Tiger Woods: "No Timetable for my Return to Golf..."

[williamsnrb]

Tiger's health and chances of beating Jack's major record has taken a backseat to his ego and bank account. Why did he try to come back early before he was fully healed so many times? His ego. Why did he sign with TaylorMade even though he didn't like any of their irons enough to play a current model? They paid the most. Why did Tiger schedule so many tournaments early on in the season? Because he under a minimum tournament contract and he tried to get a bunch of them out of the way. Why did he fly to Dubai when his back has been iffy? He wanted to get paid. Why was he lifting heavily when his back was barely holding up? Because he wants to be the longest and strongest on Tour still.

 

Tiger's ego made him what he was up until a few years ago, but now it's killing his career. His back would have been bad either way, but his choices lately aren't helping things out.

 

Hind sight is 20/20.

 

I have been sick all week, tried to go back to work today. Lasted about 2 hours. Was it my ego that made me go back? No, I wanted to get stuff done, and I thought I felt pretty good. I was wrong.

 

If there was some manual on how to come back I am sure Tiger would follow it. But as there is no manual, he is making it up as he goes along.

 

Your illness and tigers 47 million back surgeries, your work done for a company, his ability to (probably) buy that company,.... I mean, there are endless reasons why that analogy isn't very good. Moses makes several good points, primarily in my mind is the early season schedule he tried to put himself through was easily identifiable as a risky course of action.

 

I own the company - but if Tiger would like to make an offer I am all ears.

Well, there's a trump card...

I understand your point. There's no telling Tiger how to/if he should return. The same drive that led him to so much success may be detrimental to his future.

[CasualLie]

I am a Tiger fan, but he is finished. Too many injuries, too many operations. His competitive edge is gone, and the only reason to play any tournament is to keep his endorsements.

 

He is the greatest golfer I have seen in the modern era, but his time has come and gone.

 

Best post in this thread.

 

TW is done; lot more golf to see elsewhere.

 

Tiger has access to the best Doctors on the planet, and look at what we have. Nothing is going to turn it around. Even if by some miracle he was fully healthy (whatever that means) to swing away; he's mentally finished. Yes, it is true, the guy who once was a mental giant, unbeatable, is now fragile. Once that confidence goes it is pretty damn hard to get it back; and while trying, time marches on, new injury to find.

 

There just isn't any realistic scenario under which we see TW win again.

[playa]

Tiger's health and chances of beating Jack's major record has taken a backseat to his ego and bank account. Why did he try to come back early before he was fully healed so many times? His ego. Why did he sign with TaylorMade even though he didn't like any of their irons enough to play a current model? They paid the most. Why did Tiger schedule so many tournaments early on in the season? Because he under a minimum tournament contract and he tried to get a bunch of them out of the way. Why did he fly to Dubai when his back has been iffy? He wanted to get paid. Why was he lifting heavily when his back was barely holding up? Because he wants to be the longest and strongest on Tour still.

 

Tiger's ego made him what he was up until a few years ago, but now it's killing his career. His back would have been bad either way, but his choices lately aren't helping things out.

 

Story of most faded stars. Ali and Tyson were similar.

Ali played it very smart later in his career. He didn't let his ego make him go after young hungry dangerous fighters (he avoided Foreman and Holmes). He was happy to pad his bank account defending his title against stiffs like Bugner and others whose names I can't even remember. Tyson came back purely for money imo. Pride may make a fading champion take one fight too many, but ego is something most boxers lose early in their careers, after being sat on their backsides a few times. Floyd is the exception but he has an unbeaten record and surrounds himself with people who tell him how great he is.

[Hankshank]

I am a Tiger fan, but he is finished. Too many injuries, too many operations. His competitive edge is gone, and the only reason to play any tournament is to keep his endorsements.

 

He is the greatest golfer I have seen in the modern era, but his time has come and gone.

 

Best post in this thread.

 

TW is done; lot more golf to see elsewhere.

 

Tiger has access to the best Doctors on the planet, and look at what we have. Nothing is going to turn it around. Even if by some miracle he was fully healthy (whatever that means) to swing away; he's mentally finished. Yes, it is true, the guy who once was a mental giant, unbeatable, is now fragile. Once that confidence goes it is pretty damn hard to get it back; and while trying, time marches on, new injury to find.

 

There just isn't any realistic scenario under which we see TW win again.

