Should Topic Title Be: Tiger Is Done, or Is Tiger Done?

[GeorgeHWB]

Tiger needs to retire now. There's no shame in that. His body has quit on him.

 

I'm going to get drunk tonight watching Tiger highlights from 1997-2008 and think about what was, and will never be again.

[ZMRied]

From what I have seen and read, today's withdrawal has moved a lot of people to think that Tiger is almost assuredly done. No one has confidence in him now. Today might really be the day where we can all say, "I knew then that the greatest golfer ever would never win again."'

 

"I knew then that the Second greatest golfer ever would never win again."'

[MJisGOAT]

deja vu

[Holy Moses]

From what I have seen and read, today's withdrawal has moved a lot of people to think that Tiger is almost assuredly done. No one has confidence in him now. Today might really be the day where we can all say, "I knew then that the greatest golfer ever would never win again."'

 

"I knew then that the Second greatest golfer ever would never win again."'

 

Jack is the greatest champion, Tiger is the greatest player

[spartan6910]

Here's a thought....when you have a history of back problems, maybe flying 18 hours to a tournament and then jumping right into it isn't such a great idea. I'm sure he had plenty of in$entive to play the DDO, but like dude come on you had to know that was going to be rough on your body. Stick to the states, or give yourself more time between tourneys if you're going to be a globetrotter.

 

FTR, I hope he "comes back" and asserts himself as a Tour caliber guy once again. I don't think he'll ever get back to the dominant player he was, but I'd like to see him in the hunt. Just leave Jack's record alone :D

[ZMRied]

From what I have seen and read, today's withdrawal has moved a lot of people to think that Tiger is almost assuredly done. No one has confidence in him now. Today might really be the day where we can all say, "I knew then that the greatest golfer ever would never win again."'

 

"I knew then that the Second greatest golfer ever would never win again."'

 

Jack is the greatest champion, Tiger is the greatest player

 

I'm just stirring the pot lol :rofl: , But in all seriousness, i completely agree with you.. this could really be the day.

[AmazinBlue]

From what I have seen and read, today's withdrawal has moved a lot of people to think that Tiger is almost assuredly done. No one has confidence in him now. Today might really be the day where we can all say, "I knew then that the greatest golfer ever would never win again."'

 

"I knew then that the Second greatest golfer ever would never win again."'

 

Jack is the greatest champion, Tiger is the greatest player

And Arnie was the greatest Ambassador the game has ever seen.

[tigers9iron]

From what I have seen and read, today's withdrawal has moved a lot of people to think that Tiger is almost assuredly done. No one has confidence in him now. Today might really be the day where we can all say, "I knew then that the greatest golfer ever would never win again."'

 

"I knew then that the Second greatest golfer ever would never win again."'

Jack didnt have the golf skillset Tiger had and he has admitted that. Jack also played in an era where there was hardly any media, completely under the radar and nowhere near even .01% the spotlight and pressure Tiger was/is under.

[ZMRied]

From what I have seen and read, today's withdrawal has moved a lot of people to think that Tiger is almost assuredly done. No one has confidence in him now. Today might really be the day where we can all say, "I knew then that the greatest golfer ever would never win again."'

 

"I knew then that the Second greatest golfer ever would never win again."'

Jack didnt have the golf skillset Tiger had and he has admitted that. Jack also played in an era where there was hardly any media, completely under the radar and nowhere near even .01% the spotlight and pressure Tiger was/is under.

 

Like i mentioned before, was just stirring the pot :rofl:

[adam667220]

I haven't made up my mind about his long term chances of anything, but if today really was a muscle spasm versus his previous nerve issues, I'm not going to hang my opinion on this one withdrawal. I get back spasms. They suck, and you definitely wouldn't continue a round with them, but they're fairly easily treatable and there's no "damage" to speak of that you have to recover from. Mental aspect that everyone has mentioned before is definitely the biggest issue right now.

[North Butte]

And he won 18 major championships, not 14.

[AmazinBlue]

The game doesn't 'need' Tiger any more. His accomplishments will stand the test of time. Like every great athlete in their sport, he needs to admit to himself that his competitive days are done and move on to his next career as a designer, announcer or whatever.

[Maximilian]

I can definitely see him playing another event or two, walk off the course mid round, have another couple of surgeries and attempt a new comeback in a year or two, only to repeat the whole thing over again another three or so times before finally retiring.

 

Or he just retires next week, I don't know, lol.

[farmer]

As I have posted earlier in this thread, it was a stupid decision on the part of Tiger and his people to schedule the Dubai event. Right now, I'm guessing that he is somewhere over the Atlantic reprising the 17 hour flight to get home. When he gets home, he's wiped out for a few days, has to try to get relief from the back spasms, and finally, try to get ready to play in LA.

