Tiger Woods: "No Timetable for my Return to Golf..."

[nbg352]

Different ways to look at it. I'm glad you had your experience with your back. I obviously don't know Tiger, but honestly if having a working knowledge of any athletes inner circle is going to be our only prerequisite to speak or offer an opinion then it's probably going to be a pretty small group. He has a bad back, hopped on a plane for 18 hours and has been hurt since landing (or probably before that). He also has shown a propensity to get injured trying to become a better athlete, and I am of the opinion that he would have won just as many majors (and maybe more) if he would have tried to keep his body type closer to what his younger days showed than the older bulked up version. I'm sure you opinion may differ, which of course is your right. Good day, and thanks for offering a different viewpoint.

 

Tiger almost immediately went back to the tight shirts and the buff look that his ego wants as soon as his back felt decent. You could literally see the difference in his appearance throughout the winter and early spring. As someone who has had back surgery you are not going to pump the same amount of iron or feel as explosive...ever...unless you want to use PED's...HGH...and even then??? Guy needs to decide if he wants to be a golfer or wear tight shirts and act like he's some kind of elite physical specimen. His actions seem to show he would rather cash checks and look a certain way. If so that's a pity in my book.

Wardell, I had back surgery in 1984 after a long struggle with pain. After recovery I went full bore into heavy weights and I kept at it for about 15 years. During that time, I had very few episodes of back pain. In season, I played golf 4 times a week and again, little in the way of back pain.

I guess that what I'm really trying to say is that your statement is wrong. You can pump whatever you want, as often as you want and your back gets better right along with every other part of the body. Your experience may differ but it doesn`t mean that you are the norm, that everyone with a crappy back loses the ability to train with heavy weights.

The PED statement is not worthy of comment and because I don`t know Woods as well as you seem to, I`m not going to guess at what his reasons may be for doing what Tiger does. I really don`t know. It`s none of my business.

Opinions expressed as fact are no longer opinions. they are meant to persuade the reader that a truth was expressed. It's unfortunate that the news media has conditioned us to think that if an opinion is spoken often enough by enough people, that that opinion is a fact.When all it really is, is poisonous opinion.

[RBImGuy]

Elite athletes are usually the last to accept when they can't do it anymore.

 

did happen to our lady Carolina clyft when she got tired of her sport.

she then tried to go with long jump with no go and our recent world record holder on 60m hurdles indoors as her injury never was healed to get her back to the best again and she tried for years.

Looking at Tiger in dubai, he looked as an old man does with pain as his lower back is crap.

no power. Como another one not understanding what to do.

Tiger is gone.

 

He still sells its why everyone talks about him, not jason day or some other random pga tour guy.

[Frankensteins Monster]

What's laughable, still, is the fact that people think someone would need PED, HGH, steroids, whatever, to get to what Tiger looks like. Tiger looks nothing more than a guy who works out regularly. If you think something about his size is not normal, you don't workout, you workout half assed or you suck at working out. Anybody that is consistent in weight training can reach what Tiger is in a matter of months. Another word of education for those above, the more years you workout, the easier it is to put on muscle that is lost from injury, time off, or whatever. If I take a six month break from weight training, it'll take me about a month to put on the muscle I lost. I sure as hell don't move the weight I moved when I was younger. That comes from years of dedication. Muscle comes back faster with less weight needing to be moved if you don't suck in the gym.

[chippa13]

It is not just the fact that Tiger put on muscle, it is the fact that he quickly put on muscle and suffered breakdowns in his body not long after. That is generally a sign that enhancements were used. Witness the Nomar effect and the number of other pro ball players who suddenly beefed up only to fall apart shortly thereafter.

[ryuartz]

I wonder why he does not workout his chest.

[Shilgy]

It is not just the fact that Tiger put on muscle, it is the fact that he quickly put on muscle and suffered breakdowns in his body not long after. That is generally a sign that enhancements were used. Witness the Nomar effect and the number of other pro ball players who suddenly beefed up only to fall apart shortly thereafter.

When exactly do some of you get the idea Tiger ever got big? Googled images using -- Tiger Woods 2000 -- Tiger Woods 2003 etc. The below pic is from 2008.

Heck Google images of Sam Stosur and you will see a women's tennis player that is buffer than Tiger. Or is it just in the heat of competition when the blood is pumping that they look bigger?

[farmer]

Tiger has been poorly served by his group of advisers by maintaining the Kremlinesque model of openness and honesty that surrounds him. Whatever happened to his back, whatever was done to fix his back, Tiger would have been better advised just to announce "Here's what happened, here's what we did, here's the prognosis." rather than leaving the press and fans scrambling for scraps. It's none of our business, but when you make huge money as a brand, you need to accept public interest, particularly when it's mostly positive.

