Tiger Woods: "No Timetable for my Return to Golf..."

[new2g0lf]

The question is: Is Tiger really injured again or is his level of play so poor that he's concerned about damaging his brand further. Either way, it doesn't bode well for him long term as his injured back and knees may never allow him to play golf at a competitive level he deems acceptable. I thought it was "unlucky" after he touted all the rounds he played pain free leading up to his return and he injured himself in his first tournament back while playing poorly.

 

Golf still needs Tiger, but a healthy, dominating Tiger, not a broken down, hacker who can't make a cut.

[lowheel]

The career was over long before the bad back. The Thanksgiving follies with wife Elin was the end. The public brawl, the mistresses ratting on him, his treatment for "sexual addiction", the embarrassment and loss of credibility is much more responsible than a physical impairment.

There is a certain justice in that--one any professional in any field certainly understands.

Like many of you, I wish it hadn't happened, Woods was wonderful to watch playing this difficult game. Unfortunately, Wood's personal game wasn't above par and that took him down.

He won't be back.

 

How could the scandal end Tiger's career when he won five times in '13 along with POY?

 

That season was great but it was smoke and mirrors. Quit on the swing change and was going more on instinct. He gutted out the Ws at familiar venues where hes won it the past which helped his confidence with savvy and grinding,but then again look at the majors that year he wasnt the same player. Nobody was worried about him and was routinely outplayed by his playing partners. Just look at his majors since the 09 PGA when Yang took him down and he finally didnt close out a 54 hole lead. It sent him to the woodshed to redo his swing. Game over right there and then. He blinked for some reason at Yang beating him instead of saying ok lets tweek a few things and give it another go at the 4 majors next year.

[lowheel]

The question is: Is Tiger really injured again or is his level of play so poor that he's concerned about damaging his brand further. Either way, it doesn't bode well for him long term as his injured back and knees may never allow him to play golf at a competitive level he deems acceptable. I thought it was "unlucky" after he touted all the rounds he played pain free leading up to his return and he injured himself in his first tournament back while playing poorly.

 

Golf still needs Tiger, but a healthy, dominating Tiger, not a broken down, hacker who can't make a cut.

 

Not really unless you're exclusively a Tiger fan not a golf fan. theres alot of those...

[new2g0lf]

The question is: Is Tiger really injured again or is his level of play so poor that he's concerned about damaging his brand further. Either way, it doesn't bode well for him long term as his injured back and knees may never allow him to play golf at a competitive level he deems acceptable. I thought it was "unlucky" after he touted all the rounds he played pain free leading up to his return and he injured himself in his first tournament back while playing poorly.

 

Golf still needs Tiger, but a healthy, dominating Tiger, not a broken down, hacker who can't make a cut.

 

Not really unless you're exclusively a Tiger fan not a golf fan. theres alot of those...

The ratings for the Masters on Sunday were pretty bad, might have been better if a DJ, Spieth, Phil or Day were in contention but still nothing compared to if Tiger was in contention. Tiger moves the needle.

[lowheel]

The question is: Is Tiger really injured again or is his level of play so poor that he's concerned about damaging his brand further. Either way, it doesn't bode well for him long term as his injured back and knees may never allow him to play golf at a competitive level he deems acceptable. I thought it was "unlucky" after he touted all the rounds he played pain free leading up to his return and he injured himself in his first tournament back while playing poorly.

 

Golf still needs Tiger, but a healthy, dominating Tiger, not a broken down, hacker who can't make a cut.

 

Not really unless you're exclusively a Tiger fan not a golf fan. theres alot of those...

The ratings for the Masters on Sunday were pretty bad, might have been better if a DJ, Spieth, Phil or Day were in contention but still nothing compared to if Tiger was in contention. Tiger moves the needle.

 

Who cares? it was an epic tourney and alot of people DVR these things now. Ratings globally were just fine. Tiger moving the needle doesnt matter one bit for golf. he also hasnt been in contention at the masters for over a decade, golf survived

[new2g0lf]

The question is: Is Tiger really injured again or is his level of play so poor that he's concerned about damaging his brand further. Either way, it doesn't bode well for him long term as his injured back and knees may never allow him to play golf at a competitive level he deems acceptable. I thought it was "unlucky" after he touted all the rounds he played pain free leading up to his return and he injured himself in his first tournament back while playing poorly.