Are you a surgeon? I'm not but I have friends who are. Maybe they can say but not me our you. Unless, then, if you are a surgeon. What I can say is that it is not entirely up to the surgeon to decide what to do, the patient will have to chose. And when Tiger went for the "quick fix" surgery a few years ago, Peter Hanson who according to him had the same injury as Tiger at the time was recommended not to take the surery but to wait it out. Peter has been playing for quite a while now.

 

But It's not up to laymen to say anything about what is broken or not. If it's permanent, it is, and we will hear about it. And as for the mental part, do you for a second think that, given that his back problems after all goes away, Tiger's mental game is weaker than anyone elses?

[dciccoritti]

I am a Tiger fan, but he is finished. Too many injuries, too many operations. His competitive edge is gone, and the only reason to play any tournament is to keep his endorsements.

 

He is the greatest golfer I have seen in the modern era, but his time has come and gone.

 

Best post in this thread.

 

TW is done; lot more golf to see elsewhere.

 

Tiger has access to the best Doctors on the planet, and look at what we have. Nothing is going to turn it around. Even if by some miracle he was fully healthy (whatever that means) to swing away; he's mentally finished. Yes, it is true, the guy who once was a mental giant, unbeatable, is now fragile. Once that confidence goes it is pretty damn hard to get it back; and while trying, time marches on, new injury to find.

 

There just isn't any realistic scenario under which we see TW win again.

 

What makes you say that? I'm genuinely curious.

[RiskyBusiness]

I am a Tiger fan, but he is finished. Too many injuries, too many operations. His competitive edge is gone, and the only reason to play any tournament is to keep his endorsements.

 

He is the greatest golfer I have seen in the modern era, but his time has come and gone.

 

Best post in this thread.

 

TW is done; lot more golf to see elsewhere.

 

Tiger has access to the best Doctors on the planet, and look at what we have. Nothing is going to turn it around. Even if by some miracle he was fully healthy (whatever that means) to swing away; he's mentally finished. Yes, it is true, the guy who once was a mental giant, unbeatable, is now fragile. Once that confidence goes it is pretty damn hard to get it back; and while trying, time marches on, new injury to find.

 

There just isn't any realistic scenario under which we see TW win again.

Greatness comes from within and no one knows what is inside the mind and heart of another man.

[CasualLie]

I am a Tiger fan, but he is finished. Too many injuries, too many operations. His competitive edge is gone, and the only reason to play any tournament is to keep his endorsements.

 

He is the greatest golfer I have seen in the modern era, but his time has come and gone.

 

Best post in this thread.

 

TW is done; lot more golf to see elsewhere.

 

Tiger has access to the best Doctors on the planet, and look at what we have. Nothing is going to turn it around. Even if by some miracle he was fully healthy (whatever that means) to swing away; he's mentally finished. Yes, it is true, the guy who once was a mental giant, unbeatable, is now fragile. Once that confidence goes it is pretty damn hard to get it back; and while trying, time marches on, new injury to find.

 

There just isn't any realistic scenario under which we see TW win again.

 

What makes you say that? I'm genuinely curious.

 

Because whenever he can actually tee it up, the thought process is completely different, and it is a lot of demons swimming in there. No, I am not him, so yes I don't really know. I hope I am dead wrong. But we have seen this movie before a hundred times in many sports. It's much worse in golf. How can anyone imagine TW being at a place where he can swing any way he wants so mentally all he is thinking is ball / target? He was already "shaky" when the small injuries started happening and once it became a back issue there is now a ton of uncertainty. He needs a swing he can 100% rely on so he can actually play golf, not compensate with weird moves. How will that happen? He still has yet to be in a position to think of the right swing coach let alone go through the long process of swing change.

 

I get it that he had superhuman accomplishments in the past, it was fun to watch. But he is not superhuman anymore.

 

And as far as being a surgeon, of course I am not. I have zero information on what is really going on physically or how he decided to deal with it; just like everyone else. But he does have access to the best information and best care than anyone. So my point was, if it is not getting better by now, how is this comeback supposed to happen??? Maybe he was stubborn in his recovery as well and did his own thing; that just further cements the point that physical aside; mentally he is not ready for winning tournaments, will not ever sniff a major. Cut line is looking like a major win if that ever becomes reality.

 

Moving on...

[Cool Hand Luke]

I am a Tiger fan, but he is finished. Too many injuries, too many operations. His competitive edge is gone, and the only reason to play any tournament is to keep his endorsements.

