calculated.

 

"launch monitor that measures club head speed and ball speed. It also calculates spin rate, launch angle, carry and total distance."

 

"The ES14 has two Dopplers, one that faces forward to capture the ball flight, and one that faces rearward to capture the club head. The measured inputs are club head speed and ball speed, which present an accurate smash factor. The spin rate and launch angle, as well as carry and total distance, are calculations."

 

Also here is the link to the review where accuracy compared to a trackman was compared.

http://www.golfwrx.c...launch-monitor/

 

In a way all numbers from all launch monitors are calculated. They have to take the information from the Doppler or camera and interpret the data to calculate a value.

 

 

Let's word it this way....

 

"The ES14 does not take any kind of spin measurements to create any calculations". The number it displays is based on nothing factual.

[goatbarn]

The es14 doesn't measure it estimates. See par2pro review on YouTube to see how far out the numbers are

 

Reading some of the posts, it looks like some people are looking for the measurements (rather than calculations) and accuracy that the $10,000 - $20,000 launch monitors offer, but want to pay $500. If your game is to the point that you need the accuracy of a Trackman, the Mevo is not going to be for you. If you are someone that would like to get some numbers while working on your game at the range, the Mevo will be worth looking at and comparing to the Ernest ES14.

 

Here are quotes from the GolfWRX review of the ES14 on what is measured and what is calculated.

 

"launch monitor that measures club head speed and ball speed. It also calculates spin rate, launch angle, carry and total distance."

 

"The ES14 has two Dopplers, one that faces forward to capture the ball flight, and one that faces rearward to capture the club head. The measured inputs are club head speed and ball speed, which present an accurate smash factor. The spin rate and launch angle, as well as carry and total distance, are calculations."

 

Also here is the link to the review where accuracy compared to a trackman was compared.

http://www.golfwrx.com/290441/review-ernest-sports-es14-personal-launch-monitor/

 

In a way all numbers from all launch monitors are calculated. They have to take the information from the Doppler or camera and interpret the data to calculate a value.

 

The difference is, their "calculation" is actually an estimation. The calculation that LMs like the big doppler radars do (re: spin, indoors/with stickers) is count revolutions of the ball that were MEASURED via reflection from metallic sticker. Huge difference.

 

Hell everything is a calculation, but they know they're misleading by saying such. GC2's measure the spin rate, but really there are a bunch of calculations based off the 6-10 pics it takes of the ball in the first couple feet of flight. That calculation vs the calculation you're talking about is completely different. That's why we say this measures this/that, and the other doesn't, when both are actually calculating.

 

Huge difference. The ES14 is just measuring (with calculations of course) CHS and BS, and estimating everything else. A LM like GC2 is measuring ball launch angle/speed, spin, spin axis, and azimuth (with calculations, again), and then estimating carry.

 

Only a long range radar unit like TM or FS would be able to say they're measuring carry, as they track the ball until it lands (or disappears from view), when used outdoors.

 

It's very sneaky marketing. The little guys all do it. It's up to the consumer to know something about the technology and know whats BS and what is truth.

[Skedaddle]

Give me a launch monitor that measures spin and launch over one that calculates any day. Especially when looking at driver

 

The es14 doesn't measure it estimates. See par2pro review on YouTube to see how far out the numbers are

 

Reading some of the posts, it looks like some people are looking for the measurements (rather than calculations) and accuracy that the $10,000 - $20,000 launch monitors offer, but want to pay $500. If your game is to the point that you need the accuracy of a Trackman, the Mevo is not going to be for you. If you are someone that would like to get some numbers while working on your game at the range, the Mevo will be worth looking at and comparing to the Ernest ES14.

 

Here are quotes from the GolfWRX review of the ES14 on what is measured and what is calculated.

 

"launch monitor that measures club head speed and ball speed. It also calculates spin rate, launch angle, carry and total distance."