[Shilgy]

Tiger has been poorly served by his group of advisers by maintaining the Kremlinesque model of openness and honesty that surrounds him. Whatever happened to his back, whatever was done to fix his back, Tiger would have been better advised just to announce "Here's what happened, here's what we did, here's the prognosis." rather than leaving the press and fans scrambling for scraps. It's none of our business, but when you make huge money as a brand, you need to accept public interest, particularly when it's mostly positive.

[chippa13]

 

Yeah, no added beef there. Come on now.

[Shilgy]

 

 

Yeah, no added beef there. Come on now.

What year is that from? You said he put it on "quickly". Getting to that size in 8 years is not quickly. Especially when it is from early 20's to age 30.

[chippa13]

Its not a lie if you believe it.

[Shilgy]

Its not a lie if you believe it.

Huh? If I tell you some player injects donkey dung and can get you to believe it it's no longer a lie? Is that how internet rumors become fact?

[bscinstnct]

It is not just the fact that Tiger put on muscle, it is the fact that he quickly put on muscle and suffered breakdowns in his body not long after. That is generally a sign that enhancements were used. Witness the Nomar effect and the number of other pro ball players who suddenly beefed up only to fall apart shortly thereafter.

 

Quickly?

 

2000

 

 

2002

 

 

2004

 

 

 

2006

 

[jmck]

Man those shirts from '04 are TURRIBLE.

[Leroysettle]

In terms of lifting Tiger was never big and I would also say he probably wasn't that strong either. The bar was so low in golf just working out back in the early 2000's would have you stand out. As far as taking PED's I don't believe it- he just looked like a guy that worked out a little. If you want to see PED usage look at the NFL- those guys are monsters. I do believe that Adderall or beta blockers have/are used on the PGA tour. Testosterone or HGH not so much. They aren't working out to be real strong so would make no sense in using those drugs. And its another false statement that utilizing testosterone or HGH makes your body "break down".

[Frankensteins Monster]

 

Yeah, no added beef there. Come on now.

Its not a lie if you believe it.

 

If you're not making that progress you suck in the gym, you're quarter assing it or you don't even work out.

[nbg352]

Its not a lie if you believe it.

Thank you CNN

[Frankensteins Monster]

In terms of lifting Tiger was never big and I would also say he probably wasn't that strong either. The bar was so low in golf just working out back in the early 2000's would have you stand out. As far as taking PED's I don't believe it- he just looked like a guy that worked out a little. If you want to see PED usage look at the NFL- those guys are monsters. I do believe that Adderall or beta blockers have/are used on the PGA tour. Testosterone or HGH not so much. They aren't working out to be real strong so would make no sense in using those drugs. And its another false statement that utilizing testosterone or HGH makes your body "break down".

 

Tiger may, or may have not, taken PEDs. Regardless if he did, or not, they're not needed to reach the average size that Tiger was/is. There are also a ton of different PED's and used for different situations, see Lance Armstrong.

[chippa13]

Nomar didn't get "huge" either. That said, there was an obvious change in body shape. Saying it isn't there is living with blinders on. Also, there is a big difference between working out for maintenance purposes and working out for growth purposes.

[Frankensteins Monster]

Nomar didn't get "huge" either. That said, there was an obvious change in body shape. Saying it isn't there is living with blinders on. Also, there is a big difference between working out for maintenance purposes and working out for growth purposes.

 

Saying what isn't there?

[bscinstnct]

Nomar didn't get "huge" either. That said, there was an obvious change in body shape. Saying it isn't there is living with blinders on. Also, there is a big difference between working out for maintenance purposes and working out for growth purposes.

 

If an "obvious change in body shape" is your benchmark for using PEDs then I can only imagine what you think of this,

 

 

[jmck]

I sussed out another one!

 

 

In all seriousness though, this "change in body shape" nonsense is totally missing two points. One, PEDs don't necessarily result in a "change in body shape." They're plenty useful for things that don't result in a "change in body shape." And two, it ain't Rory or the Duff Man who has a documented relationship with noted PED felon Anthony Galea.

[disco111]

Nomar didn't get "huge" either. That said, there was an obvious change in body shape. Saying it isn't there is living with blinders on. Also, there is a big difference between working out for maintenance purposes and working out for growth purposes.

 

If an "obvious change in body shape" is your benchmark for using PEDs then I can only imagine what you think of this,

 

 

Ah!....yes I see the difference(s) #1- shirt color / #2 hair / #3 hat / #4 different clubs..................What?......this is not one of those finds the differences puzzles?,,,,,,,,Nevermind :sorry:

[bscinstnct]

I sussed out another one!

 

 

In all seriousness though, this "change in body shape" nonsense is totally missing two points. One, PEDs don't necessarily result in a "change in body shape." They're plenty useful for things that don't result in a "change in body shape." And two, it ain't Rory or the Duff Man who has a documented relationship with noted PED felon Anthony Galea.