 

He is the greatest golfer I have seen in the modern era, but his time has come and gone.

 

Best post in this thread.

 

TW is done; lot more golf to see elsewhere.

 

Tiger has access to the best Doctors on the planet, and look at what we have. Nothing is going to turn it around. Even if by some miracle he was fully healthy (whatever that means) to swing away; he's mentally finished. Yes, it is true, the guy who once was a mental giant, unbeatable, is now fragile. Once that confidence goes it is pretty damn hard to get it back; and while trying, time marches on, new injury to find.

 

There just isn't any realistic scenario under which we see TW win again.

Greatness comes from within and no one knows what is inside the mind and heart of another man.

 

Greatness comes from hard work...

The reason he was the best in the world for a decade plus was not just god-given talent, it was because he put the time in. he had such a mental edge because he knew he had outworked everyone and winning breeds winning. You don't just wake up in the morning and decide to be great again... gotta put in the work. But who knows, maybe he's grinding out 10 hr days in his back yard as we speak

[Corey H.]

Tiger absolutely kill the ball in his prime!!! If he was winning with an Charles Barkley swing we all would be emulating it. He just has to get his confidence back and then his back won't hurt as much. That's what I see. We are looking at a man at his lowest point in life on the golf course. I think it more of his pride, than his injuries. The injuries cover up what he is doing on the golf course.

[Shilgy]

Tiger absolutely kill the ball in his prime!!! If he was winning with an Charles Barkley swing we all would be emulating it. He just has to get his confidence back and then his back won't hurt as much. That's what I see. We are looking at a man at his lowest point in life on the golf course. I think it more of his pride, than his injuries. The injuries cover up what he is doing on the golf course.

More likely imo that the last sentence should read that "the injuries cause what he is now doing on the course" but to each his own.

[Corey H.]

Thanks shilgy

[Sniperman]

tiger fans and haters all need a little minion reminder ...

 

 

[hdr_ric]

What annoys me is the constant lying about his condition. He says to everyone he is now pain free and feeling good then pulls out.Then says its just back spasms wish should result in one week off but now appears like he may not play again this season. Again!

 

If he just said that ''my back is iffy and I have tried to come back and it didn't work out so now I will rest for now and will try again in the near future and hope it goes better.'' That would be understandable.

 

But all this ''I am pain free for the first time in years, I feel good etc'' Why lie?? Its really annoying that he has said on a few different occasions that he is now injury free and then pulls out. Just stop lying!

 

I think he is only playing to maintain a commercial profile and as other say to keep his brand name out there (for now).

 

To me I think he knows his game is awful and so just cites injuries to avoid admitting he is just plain playing crap. Then takes time off to try to sort himself out. I think he is afraid of embarassing himself. Thats why he wont come back.

 

"Alternate Facts", not lies. Tiger is taking lessons from Spicer and Kellyanne....

 

:)

[playa]

I don't know where tiger is at physically or mentally as he keeps things close to his chest, but I bet if he was honest he would say he regrets ever getting involved with Foley. Not sayng that Foley is all to blame as there might be other reasons for his back injuries amd losing his game, but he sure didn't help.

[stinger_gc]

He'll be better when the AHCA passes.

[hogans71]

What annoys me is the constant lying about his condition. He says to everyone he is now pain free and feeling good then pulls out.Then says its just back spasms wish should result in one week off but now appears like he may not play again this season. Again!

 

If he just said that ''my back is iffy and I have tried to come back and it didn't work out so now I will rest for now and will try again in the near future and hope it goes better.'' That would be understandable.

 

But all this ''I am pain free for the first time in years, I feel good etc'' Why lie?? Its really annoying that he has said on a few different occasions that he is now injury free and then pulls out. Just stop lying!

 

I think he is only playing to maintain a commercial profile and as other say to keep his brand name out there (for now).

 

To me I think he knows his game is awful and so just cites injuries to avoid admitting he is just plain playing crap. Then takes time off to try to sort himself out. I think he is afraid of embarassing himself. Thats why he wont come back.

 

"Alternate Facts", not lies. Tiger is taking lessons from Spicer and Kellyanne....

 

:)

 

I don't get it.

[DavePelz4]

Rosaforte was on MD and allegedly talked with Steinberg last night. He said no decision has been made regarding the Masters but isn't it time to just be honest about things? He's had a great career...maybe the best ever except for the majors. Even the greatest eventually can't do it anymore. Pick a sport and you can find the player that couldn't do it after a certain point. Mays, Jordan, Manning all hit the wall...it's inevitable.