 

"The ES14 has two Dopplers, one that faces forward to capture the ball flight, and one that faces rearward to capture the club head. The measured inputs are club head speed and ball speed, which present an accurate smash factor. The spin rate and launch angle, as well as carry and total distance, are calculations."

 

Also here is the link to the review where accuracy compared to a trackman was compared.

http://www.golfwrx.com/290441/review-ernest-sports-es14-personal-launch-monitor/

 

In a way all numbers from all launch monitors are calculated. They have to take the information from the Doppler or camera and interpret the data to calculate a value.

[TM_HOYER]

The es14 doesn't measure it estimates. See par2pro review on YouTube to see how far out the numbers are

 

Reading some of the posts, it looks like some people are looking for the measurements (rather than calculations) and accuracy that the $10,000 - $20,000 launch monitors offer, but want to pay $500. If your game is to the point that you need the accuracy of a Trackman, the Mevo is not going to be for you. If you are someone that would like to get some numbers while working on your game at the range, the Mevo will be worth looking at and comparing to the Ernest ES14.

 

Here are quotes from the GolfWRX review of the ES14 on what is measured and what is calculated.

 

"launch monitor that measures club head speed and ball speed. It also calculates spin rate, launch angle, carry and total distance."

 

"The ES14 has two Dopplers, one that faces forward to capture the ball flight, and one that faces rearward to capture the club head. The measured inputs are club head speed and ball speed, which present an accurate smash factor. The spin rate and launch angle, as well as carry and total distance, are calculations."

 

Also here is the link to the review where accuracy compared to a trackman was compared.

http://www.golfwrx.c...launch-monitor/

 

In a way all numbers from all launch monitors are calculated. They have to take the information from the Doppler or camera and interpret the data to calculate a value.

 

The difference is, their "calculation" is actually an estimation. The calculation that LMs like the big doppler radars do (re: spin, indoors/with stickers) is count revolutions of the ball that were MEASURED via reflection from metallic sticker. Huge difference.

 

Hell everything is a calculation, but they know they're misleading by saying such. GC2's measure the spin rate, but really there are a bunch of calculations based off the 6-10 pics it takes of the ball in the first couple feet of flight. That calculation vs the calculation you're talking about is completely different. That's why we say this measures this/that, and the other doesn't, when both are actually calculating.

 

Huge difference. The ES14 is just measuring (with calculations of course) CHS and BS, and estimating everything else. A LM like GC2 is measuring ball launch angle/speed, spin, spin axis, and azimuth (with calculations, again), and then estimating carry.

 

Only a long range radar unit like TM or FS would be able to say they're measuring carry, as they track the ball until it lands (or disappears from view), when used outdoors.

 

It's very sneaky marketing. The little guys all do it. It's up to the consumer to know something about the technology and know whats BS and what is truth.

 

There is a reason that some launch monitors are tens of thousands of dollars and others are hundreds of dollars. They use components that are more accurate and do more but cost a lot more. As I originally said, if your game is such that you need the accuracy of a Trackman, the Mevo and ES14 are not for you. But for someone like me (average golfer), the numbers are close enough to give me information that I can use to make decisions on what adjustments to make.

[Skedaddle]

Skytrak measures spin and launch, so does the Flightscope xi, so does the mevo, so does vector pro. They are all less than $2k. The es14 does not measure.

 

I agree Mevo not likely to be as accurate as Trackman or gc2 but it will likely be fairly close and hence useful for most golfers seeking to improve

[games]

I emailed some specific questions and the person that emailed me back basically said to just wait until the information comes out on the website. I think they're tired of fielding emails about it.

 

Absolutely. These are inside salespeople that typically sell $10k+ units to professional clubfitters and teaching pros.

 

Now, they have to spend time talking with jabroni-hackers like me about a diddywaddle $500 toy (to them).

 

Again, when I spoke with AJ at Flightscope, he was really good about answering my questions...

[QMany]

I emailed some specific questions and the person that emailed me back basically said to just wait until the information comes out on the website. I think they're tired of fielding emails about it.