 

Golf still needs Tiger, but a healthy, dominating Tiger, not a broken down, hacker who can't make a cut.

 

Not really unless you're exclusively a Tiger fan not a golf fan. theres alot of those...

The ratings for the Masters on Sunday were pretty bad, might have been better if a DJ, Spieth, Phil or Day were in contention but still nothing compared to if Tiger was in contention. Tiger moves the needle.

 

Who cares? it was an epic tourney

 

The PGA Tour cares, the networks care and professional golfers care. Without ratings, networks aren't going to pay as much for broadcast rights and golfers aren't going to play for the money they do today (which is mostly thanks to Tiger) Take a look at the prize money and coverage of the LPGA Tour.

 

It was a great tourney but golf won't survive as we know it today if just the hardcore fans watch it.

[lowheel]

The question is: Is Tiger really injured again or is his level of play so poor that he's concerned about damaging his brand further. Either way, it doesn't bode well for him long term as his injured back and knees may never allow him to play golf at a competitive level he deems acceptable. I thought it was "unlucky" after he touted all the rounds he played pain free leading up to his return and he injured himself in his first tournament back while playing poorly.

 

Golf still needs Tiger, but a healthy, dominating Tiger, not a broken down, hacker who can't make a cut.

 

Not really unless you're exclusively a Tiger fan not a golf fan. theres alot of those...

The ratings for the Masters on Sunday were pretty bad, might have been better if a DJ, Spieth, Phil or Day were in contention but still nothing compared to if Tiger was in contention. Tiger moves the needle.

 

Who cares? it was an epic tourney

 

The PGA Tour cares, the networks care and professional golfers care. Without ratings, networks aren't going to pay as much for broadcast rights and golfers aren't going to play for the money they do today (which is mostly thanks to Tiger) Take a look at the prize money and coverage of the LPGA Tour.

 

It was a great tourney but golf won't survive as we know it today if just the hardcore fans watch it.

 

Categorically false and debunked several times over. Tiger might have helped endorsement $ for individual golfers but purses were going up because of TV expansion regardless.Golf purses grew at the same rate as all other sports from 1990 to 2005 purses wont change after Tiger as they havent in the last 5 years of him doing pretty much nothing except for 1 year. The Pga tour is far more worried about global reach in china japan india etc.. Sorry to break it to you but golf and purses in this form will be around and will expand as it did after every great player fades. Just a fact of life, not a knock on Tiger.

[Shilgy]

The career was over long before the bad back. The Thanksgiving follies with wife Elin was the end. The public brawl, the mistresses ratting on him, his treatment for "sexual addiction", the embarrassment and loss of credibility is much more responsible than a physical impairment.

There is a certain justice in that--one any professional in any field certainly understands.

Like many of you, I wish it hadn't happened, Woods was wonderful to watch playing this difficult game. Unfortunately, Wood's personal game wasn't above par and that took him down.

He won't be back.

 

How could the scandal end Tiger's career when he won five times in '13 along with POY?

 

That season was great but it was smoke and mirrors. Quit on the swing change and was going more on instinct. He gutted out the Ws at familiar venues where hes won it the past which helped his confidence with savvy and grinding,but then again look at the majors that year he wasnt the same player. Nobody was worried about him and was routinely outplayed by his playing partners. Just look at his majors since the 09 PGA when Yang took him down and he finally didnt close out a 54 hole lead. It sent him to the woodshed to redo his swing. Game over right there and then. He blinked for some reason at Yang beating him instead of saying ok lets tweek a few things and give it another go at the 4 majors next year.

2013 4th at the Masters and just two back at the Open after rounds two and three. Finished t6 five back of Phil. You mean he wasn't the same player because he didn't win? Lol. He also won the Players where he often struggled. Oh, and regained #1 in the owgr.

But you're right. He's never been the same since injuries really started taking their toll.

Most players would be lauded fur winning with smoke and mirrors but with Woods it's somehow a negative to gut out wins.

[starsail85]

The career was over long before the bad back. The Thanksgiving follies with wife Elin was the end. The public brawl, the mistresses ratting on him, his treatment for "sexual addiction", the embarrassment and loss of credibility is much more responsible than a physical impairment.

There is a certain justice in that--one any professional in any field certainly understands.

Like many of you, I wish it hadn't happened, Woods was wonderful to watch playing this difficult game. Unfortunately, Wood's personal game wasn't above par and that took him down.