 

Father Time is undefeated.

[Hawkeye77]

Rosaforte was on MD and allegedly talked with Steinberg last night. He said no decision has been made regarding the Masters but isn't it time to just be honest about things? He's had a great career...maybe the best ever except for the majors. Even the greatest eventually can't do it anymore. Pick a sport and you can find the player that couldn't do it after a certain point. Mays, Jordan, Manning all hit the wall...it's inevitable.

 

Father Time is undefeated.

 

You must divorce yourself of that thought! Father Time can kiss all of our butts! Pre-season golf mantra of guys AARP is way to eager/anxious to classify as seniors.

 

Hybrids = Father Time kryptonite!

[DavePelz4]

With you Hawk...clearly Father Time doesn't win in the battle with hybrids! Just talking about those young bucks.

[Hawkeye77]

With you Hawk...clearly Father Time doesn't win in the battle with hybrids! Just talking about those young bucks.

 

Totally agree! We can/must fool ourselves - and we don't have people reporting on our every thought or movement (if Rosaforte wants to report on my movements he'll have to get up early for the best copy).

[mukster]

Perhaps it is time for Tiger and the frenzied followers to lower expectations. He isn't coming back as a contender and he sure isn't going to knock it about every week as just another journeyman, especially an injury plagued one. He just took a massive amount of time off, did proper rehab, didn't rush anything, came back on his own terms and lasted, what, two tournaments? A T15 out of 18 and a MC, then a WD in the 3rd one?

 

Feel sorry for the guy, but it looks like the writing is on the wall.

 

Maybe his words ,"I'm ready to go" were more prophetic than anyone realized.

 

[BillyZ2]

Tiger needs a minion in his life...

 

 

I wonder how long threads like these will be going on? 30 years from now?

[billh17]

Tiger needs a minion in his life...

 

 

I wonder how long threads like these will be going on? 30 years from now?

Probably as long as the Haters click in on a thread about someone they hate ! lol

[Scotty1140]

Now that Strindberg has chimed in I'm ready for Rosaforte to tell us Tiger has been at the range dunking drivers into a bucket from 315.

[ironmikes]

Now that Strindberg has chimed in I'm ready for Rosaforte to tell us Tiger has been at the range dunking drivers into a bucket from 315.

 

 

Sure sounds like he has been hitting balls and keeping this a secret so nobody knows what is going on.

 

To say you do not want to comment about hitting balls or putting at this time is a dead giveaway , that is what is going on .

[Ghost of Snead]

Rosaforte was on MD and allegedly talked with Steinberg last night. He said no decision has been made regarding the Masters but isn't it time to just be honest about things? He's had a great career...maybe the best ever except for the majors. Even the greatest eventually can't do it anymore. Pick a sport and you can find the player that couldn't do it after a certain point. Mays, Jordan, Manning all hit the wall...it's inevitable.

 

Father Time is undefeated.

 

This is golf .. not baseball, football, basketball ... and he's only 41.

[JonnyKrasnodar]

Golf. Where middle aged, broken down bodies can't and won't keep up with the kids.

[PGArox]

Ali played it very smart later in his career. He didn't let his ego make him go after young hungry dangerous fighters (he avoided Foreman and Holmes).

 

What?!

[grm24]

Ali played it very smart later in his career. He didn't let his ego make him go after young hungry dangerous fighters (he avoided Foreman and Holmes)

Not quite. Ali at age 38 fought Larry Holmes and got beat to a pulp. It was a joke of a fight.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2007/jan/07/boxing.features

http://www.fightsaga.com/news/item/2613-Muhammad-Ali-vs-Larry-Holmes-The-Last-Hurrah-Was-Anything-But

[BillyZ2]

Ali played it very smart later in his career. He didn't let his ego make him go after young hungry dangerous fighters (he avoided Foreman and Holmes)

Not quite. Ali at age 38 fought Larry Holmes and got beat to a pulp. It was a joke of a fight.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2007/jan/07/boxing.features

http://www.fightsaga.com/news/item/2613-Muhammad-Ali-vs-Larry-Holmes-The-Last-Hurrah-Was-Anything-But

Ali, for much of his career, made a punching bag out of himself. I believe the disorder that he has was from the abuse he took in the ring.