POLL: Let’s settle the ”wrx long” claim driver debate.

[Matt J]

I put 220-240 because I would not feel comfortable taking on a flat carry over 230 in a serious competitive round, even though I probably could 9 times out of 10. I can get it out to 240 carry, with longer if I catch it flush, but I want to build a round on averages and less penalty shots than 'bomb' and gouge.

 

And in reality, there is always wind, elevation, humidity, temperature, fatigue, random swing feel, niggly injury etc to factor in to every tee shot, which is why dry ball numbers are fairly pointless. It also depends on the hole - is it tight, am I going to hit a bunt driver? My big miss if I go after it is right, so is that going to be trouble? If I nail it am I going to run through the dog leg?

Bringing in all the variables and calculating averages for how you want to play a round isn't wha I'm getting at in the post.

 

I'm attempting to find out what number, based on the given scenario, wrx members would claim. Not how the member chooses to calculate their average. So far is seems only a very small percentage actually claim they can carry it 280+. Which was the reason for the topic in the first place. There's even less than I thought there would be. Granted only 149 have answered..

 

To carry a 280 yard pond is factoring all the above things because those are all major factors to success. Basically, you'd have to comfortably carry over 300 to guarantee success on a 280 yard forced carry with no substantial wind.

 

To make a 280 carry every time, you'd need to look at the longest 25 PGA Tour or Web players. Maybe a few from the European tour?

 

But, that's a chip shot for the Long Drive guys.

 

If anything this just makes the argument that the pros have amazingly well rounded games. As a lot of amateurs have the club head speed and never develop the accuracy to compete.

[raynorfan1]

The 300+ yard drive is not a thing of wonder and amazement for me. I get it. I get why its desirable. Wish I could hit it that far.

 

The one that gets me is the "easy" PW that goes 150. If you're hitting your drives 300, and an easy PW 150+, what's the use of all the other clubs?

 

Make no mistake, I'd love to be able to hit the ball 300 yards with my driver...but the rest of the game would be so unfamiliar to me.

[Rosco1216]

The issue is that you wrote the on the fence part, and the substantial bet.

That’s different from what’s your typical average. You still have some short shots.

I said multiple times it’s not how one calculates their average. It’s to find the average claim based on the scenario.

[03SMURF]

The 300+ yard drive is not a thing of wonder and amazement for me. I get it. I get why its desirable. Wish I could hit it that far.

 

The one that gets me is the "easy" PW that goes 150. If you're hitting your drives 300, and an easy PW 150+, what's the use of all the other clubs?

 

Make no mistake, I'd love to be able to hit the ball 300 yards with my driver...but the rest of the game would be so unfamiliar to me.

 

That is a problem some of the longer players face and the reason I'd say most play MB's or similar clubs that have more traditional lofts. If I had irons that were 2-3* stronger lofts then an easy pw probably would go 150.

[Rosco1216]

There dozens of topics with guys going back and forth about averages and such. This is not one. The reason I put the “on the fence” part is to make it easier for the poller to answer. Specifically not to bring in calculated averages, course conditions, course management, tournament rounds, scramble rounds, etc etc. That’s a can of worms that gets these discussions completely off topic.

 

[Lincoln_Arcadia]

I put 220-240 because I would not feel comfortable taking on a flat carry over 230 in a serious competitive round, even though I probably could 9 times out of 10. I can get it out to 240 carry, with longer if I catch it flush, but I want to build a round on averages and less penalty shots than 'bomb' and gouge.

 

And in reality, there is always wind, elevation, humidity, temperature, fatigue, random swing feel, niggly injury etc to factor in to every tee shot, which is why dry ball numbers are fairly pointless. It also depends on the hole - is it tight, am I going to hit a bunt driver? My big miss if I go after it is right, so is that going to be trouble? If I nail it am I going to run through the dog leg?

Bringing in all the variables and calculating averages for how you want to play a round isn't wha I'm getting at in the post.