He won't be back.

 

How could the scandal end Tiger's career when he won five times in '13 along with POY?

 

That season was great but it was smoke and mirrors. Quit on the swing change and was going more on instinct. He gutted out the Ws at familiar venues where hes won it the past which helped his confidence with savvy and grinding,but then again look at the majors that year he wasnt the same player. Nobody was worried about him and was routinely outplayed by his playing partners. Just look at his majors since the 09 PGA when Yang took him down and he finally didnt close out a 54 hole lead. It sent him to the woodshed to redo his swing. Game over right there and then. He blinked for some reason at Yang beating him instead of saying ok lets tweek a few things and give it another go at the 4 majors next year.

 

Tiger hit it pretty well in 2013

 

Quit on the swing change? More like his swing changes started to become a dominant pattern

[Shilgy]

The career was over long before the bad back. The Thanksgiving follies with wife Elin was the end. The public brawl, the mistresses ratting on him, his treatment for "sexual addiction", the embarrassment and loss of credibility is much more responsible than a physical impairment.

There is a certain justice in that--one any professional in any field certainly understands.

Like many of you, I wish it hadn't happened, Woods was wonderful to watch playing this difficult game. Unfortunately, Wood's personal game wasn't above par and that took him down.

He won't be back.

 

How could the scandal end Tiger's career when he won five times in '13 along with POY?

 

That season was great but it was smoke and mirrors. Quit on the swing change and was going more on instinct. He gutted out the Ws at familiar venues where hes won it the past which helped his confidence with savvy and grinding,but then again look at the majors that year he wasnt the same player. Nobody was worried about him and was routinely outplayed by his playing partners. Just look at his majors since the 09 PGA when Yang took him down and he finally didnt close out a 54 hole lead. It sent him to the woodshed to redo his swing. Game over right there and then. He blinked for some reason at Yang beating him instead of saying ok lets tweek a few things and give it another go at the 4 majors next year.

 

Tiger hit it pretty well in 2013

 

Quit on the swing change? More like his swing changes started to become a dominant pattern

See, so he did quit thinking about the change! :)

[lowheel]

The career was over long before the bad back. The Thanksgiving follies with wife Elin was the end. The public brawl, the mistresses ratting on him, his treatment for "sexual addiction", the embarrassment and loss of credibility is much more responsible than a physical impairment.

There is a certain justice in that--one any professional in any field certainly understands.

Like many of you, I wish it hadn't happened, Woods was wonderful to watch playing this difficult game. Unfortunately, Wood's personal game wasn't above par and that took him down.

He won't be back.

 

How could the scandal end Tiger's career when he won five times in '13 along with POY?

 

That season was great but it was smoke and mirrors. Quit on the swing change and was going more on instinct. He gutted out the Ws at familiar venues where hes won it the past which helped his confidence with savvy and grinding,but then again look at the majors that year he wasnt the same player. Nobody was worried about him and was routinely outplayed by his playing partners. Just look at his majors since the 09 PGA when Yang took him down and he finally didnt close out a 54 hole lead. It sent him to the woodshed to redo his swing. Game over right there and then. He blinked for some reason at Yang beating him instead of saying ok lets tweek a few things and give it another go at the 4 majors next year.

2013 4th at the Masters and just two back at the Open after rounds two and three. Finished t6 five back of Phil. You mean he wasn't the same player because he didn't win? Lol. He also won the Players where he often struggled. Oh, and regained #1 in the owgr.

But you're right. He's never been the same since injuries really started taking their toll.

Most players would be lauded fur winning with smoke and mirrors but with Woods it's somehow a negative to gut out wins.

 

Never threatened and was an afterthought. Did you watch those tourneys or did you look at T4 and T6 and say he was right there because he wasnt. He backdoored a T4 at the masters after a shaky start in the final round. He was hitting shots under pressure that he never hit before, he actually folded. Watch the tape and look at his WTF reactions at some short missed putts and iron shots. Why not include his US open and PGA champ results? because T40s dont help your point. You misunderstood my admiration for his winning with gutsy grinding with what he had at venues where hes won a bunch with course management and veteran savvy ( except the players) but as for major tourney Tiger... he died in the summer of 2009 no doubt in my mind. Doubt crept in and has never left in my opinion

[lowheel]

The career was over long before the bad back. The Thanksgiving follies with wife Elin was the end. The public brawl, the mistresses ratting on him, his treatment for "sexual addiction", the embarrassment and loss of credibility is much more responsible than a physical impairment.