[Oveezy]

Don't count a man out when he's down, count him out when he doesn't get back up. He has the heart of a fighter and he said he's here to fight. There's rust and a lot of expectations on him. Once he relaxes and starts playing like he can, he will compete. Obviously he will not be the Tiger he was in the 2000's, but if he plays at half the level of play he did at that time he will be better than most those guys on tour.

[Darin322]

He has a history of not telling the truth. "I feel great" often turns into WD's with him. By now, the onus is on him to prove to his fans that he really is healthy. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 10 times, shame on both of us.

[North Butte]

Toughness and fighting are admirable qualities I suppose. But at some point it becomes self destruction, doesn't it?

 

 

[cwglum]

The game doesn't 'need' Tiger any more. His accomplishments will stand the test of time. Like every great athlete in their sport, he needs to admit to himself that his competitive days are done and move on to his next career as a designer, announcer or whatever.

 

Agreed ... his best days are behind him, and physical struggles ahead of him. I think he's still under the impression that he can will himself out of any situation. His back is proving otherwise. It's like watching Domino's fall in slow motion. Everything is coming downhill at him but he's still standing and thinks he's okay, for the time being.

[Lefty_3Jack]

From what I have seen and read, today's withdrawal has moved a lot of people to think that Tiger is almost assuredly done. No one has confidence in him now. Today might really be the day where we can all say, "I knew then that the greatest golfer ever would never win again."'

 

"I knew then that the Second greatest golfer ever would never win again."'

Jack didnt have the golf skillset Tiger had and he has admitted that. Jack also played in an era where there was hardly any media, completely under the radar and nowhere near even .01% the spotlight and pressure Tiger was/is under.

19 second place finishes on top of the most majors against plenty of hall of famers. You can only judge people from what they had to work with at their time. Babe Ruth didn't play against black and hispanic players, Roger Maris played in more games than Babe Ruth, etc and so on...

[bscinstnct]

Don't count a man out when he's down, count him out when he doesn't get back up. He has the heart of a fighter and he said he's here to fight. There's rust and a lot of expectations on him. Once he relaxes and starts playing like he can, he will compete. Obviously he will not be the Tiger he was in the 2000's, but if he plays at half the level of play he did at that time he will be better than most those guys on tour.

 

Count is at 9

 

[Lefty_3Jack]

Don't count a man out when he's down, count him out when he doesn't get back up. He has the heart of a fighter and he said he's here to fight. There's rust and a lot of expectations on him. Once he relaxes and starts playing like he can, he will compete. Obviously he will not be the Tiger he was in the 2000's, but if he plays at half the level of play he did at that time he will be better than most those guys on tour.

To compete you cannot quit. To have the heart of a fighter, you have to fight. He fought thru a broken leg for days when he was good. Now he sees that 80 in play and his a** muscles don't warm up or his back is having spasms.

[Dpavs]

There have been so many is Tiger done, will he come back threads that it's silly already.

 

I really have to wonder if the much better question we should be asking is "Wouldn't the golf community, manufacturer's, and the media's time be better spent promoting and focusing on the future of golf instead of dwelling on it's past?"

[farmer]

I haven't made up my mind about his long term chances of anything, but if today really was a muscle spasm versus his previous nerve issues, I'm not going to hang my opinion on this one withdrawal. I get back spasms. They suck, and you definitely wouldn't continue a round with them, but they're fairly easily treatable and there's no "damage" to speak of that you have to recover from. Mental aspect that everyone has mentioned before is definitely the biggest issue right now.

You make some excellent points, but the joker in this deck is that no one, outside Tiger's inner circle, knows what kind of back injuries he sustained or what the surgeries involved. Dr.Schteeve made some informed guesses, but even as an MD, he is hampered by a lack of real information.

[JCA]

Questions we all have:

 

1. Is it really back spams? If just back spams, does that means that he could play at Riviera?

2. If he doesn't show up at Riviera, does that means is worse than back spams?

3. If he doesn't play at Riviera does that means that he was lying all week about his "non existent back pain" and "it's just back spams"? He looked terrible and stiff.

4. Since he looked completely different (body-back wise) from Hero to Torrey PInes and on to Dubai, was Taylor Made induced to sign a contract with a "supposedly healthy" Tiger on his way to a glorious comeback days before Torrey Pines? He didn't look well there too.

5. Is it all mental, just back or both?

6. Did he looked at how he was playing and the weather forecast of high winds for the next day and decided to withdraw? All of the sudden back spams due to weather?

7. Why on earth a person with a Gulfstream G550 fly commercial? Did he just wanted to fly in an Airbus A380 or just save money (about 250k)? Does he still have his G550?

8. Was the "back spams" caused by natural reasons or bad golf technique this week?

9. If he shows up at Riviera with a better swing, does that means he was practicing all this time and the Dubai WD was just "sudden spams"?

 

Maybe we'll never know or maybe we'll know in due time.

[gallas2]

And he won 18 major championships, not 14.