Absolutely. These are inside salespeople that typically sell $10k+ units to professional clubfitters and teaching pros.

 

Now, they have to spend time talking with jabroni-hackers like me about a diddywaddle $500 toy (to them).

They are now marketing a consumer model, so they might want to get better at fielding questions from consumers.

[goatbarn]

The es14 doesn't measure it estimates. See par2pro review on YouTube to see how far out the numbers are

 

Reading some of the posts, it looks like some people are looking for the measurements (rather than calculations) and accuracy that the $10,000 - $20,000 launch monitors offer, but want to pay $500. If your game is to the point that you need the accuracy of a Trackman, the Mevo is not going to be for you. If you are someone that would like to get some numbers while working on your game at the range, the Mevo will be worth looking at and comparing to the Ernest ES14.

 

Here are quotes from the GolfWRX review of the ES14 on what is measured and what is calculated.

 

"launch monitor that measures club head speed and ball speed. It also calculates spin rate, launch angle, carry and total distance."

 

"The ES14 has two Dopplers, one that faces forward to capture the ball flight, and one that faces rearward to capture the club head. The measured inputs are club head speed and ball speed, which present an accurate smash factor. The spin rate and launch angle, as well as carry and total distance, are calculations."

 

Also here is the link to the review where accuracy compared to a trackman was compared.

http://www.golfwrx.c...launch-monitor/

 

In a way all numbers from all launch monitors are calculated. They have to take the information from the Doppler or camera and interpret the data to calculate a value.

 

The difference is, their "calculation" is actually an estimation. The calculation that LMs like the big doppler radars do (re: spin, indoors/with stickers) is count revolutions of the ball that were MEASURED via reflection from metallic sticker. Huge difference.

 

Hell everything is a calculation, but they know they're misleading by saying such. GC2's measure the spin rate, but really there are a bunch of calculations based off the 6-10 pics it takes of the ball in the first couple feet of flight. That calculation vs the calculation you're talking about is completely different. That's why we say this measures this/that, and the other doesn't, when both are actually calculating.

 

Huge difference. The ES14 is just measuring (with calculations of course) CHS and BS, and estimating everything else. A LM like GC2 is measuring ball launch angle/speed, spin, spin axis, and azimuth (with calculations, again), and then estimating carry.

 

Only a long range radar unit like TM or FS would be able to say they're measuring carry, as they track the ball until it lands (or disappears from view), when used outdoors.

 

It's very sneaky marketing. The little guys all do it. It's up to the consumer to know something about the technology and know whats BS and what is truth.

 

There is a reason that some launch monitors are tens of thousands of dollars and others are hundreds of dollars. They use components that are more accurate and do more but cost a lot more. As I originally said, if your game is such that you need the accuracy of a Trackman, the Mevo and ES14 are not for you. But for someone like me (average golfer), the numbers are close enough to give me information that I can use to make decisions on what adjustments to make.

 

I agree/understand. Just making sure you/the public know what is true/BS about these ball speed/club speed monitors. Their claims to calculate things are not an apples to apples comparison to the actual launch monitors that still do some calculating with every metric, even the measured ones. It's important to know that it's not even the same in principle, let alone in accuracy of results.

[BamafaninKY]

I'm not claiming to be an expert, but I have a close friend who has a Ph.D. in mathematics. He says all of these calculations are "pretty basic".

 

So while we tend to think of launch monitors as providing complex calculations and algorithms to give us detail on golf shots, I'm not convinced any of it is all that complicated. That being said obviously a $500 machine is not going to be as good as a Trackman, but there's no reason is cannot be good at what it does.

[jcg132]

Just got an email, they are now accepting pre-orders.

[games]

Just got an email, they are now accepting pre-orders.

 

Just placed my pre-order. First time in my life, I am an "early adopter" of any kind of new tech. LOL!

[larciel]

pre ordered. screw CA tax. shipped to mailbox in NV.

[Goldenchang]

Does the Mevo normalize for limited flight range balls?

[larciel]

Bit of warning. Restocking fee sucks.