There is a certain justice in that--one any professional in any field certainly understands.

Like many of you, I wish it hadn't happened, Woods was wonderful to watch playing this difficult game. Unfortunately, Wood's personal game wasn't above par and that took him down.

He won't be back.

 

How could the scandal end Tiger's career when he won five times in '13 along with POY?

 

That season was great but it was smoke and mirrors. Quit on the swing change and was going more on instinct. He gutted out the Ws at familiar venues where hes won it the past which helped his confidence with savvy and grinding,but then again look at the majors that year he wasnt the same player. Nobody was worried about him and was routinely outplayed by his playing partners. Just look at his majors since the 09 PGA when Yang took him down and he finally didnt close out a 54 hole lead. It sent him to the woodshed to redo his swing. Game over right there and then. He blinked for some reason at Yang beating him instead of saying ok lets tweek a few things and give it another go at the 4 majors next year.

 

Tiger hit it pretty well in 2013

 

Quit on the swing change? More like his swing changes started to become a dominant pattern

 

Yes he did, he stood up taller a bit to avoid getting stuck and couldnt hit a draw to save his life which proves his greatness and fondness for certain courses and his gutsy results.There was friction with Foley at he end of that season regardless of the 5 wins. less than 12 months later poof by bye foley

[cdnglf]

The career was over long before the bad back. The Thanksgiving follies with wife Elin was the end. The public brawl, the mistresses ratting on him, his treatment for "sexual addiction", the embarrassment and loss of credibility is much more responsible than a physical impairment.

There is a certain justice in that--one any professional in any field certainly understands.

Like many of you, I wish it hadn't happened, Woods was wonderful to watch playing this difficult game. Unfortunately, Wood's personal game wasn't above par and that took him down.

He won't be back.

 

How could the scandal end Tiger's career when he won five times in '13 along with POY?

 

That season was great but it was smoke and mirrors. Quit on the swing change and was going more on instinct. He gutted out the Ws at familiar venues where hes won it the past which helped his confidence with savvy and grinding,but then again look at the majors that year he wasnt the same player. Nobody was worried about him and was routinely outplayed by his playing partners. Just look at his majors since the 09 PGA when Yang took him down and he finally didnt close out a 54 hole lead. It sent him to the woodshed to redo his swing. Game over right there and then. He blinked for some reason at Yang beating him instead of saying ok lets tweek a few things and give it another go at the 4 majors next year.

2013 4th at the Masters and just two back at the Open after rounds two and three. Finished t6 five back of Phil. You mean he wasn't the same player because he didn't win? Lol. He also won the Players where he often struggled. Oh, and regained #1 in the owgr.

But you're right. He's never been the same since injuries really started taking their toll.

Most players would be lauded fur winning with smoke and mirrors but with Woods it's somehow a negative to gut out wins.

 

2013 Tiger was a very good player with a lot of putting luck. Great year, but not the same guy as 2005-9.

[Shilgy]

The career was over long before the bad back. The Thanksgiving follies with wife Elin was the end. The public brawl, the mistresses ratting on him, his treatment for "sexual addiction", the embarrassment and loss of credibility is much more responsible than a physical impairment.

There is a certain justice in that--one any professional in any field certainly understands.

Like many of you, I wish it hadn't happened, Woods was wonderful to watch playing this difficult game. Unfortunately, Wood's personal game wasn't above par and that took him down.

He won't be back.

 

How could the scandal end Tiger's career when he won five times in '13 along with POY?

 

That season was great but it was smoke and mirrors. Quit on the swing change and was going more on instinct. He gutted out the Ws at familiar venues where hes won it the past which helped his confidence with savvy and grinding,but then again look at the majors that year he wasnt the same player. Nobody was worried about him and was routinely outplayed by his playing partners. Just look at his majors since the 09 PGA when Yang took him down and he finally didnt close out a 54 hole lead. It sent him to the woodshed to redo his swing. Game over right there and then. He blinked for some reason at Yang beating him instead of saying ok lets tweek a few things and give it another go at the 4 majors next year.

2013 4th at the Masters and just two back at the Open after rounds two and three. Finished t6 five back of Phil. You mean he wasn't the same player because he didn't win? Lol. He also won the Players where he often struggled. Oh, and regained #1 in the owgr.