 

I'm attempting to find out what number, based on the given scenario, wrx members would claim. Not how the member chooses to calculate their average. So far is seems only a very small percentage actually claim they can carry it 280+. Which was the reason for the topic in the first place. There's even less than I thought there would be. Granted only 149 have answered..

 

To carry a 280 yard pond is factoring all the above things because those are all major factors to success. Basically, you'd have to comfortably carry over 300 to guarantee success on a 280 yard forced carry with no substantial wind.

 

To make a 280 carry every time, you'd need to look at the longest 25 PGA Tour or Web players. Maybe a few from the European tour?

 

But, that's a chip shot for the Long Drive guys.

 

If anything this just makes the argument that the pros have amazingly well rounded games. As a lot of amateurs have the club head speed and never develop the accuracy to compete.

Exactly, the pros hit far, are consistent and accurate.

 

The premise of this thread is very strange. Who cares who hits farther than 300 yards anyway? If someone can do it consistently, good for them.

 

There are plenty of people who can drive 300+ yards. Every time? Of course not, or they'd be pros.

 

 

The 300+ yard drive is not a thing of wonder and amazement for me. I get it. I get why its desirable. Wish I could hit it that far.

 

The one that gets me is the "easy" PW that goes 150. If you're hitting your drives 300, and an easy PW 150+, what's the use of all the other clubs?

 

Make no mistake, I'd love to be able to hit the ball 300 yards with my driver...but the rest of the game would be so unfamiliar to me.

 

The other clubs are used to get out of trouble most of the time.

[Lincoln_Arcadia]

The reason I put the "on the fence" part is to make it easier for the poller to answer. Specifically not to bring in calculated averages, course conditions, course management, tournament rounds, scramble rounds, etc etc. That's a can of worms that gets these discussions completely off topic.

 

I get that, but at 280+ yards carry all the other "factors" are major for a "guaranteed" position on the poll.

 

A normal 200 yard drive is only in the air for about 3 seconds while a 280 yard carry is in the air for twice that amount of time.

[Rosco1216]

The reason I put the "on the fence" part is to make it easier for the poller to answer. Specifically not to bring in calculated averages, course conditions, course management, tournament rounds, scramble rounds, etc etc. That's a can of worms that gets these discussions completely off topic.

 

I get that, but at 280+ yards carry all the other "factors" are major for a "guaranteed" position on the poll.

 

A normal 200 yard drive is only in the air for about 3 seconds while a 280 yard carry is in the air for twice that amount of time.

I’m completely at a loss on how to respond at this point. “Factors” for a “guaranteed” spot on the poll is making way too much of it and over analyzing beyond the point of rational. Air time on a 200 yard drive vs air time for a 300 yard drive has nothing to do with my poll.

 

[nichho]

Come on guys get with it. The OP wants your vote plus a few comments in order to keep the thread up top, but he doesn't want any conversation about how any of you achieve your average.

Simple really.

[MrJones]

The reason I put the "on the fence" part is to make it easier for the poller to answer. Specifically not to bring in calculated averages, course conditions, course management, tournament rounds, scramble rounds, etc etc. That's a can of worms that gets these discussions completely off topic.

 

I get that, but at 280+ yards carry all the other "factors" are major for a "guaranteed" position on the poll.

 

A normal 200 yard drive is only in the air for about 3 seconds while a 280 yard carry is in the air for twice that amount of time.

 

Average drives so assume Average conditions.

[Lincoln_Arcadia]

The reason I put the "on the fence" part is to make it easier for the poller to answer. Specifically not to bring in calculated averages, course conditions, course management, tournament rounds, scramble rounds, etc etc. That's a can of worms that gets these discussions completely off topic.

 

I get that, but at 280+ yards carry all the other "factors" are major for a "guaranteed" position on the poll.

 

A normal 200 yard drive is only in the air for about 3 seconds while a 280 yard carry is in the air for twice that amount of time.