 

FlightScope MEVO Terms and Conditions

Important things to keep in mind when purchasing a FlightScope MEVO online:

• Shipping and handling is not included in the price.
  
• You have 14 calendar days to return the item from the date you received it in order to receive a refund.
  
• If you wish to return your item, a 10% restocking fee will apply.
  
• Please ensure that the item you're returning is repackaged with all the cords, adapters and documentation that were included when you received it. The item must be in like-new condition.
  

Refunds will not be issued should you fail to adhere to any of these terms and conditions.

Thank you for choosing FlightScope.

[games]

Bit of warning. Restocking fee sucks.

 

 

FlightScope MEVO Terms and Conditions

Important things to keep in mind when purchasing a FlightScope MEVO online:

• Shipping and handling is not included in the price.
  
• You have 14 calendar days to return the item from the date you received it in order to receive a refund.
  
• If you wish to return your item, a 10% restocking fee will apply.
  
• Please ensure that the item you're returning is repackaged with all the cords, adapters and documentation that were included when you received it. The item must be in like-new condition.
  

Refunds will not be issued should you fail to adhere to any of these terms and conditions.

Thank you for choosing FlightScope.

 

Hmm. I did not note or receive any type of conditions when I pre-ordered.

Further, your 10% fee appears to conflict with the "Sales Terms and Conditions" noted at this link at 2:20 pm on 2/7/17 central time.

http://flightscope.c...rms-conditions/

 

4. FlightScope Mevo Return Policy

FlightScope hardware may be returned for refund subject to a restocking fee within 3 calendar days from delivery date. No refunds will be processed after the 3 calendar day grace period. Customer must notify FlightScope within 3 days of the delivery date if you believe any part of your purchase is missing, wrong or damaged, to arrange for refund or exchange. All refunds are subject to a restocking fee of 15% of the purchase price. If a return is the result of an error by FlightScope the restocking fee will not apply. Products must be returned to FlightScope in their original packaging, and include all accessories, documentation and media that accompanied the delivery. Customer is responsible for risk of loss, shipping and handling fees for returning or exchanging a Product.

[somaplr]

Does the Mevo normalize for limited flight range balls?

 

no

[TM_HOYER]

Bit of warning. Restocking fee sucks.

 

 

FlightScope MEVO Terms and Conditions

Important things to keep in mind when purchasing a FlightScope MEVO online:

• Shipping and handling is not included in the price.
  
• You have 14 calendar days to return the item from the date you received it in order to receive a refund.
  
• If you wish to return your item, a 10% restocking fee will apply.
  
• Please ensure that the item you're returning is repackaged with all the cords, adapters and documentation that were included when you received it. The item must be in like-new condition.
  

Refunds will not be issued should you fail to adhere to any of these terms and conditions.

Thank you for choosing FlightScope.

 

Hmm. I did not note or receive any type of conditions when I pre-ordered.

Further, your 10% fee appears to conflict with the "Sales Terms and Conditions" noted at this link at 2:20 pm on 2/7/17 central time.

http://flightscope.c...rms-conditions/

 

4. FlightScope Mevo Return Policy

FlightScope hardware may be returned for refund subject to a restocking fee within 3 calendar days from delivery date. No refunds will be processed after the 3 calendar day grace period. Customer must notify FlightScope within 3 days of the delivery date if you believe any part of your purchase is missing, wrong or damaged, to arrange for refund or exchange. All refunds are subject to a restocking fee of 15% of the purchase price. If a return is the result of an error by FlightScope the restocking fee will not apply. Products must be returned to FlightScope in their original packaging, and include all accessories, documentation and media that accompanied the delivery. Customer is responsible for risk of loss, shipping and handling fees for returning or exchanging a Product.

 

 

Probably protecting itself from the "return the big TV after the Super Bowl" type people. Considering the price the higher end launch monitor costs, I can imagine there are some people that would buy one, use it to tune the settings on their driver, and return it.

[larciel]

check you email. it was in there.