But you're right. He's never been the same since injuries really started taking their toll.

Most players would be lauded fur winning with smoke and mirrors but with Woods it's somehow a negative to gut out wins.

 

Never threatened and was an afterthought. Did you watch those tourneys or did you look at T4 and T6 and say he was right there because he wasnt. He backdoored a T4 at the masters after a shaky start in the final round. He was hitting shots under pressure that he never hit before, he actually folded. Watch the tape and look at his WTF reactions at some short missed putts and iron shots. Why not include his US open and PGA champ results? because T40s dont help your point. You misunderstood my admiration for his winning with gutsy grinding with what he had at venues where hes won a bunch with course management and veteran savvy ( except the players) but as for major tourney Tiger... he died in the summer of 2009 no doubt in my mind. Doubt crept in and has never left in my opinion

You said he did not contend on the majors and I pointed out that he was just two strokes back at the Open after the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Is that not in contention? You did not seem to state, nor did I, that he contended in every major. Guess what, he was not a contender in every major before 2009 either. You believe it is all the fall of 2009. I believe it is mostly injuries. To each his own.

[lowheel]

Its cool by defintion matt kuchar was also a t4 this year at the masters without sniffing contention, thats what i meant. The british open that year was the same 2 shots back meant nothing, he never threatened. I didnt make the assumption that he contended in every major prior to that just stating that he wasnt the same feared player and theres a reason he hasnt won a major in 10 years and its not injures but we'll agree to disagree

[buckeyefl]

The question is: Is Tiger really injured again or is his level of play so poor that he's concerned about damaging his brand further. Either way, it doesn't bode well for him long term as his injured back and knees may never allow him to play golf at a competitive level he deems acceptable. I thought it was "unlucky" after he touted all the rounds he played pain free leading up to his return and he injured himself in his first tournament back while playing poorly.

 

Golf still needs Tiger, but a healthy, dominating Tiger, not a broken down, hacker who can't make a cut.

 

Not really unless you're exclusively a Tiger fan not a golf fan. theres alot of those...

The ratings for the Masters on Sunday were pretty bad, might have been better if a DJ, Spieth, Phil or Day were in contention but still nothing compared to if Tiger was in contention. Tiger moves the needle.

 

Who cares? it was an epic tourney and alot of people DVR these things now. Ratings globally were just fine. Tiger moving the needle doesnt matter one bit for golf. he also hasnt been in contention at the masters for over a decade, golf survived

Lol, lots of fail in there and youve made the same dumb comment several times. Its almost as if you actually believe what you are saying. It would be interesting to know how old you are if you truly believe what you keep spewing. Golf may mot "need" Tiger buts sure as hell is a lot healthier with him. But then why should we take the other pkayers, the industry and its owners points of view into consideration when the GOLFWRX brain trust has it figured out.

[buckeyefl]

The question is: Is Tiger really injured again or is his level of play so poor that he's concerned about damaging his brand further. Either way, it doesn't bode well for him long term as his injured back and knees may never allow him to play golf at a competitive level he deems acceptable. I thought it was "unlucky" after he touted all the rounds he played pain free leading up to his return and he injured himself in his first tournament back while playing poorly.

 

Golf still needs Tiger, but a healthy, dominating Tiger, not a broken down, hacker who can't make a cut.

 

Not really unless you're exclusively a Tiger fan not a golf fan. theres alot of those...

There are also a lot of delusional, factually incorrect haters.

[new2g0lf]

Categorically false and debunked several times over. Tiger might have helped endorsement $ for individual golfers but purses were going up because of TV expansion regardless.Golf purses grew at the same rate as all other sports from 1990 to 2005 purses wont change after Tiger as they havent in the last 5 years of him doing pretty much nothing except for 1 year. The Pga tour is far more worried about global reach in china japan india etc.. Sorry to break it to you but golf and purses in this form will be around and will expand as it did after every great player fades. Just a fact of life, not a knock on Tiger.

 

Jack and Phil have both stated publicly that Tiger was responsible for the increase in purses and popularity increase in golf. You're either a Tiger hater or in denial but Tiger made a lot of people who didn't like golf start to watch golf because of how dominating he was. My father couldn't name a golfer in the 90's but he knew who Tiger Woods was. Golf tournaments are about charity and marketing, as ratings continue to decline the motivation to spend millions on tournaments will wane, television contract values will decline and ultimately golf will suffer the downturn that tennis has unless another Tiger enters the game or Tiger can make a comeback.