 

 

 

The same guy who would seem to have every reason to rat out TW when he cut a deal with the Feds, right?

 

 

 

 

"The lawyer for the former assistant to the Canadian doctor who treated Tiger Woods said the golfer never received performance-enhancing drugs as a patient."

 

"Most of the U.S. charges were dismissed as part of Galea's plea, and he agreed to cooperate with investigators and disclose the identities of his patients and their treatments."

 

 

http://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/6760484/tiger-woods-use-peds-patient-says-lawyer-anthony-galea-assistant

[tbowles411]

I sussed out another one!

 

 

In all seriousness though, this "change in body shape" nonsense is totally missing two points. One, PEDs don't necessarily result in a "change in body shape." They're plenty useful for things that don't result in a "change in body shape." And two, it ain't Rory or the Duff Man who has a documented relationship with noted PED felon Anthony Galea.

 

 

 

The same guy who would seem to have every reason to rat out TW when he cut a deal with the Feds, right?

 

 

 

 

"The lawyer for the former assistant to the Canadian doctor who treated Tiger Woods said the golfer never received performance-enhancing drugs as a patient."

 

"Most of the U.S. charges were dismissed as part of Galea's plea, and he agreed to cooperate with investigators and disclose the identities of his patients and their treatments."

 

 

http://www.espn.com/...galea-assistant

But facts aren't important when you're trying to make a point. However faulty...

[Frankensteins Monster]

I sussed out another one!

 

 

In all seriousness though, this "change in body shape" nonsense is totally missing two points. One, PEDs don't necessarily result in a "change in body shape." They're plenty useful for things that don't result in a "change in body shape." And two, it ain't Rory or the Duff Man who has a documented relationship with noted PED felon Anthony Galea.

 

 

 

The same guy who would seem to have every reason to rat out TW when he cut a deal with the Feds, right?

 

 

 

 

"The lawyer for the former assistant to the Canadian doctor who treated Tiger Woods said the golfer never received performance-enhancing drugs as a patient."

 

"Most of the U.S. charges were dismissed as part of Galea's plea, and he agreed to cooperate with investigators and disclose the identities of his patients and their treatments."

 

 

http://www.espn.com/...galea-assistant

But facts aren't important when you're trying to make a point. However faulty...

I have the best facts. Believe me.

[jmck]

Meh. Believe what you want. Take Frankie for instance. He believes that TW never dabbled in PEDs strictly because TW didn't end up looking like the Invincible Hulk. He really and truly believes that as a "fact."

 

Personally I look at someone like Galea and think he has more motivation to not rat out someone like Tiger (i.e., $$$$$$$$) than he does to cooperate fully with the Feds (i.e., he's a Canadian citizen, not US). Also let's not forget that at the time the Feds were putting the squeeze on Galea they were totally obsessed with nailing Lance Armstrong. The Feds let everyone connected to Galea short of Armstrong--ARod, Jose Reyes, Beltran, anonymous "golfers" plural, olympians, etc etc etc--slide. Might have had something to do with all of the USPS money Armstrong had received over the years.

 

The idea that there are easily knowable "facts" here is crazy talk, whichever side you're on. Whatever you want to believe the best any of us can do is speculate. Next thing you know we'll hear from someone who says it's a FACT that TW never got suspended from the PGA Tour for drug use, ergo it's a FACT he never used drugs.

[bscinstnct]

I sussed out another one!

 

 

In all seriousness though, this "change in body shape" nonsense is totally missing two points. One, PEDs don't necessarily result in a "change in body shape." They're plenty useful for things that don't result in a "change in body shape." And two, it ain't Rory or the Duff Man who has a documented relationship with noted PED felon Anthony Galea.

 

 

 

The same guy who would seem to have every reason to rat out TW when he cut a deal with the Feds, right?

 

 

 

 

"The lawyer for the former assistant to the Canadian doctor who treated Tiger Woods said the golfer never received performance-enhancing drugs as a patient."

 

"Most of the U.S. charges were dismissed as part of Galea's plea, and he agreed to cooperate with investigators and disclose the identities of his patients and their treatments."

 

 

http://www.espn.com/...galea-assistant

But facts aren't important when you're trying to make a point. However faulty...

 

They have "alternative facts" ; )

[tbowles411]

 

But facts aren't important when you're trying to make a point. However faulty...

I have the best facts. Believe me.

That made me LOL! :)

[jmck]

Come on gents. Let's hear some facts.

 

What are you going to lead with? That an attorney for Galea's assistant told ESPN that Galea never treated TW with PEDs?

 

That's the fact on which you're going to hang your 'no way TW ever dabbled in PEDs' defense?