 

 

Plus 56 top fives in majors.............probably more than the number of dirty diapers Tiger has changed in his life. I say he's done............no wait........Steinberg said it was just spasms and not nerve damage.....................Chamblee just said he looks old..................

 

I'm more of a fan NOW that the narrative has changed from "Un-beatable" to "Come back kid". But that's just my personality -- always routed for the underdog. Hell I'm a Leaf's fan................so I can say for the first time in my life: Go Tiger!

[djmohab2]

Questions we all have:

 

1. Is it really back spams? If just back spams, does that means that he could play at Riviera?

2. If he doesn't show up at Riviera, does that means is worse than back spams?

3. If he doesn't play at Riviera does that means that he was lying all week about his "non existent back pain" and "it's just back spams"? He looked terrible and stiff.

4. Since he looked completely different (body-back wise) from Hero to Torrey PInes and on to Dubai, was Taylor Made induced to sign a contract with a "supposedly healthy" Tiger on his way to a glorious comeback days before Torrey Pines? He didn't look well there too.

5. Is it all mental, just back or both?

6. Did he looked at how he was playing and the weather forecast of high winds for the next day and decided to withdraw? All of the sudden back spams due to weather?

7. Why on earth a person with a Gulfstream G550 fly commercial? Did he just wanted to fly in an Airbus A380 or just save money (about 250k)? Does he still have his G550?

8. Was the "back spams" caused by natural reasons or bad golf technique this week?

9. If he shows up at Riviera with a better swing, does that means he was practicing all this time and the Dubai WD was just "sudden spams"?

 

Maybe we'll never know or maybe we'll know in due time.

 

7. His Gulfstream would have had to stop to re-fuel, where as the A380 was a non-stop flight.

[noahsparrow]

I really need tiger to get better I made bets with a lot of my friends that he is going to win a few more tournaments. Its not looking to good right now.

[spartan6910]

Questions we all have:

 

1. Is it really back spams? If just back spams, does that means that he could play at Riviera?

2. If he doesn't show up at Riviera, does that means is worse than back spams?

3. If he doesn't play at Riviera does that means that he was lying all week about his "non existent back pain" and "it's just back spams"? He looked terrible and stiff.

4. Since he looked completely different (body-back wise) from Hero to Torrey PInes and on to Dubai, was Taylor Made induced to sign a contract with a "supposedly healthy" Tiger on his way to a glorious comeback days before Torrey Pines? He didn't look well there too.

5. Is it all mental, just back or both?

6. Did he looked at how he was playing and the weather forecast of high winds for the next day and decided to withdraw? All of the sudden back spams due to weather?

7. Why on earth a person with a Gulfstream G550 fly commercial? Did he just wanted to fly in an Airbus A380 or just save money (about 250k)? Does he still have his G550?

8. Was the "back spams" caused by natural reasons or bad golf technique this week?

9. If he shows up at Riviera with a better swing, does that means he was practicing all this time and the Dubai WD was just "sudden spams"?

 

Maybe we'll never know or maybe we'll know in due time.

 

I post this hesitantly because I don't want this to get way off topic, but I read something that said 7 was due to the protests at LAX. Posted by Yahoo. Take it FWIW.

[Holy Moses]

How could protestors keep you from getting to your private jet?

[JCA]

Questions we all have:

 

1. Is it really back spams? If just back spams, does that means that he could play at Riviera?

2. If he doesn't show up at Riviera, does that means is worse than back spams?

3. If he doesn't play at Riviera does that means that he was lying all week about his "non existent back pain" and "it's just back spams"? He looked terrible and stiff.

4. Since he looked completely different (body-back wise) from Hero to Torrey PInes and on to Dubai, was Taylor Made induced to sign a contract with a "supposedly healthy" Tiger on his way to a glorious comeback days before Torrey Pines? He didn't look well there too.

5. Is it all mental, just back or both?

6. Did he looked at how he was playing and the weather forecast of high winds for the next day and decided to withdraw? All of the sudden back spams due to weather?

7. Why on earth a person with a Gulfstream G550 fly commercial? Did he just wanted to fly in an Airbus A380 or just save money (about 250k)? Does he still have his G550?

8. Was the "back spams" caused by natural reasons or bad golf technique this week?

9. If he shows up at Riviera with a better swing, does that means he was practicing all this time and the Dubai WD was just "sudden spams"?

 

Maybe we'll never know or maybe we'll know in due time.

 

7. His Gulfstream would have had to stop to re-fuel, where as the A380 was a non-stop flight.

 

That would have been on a Sunday night assuming he would have made the cut. But he didn't. it would have made more sense to fly home to Florida that night sleep in his own bed spend the next day relax and in physical therapy and then fly direct from Florida with no stops in his own jet (12 hours) 5 hours less to Dubai. I'm not buying the direct flight-non stop over in a commercial flight BS.