[cdnglf]

Categorically false and debunked several times over. Tiger might have helped endorsement $ for individual golfers but purses were going up because of TV expansion regardless.Golf purses grew at the same rate as all other sports from 1990 to 2005 purses wont change after Tiger as they havent in the last 5 years of him doing pretty much nothing except for 1 year. The Pga tour is far more worried about global reach in china japan india etc.. Sorry to break it to you but golf and purses in this form will be around and will expand as it did after every great player fades. Just a fact of life, not a knock on Tiger.

 

Jack and Phil have both stated publicly that Tiger was responsible for the increase in purses and popularity increase in golf. You're either a Tiger hater or in denial but Tiger made a lot of people who didn't like golf start to watch golf because of how dominating he was. My father couldn't name a golfer in the 90's but he knew who Tiger Woods was. Golf tournaments are about charity and marketing, as ratings continue to decline the motivation to spend millions on tournaments will wane, television contract values will decline and ultimately golf will suffer the downturn that tennis has unless another Tiger enters the game or Tiger can make a comeback.

 

Purses continue to increase even though Tiger has been largely irrelevant this decade and completely irrelevant for going on four seasons now.

[buckeyefl]

http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2014/08/06/measuring-the-tiger-effect-doubling-of-tour-prize-money-billions-extra-into-players-pockets-060801/

 

http://www.golf.com/video/tiger-effect-how-will-early-pga-tour-season-be-impacted

 

http://www.golfdigest.com/story/golf_finchem_economic_growth/amp

 

Purses will of course continue to increase but you are overlooking the rate with through ignorance or choice. To suggest he doesn't have a huge effect is the talk of people completely unaware.

[Dave230]

Categorically false and debunked several times over. Tiger might have helped endorsement $ for individual golfers but purses were going up because of TV expansion regardless.Golf purses grew at the same rate as all other sports from 1990 to 2005 purses wont change after Tiger as they havent in the last 5 years of him doing pretty much nothing except for 1 year. The Pga tour is far more worried about global reach in china japan india etc.. Sorry to break it to you but golf and purses in this form will be around and will expand as it did after every great player fades. Just a fact of life, not a knock on Tiger.

 

Jack and Phil have both stated publicly that Tiger was responsible for the increase in purses and popularity increase in golf. You're either a Tiger hater or in denial but Tiger made a lot of people who didn't like golf start to watch golf because of how dominating he was. My father couldn't name a golfer in the 90's but he knew who Tiger Woods was. Golf tournaments are about charity and marketing, as ratings continue to decline the motivation to spend millions on tournaments will wane, television contract values will decline and ultimately golf will suffer the downturn that tennis has unless another Tiger enters the game or Tiger can make a comeback.

 

Purses continue to increase even though Tiger has been largely irrelevant this decade and completely irrelevant for going on four seasons now.

 

Yep, while Tiger did help boost the popularity of golf, I don't like the camp that says 'you're a millionaire because of Tiger' or 'you'd be nothing without Tiger'. They still won a lot of money in 1996 and that would have increased without Woods, no doubt about it. That's not counting the vacuum that Woods would have created, someone like Ernie Els might not have been beaten down by Tiger and having won 2-3 majors more by his early 30s, who knows? Could have got close to 10 majors, Phil the same.

 

The way some portray it, all these sponsors only would have put in the money because of one player and would have been ready to pull out at any point without him. But there's a $2m first prize for the US Open this year for which Tiger is doubtful.

 

'Golf will suffer the downturn that tennis has' - what downturn has tennis had? Pretty sure prize money has gone up. There are no great American players like Sampras and Agassi but I've never seen so many people talking about tennis as when Nadal played Federer at the Australian Open this year. Most would say it's a golden era.

[ray9898]

They still won a lot of money in 1996 and that would have increased without Woods

 

Huh? Many tournaments in '96 paid the winner less than $200k. Now the winner's share is as much as the total purse of many tournaments then.

[cdnglf]

http://www.sportingi...pockets-060801/

 

http://www.golf.com/...son-be-impacted

 

http://www.golfdiges...omic_growth/amp

 

Purses will of course continue to increase but you are overlooking the rate with through ignorance or choice. To suggest he doesn't have a huge effect is the talk of people completely unaware.