I'm completely at a loss on how to respond at this point. "Factors" for a "guaranteed" spot on the poll is making way too much of it and over analyzing beyond the point of rational. Air time on a 200 yard drive vs air time for a 300 yard drive has nothing to do with my poll.

 

I think the issue is more about a "real" drive versus something you could see on a simulator or whatever. A real world 280+ yard carry factors in all of these things because it makes a huge difference on the outcome.

 

What you possibly want to really know is actually "How fast is your average swing speed?"

 

For that, mine is 108 with some at 110 and some at 106 if I'm not sore or injured. I can sometimes get a 270 carry on the course and sometimes not. Range ball distances with decent range balls is about 260.

[Rosco1216]

The reason I put the "on the fence" part is to make it easier for the poller to answer. Specifically not to bring in calculated averages, course conditions, course management, tournament rounds, scramble rounds, etc etc. That's a can of worms that gets these discussions completely off topic.

 

I get that, but at 280+ yards carry all the other "factors" are major for a "guaranteed" position on the poll.

 

A normal 200 yard drive is only in the air for about 3 seconds while a 280 yard carry is in the air for twice that amount of time.

I'm completely at a loss on how to respond at this point. "Factors" for a "guaranteed" spot on the poll is making way too much of it and over analyzing beyond the point of rational. Air time on a 200 yard drive vs air time for a 300 yard drive has nothing to do with my poll.

 

I think the issue is more about a "real" drive versus something you could see on a simulator or whatever. A real world 280+ yard carry factors in all of these things because it makes a huge difference on the outcome.

 

What you possibly want to really know is actually "How fast is your average swing speed?"

 

For that, mine is 108 with some at 110 and some at 106 if I'm not sore or injured. I can sometimes get a 270 carry on the course and sometimes not. Range ball distances with decent range balls is about 260.

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[Lincoln_Arcadia]

The reason I put the "on the fence" part is to make it easier for the poller to answer. Specifically not to bring in calculated averages, course conditions, course management, tournament rounds, scramble rounds, etc etc. That's a can of worms that gets these discussions completely off topic.

 

I get that, but at 280+ yards carry all the other "factors" are major for a "guaranteed" position on the poll.

 

A normal 200 yard drive is only in the air for about 3 seconds while a 280 yard carry is in the air for twice that amount of time.

 

Average drives so assume Average conditions.

I got that, but the "guaranteed" position threw me off a bit.

[03SMURF]

The reason I put the "on the fence" part is to make it easier for the poller to answer. Specifically not to bring in calculated averages, course conditions, course management, tournament rounds, scramble rounds, etc etc. That's a can of worms that gets these discussions completely off topic.

 

I get that, but at 280+ yards carry all the other "factors" are major for a "guaranteed" position on the poll.

 

A normal 200 yard drive is only in the air for about 3 seconds while a 280 yard carry is in the air for twice that amount of time.

I'm completely at a loss on how to respond at this point. "Factors" for a "guaranteed" spot on the poll is making way too much of it and over analyzing beyond the point of rational. Air time on a 200 yard drive vs air time for a 300 yard drive has nothing to do with my poll.

 

I think the issue is more about a "real" drive versus something you could see on a simulator or whatever. A real world 280+ yard carry factors in all of these things because it makes a huge difference on the outcome.

 

What you possibly want to really know is actually "How fast is your average swing speed?"

 

For that, mine is 108 with some at 110 and some at 106 if I'm not sore or injured. I can sometimes get a 270 carry on the course and sometimes not. Range ball distances with decent range balls is about 260.

 

You said earlier that if someone could hit 300+ every time they should be pro. By that account, how can someone who can sniff 270 carry not be scratch?

[Rosco1216]

The reason I put the "on the fence" part is to make it easier for the poller to answer. Specifically not to bring in calculated averages, course conditions, course management, tournament rounds, scramble rounds, etc etc. That's a can of worms that gets these discussions completely off topic.

 

I get that, but at 280+ yards carry all the other "factors" are major for a "guaranteed" position on the poll.