 

Every sport experienced huge growth during the last 25 years.

In 1994-5, the NBA salary cap was $16M. Today, its $94M. Is that due to the Tiger effect too?

[Dave230]

They still won a lot of money in 1996 and that would have increased without Woods

 

Huh? Many tournaments in '96 paid the winner less than $200k. Now the winner's share is as much as the total purse of many tournaments then.

 

Yes and that would have increased with or without him. You now gets 6 times as much money for winning Wimbledon as you did in 1996. The wage of a top football (soccer) player is at least six times what it would have been in 1996. The world transfer record in 1996 was £15m, it's now £90m. Yep that's 6 times what it was. I don't know American sports but I imagine increases were similar.

 

$200k for first place on the PGA Tour in 1996 x6 = $1.2 million today would make it in line with the rest of the sporting world.

[Ajit]

I've seen the numbers and purses have grown at a fairly constant rate for 60 years. There was no spike during the Tiger era.

[MMB1500]

The question is: Is Tiger really injured again or is his level of play so poor that he's concerned about damaging his brand further. Either way, it doesn't bode well for him long term as his injured back and knees may never allow him to play golf at a competitive level he deems acceptable. I thought it was "unlucky" after he touted all the rounds he played pain free leading up to his return and he injured himself in his first tournament back while playing poorly.

 

Golf still needs Tiger, but a healthy, dominating Tiger, not a broken down, hacker who can't make a cut.

 

Not really unless you're exclusively a Tiger fan not a golf fan. theres alot of those...

The ratings for the Masters on Sunday were pretty bad, might have been better if a DJ, Spieth, Phil or Day were in contention but still nothing compared to if Tiger was in contention. Tiger moves the needle.

 

Who cares? it was an epic tourney

 

It was a great tourney but golf won't survive as we know it today if just the hardcore fans watch it.

 

Yes it will. The hardcore you describe are actual golf fans. Plenty of them watched the Masters before 1997 and plenty will continue to do so in future.

 

The extra viewers tuning in during Woods' prime weren't golf fans, they were Tiger fans, as evidenced by the fact they no longer watch now their hero is not playing.

 

Golf was fine before Woods came along and it'll be fine now his career is over.

[JonnyKrasnodar]

They still won a lot of money in 1996 and that would have increased without Woods

 

Huh? Many tournaments in '96 paid the winner less than $200k. Now the winner's share is as much as the total purse of many tournaments then.

 

Yes and that would have increased with or without him. You now gets 6 times as much money for winning Wimbledon as you did in 1996. The wage of a top football (soccer) player is at least six times what it would have been in 1996. The world transfer record in 1996 was £15m, it's now £90m. Yep that's 6 times what it was. I don't know American sports but I imagine increases were similar.

 

$200k for first place on the PGA Tour in 1996 x6 = $1.2 million today would make it in line with the rest of the sporting world.

 

Great post. Logic and common sense in one place. Brilliant.

 

The only thing that i could see might have changed without tiger is the big contracts with one OEM. I'd imagine there would have been more players playing multiple brands.

[bscinstnct]

Masters ratings down substantially; final round viewership lowest in more than a decade

 

http://awfulannounci...t-dec""ade.html

 

"most of the least watched Masters rounds we’ve seen in recent years have come in years when Tiger wasn’t playing. "

[cdnglf]

Masters ratings down substantially; final round viewership lowest in more than a decade

 

http://awfulannounci...t-dec""ade.html

 

"most of the least watched Masters rounds we’ve seen in recent years have come in years when Tiger wasn’t playing. "

 

 

From the source article:

 

"Final round coverage of The Masters earned a 7.6 overnight rating on CBS Sunday afternoon, down 11% from last year (8.5), down 21% from 2015 (9.6), and the lowest since 2004 (7.3)."

 

Tiger didn't play last year either and was so irrelevant in 2015 that even bsc didn't wear his Tiger PJ's for the final round.

 

 

"Beyond the absence of Tiger Woods, a major factor this weekend was an unusual dip in households using televisions. HUT levels were down 10% on Saturday and 9% on Sunday."

[JonnyKrasnodar]

Tiger slippers too haha.

 

Yeah obviously ratings being down are nothing to do with DVR and everything to do with someone 4 years removed from competing seriously on a regular basis. #fanboizlogic