 

A normal 200 yard drive is only in the air for about 3 seconds while a 280 yard carry is in the air for twice that amount of time.

 

Average drives so assume Average conditions.

I got that, but the "guaranteed" position threw me off a bit.

I’m not sure where you came up with this “guaranteed position” idea.

[Lincoln_Arcadia]

The reason I put the "on the fence" part is to make it easier for the poller to answer. Specifically not to bring in calculated averages, course conditions, course management, tournament rounds, scramble rounds, etc etc. That's a can of worms that gets these discussions completely off topic.

 

I get that, but at 280+ yards carry all the other "factors" are major for a "guaranteed" position on the poll.

 

A normal 200 yard drive is only in the air for about 3 seconds while a 280 yard carry is in the air for twice that amount of time.

 

Average drives so assume Average conditions.

I got that, but the "guaranteed" position threw me off a bit.

I'm not sure where you came up with this "guaranteed position" idea.

 

You do have reasonable ranges for the poll, but the part that threw me off was the large bet condition which I interpreted as "guaranteed".

 

When I voted, I put literally zero thought into it and answered 260-280, but then as more people posted conditions, and that got me overthinking it a bit.

[Rosco1216]

No guarantees in golf. If we could guarantee shots then maybe we should be tour pros, right!?(sarcasm, obviously)

[Lincoln_Arcadia]

No guarantees in golf. If we could guarantee shots then maybe we should be tour pros, right!?(sarcasm, obviously)

 

Sigh, that's golf. Cheers!

[BeerPerHole]

If somebody asks I say I hit "mid-200s". Lately, after finally starting to focus on the driver this year I have hit a few huge drives on the course. But 1 out of 20 drives is nowhere near the norm, nor does it quantify my category. If I can start hitting half like I'm capable it'll be a new game. Big "if"...

[Medic]

200 to 220 carry for me. It might actually be just slightly over 220 of carry but I really like dry FW and some roll. My average was 237 over 10 rounds about a year ago and I can say with 100% certainty that 15 yards or so was roll out.

[Bingo1976]

I put 220-240 because I would not feel comfortable taking on a flat carry over 230 in a serious competitive round, even though I probably could 9 times out of 10. I can get it out to 240 carry, with longer if I catch it flush, but I want to build a round on averages and less penalty shots than 'bomb' and gouge.

 

And in reality, there is always wind, elevation, humidity, temperature, fatigue, random swing feel, niggly injury etc to factor in to every tee shot, which is why dry ball numbers are fairly pointless. It also depends on the hole - is it tight, am I going to hit a bunt driver? My big miss if I go after it is right, so is that going to be trouble? If I nail it am I going to run through the dog leg?

Bringing in all the variables and calculating averages for how you want to play a round isn't wha I'm getting at in the post.

 

I'm attempting to find out what number, based on the given scenario, wrx members would claim. Not how the member chooses to calculate their average. So far is seems only a very small percentage actually claim they can carry it 280+. Which was the reason for the topic in the first place. There's even less than I thought there would be. Granted only 149 have answered..

 

But it's not based on the given scenario. You said 'if you are on the fence, imagine that you have to clear a pond'. Your actual question was average carry based on average conditions. No pond.

 

Granted you did not ask for why the number posted was used, but then it would be a very dull topic, so I gave my opinion.

[BiggErn]

WRX drive averages are based on the best 2 out of 20 plus the one a couple years ago that caught the cart path and rolled another 100 yards. It wasn’t in the fairway but close enough.

[Lincoln_Arcadia]

WRX drive averages are based on the best 2 out of 20 plus the one a couple years ago that caught the cart path and rolled another 100 yards. It wasn’t in the fairway but close enough.

 

Or that many people stating things like this won't admit that there are people out there that can drive pretty far.

[Rosco1216]

WRX drive averages are based on the best 2 out of 20 plus the one a couple years ago that caught the cart path and rolled another 100 yards. It wasn’t in the fairway but close enough.

Guys making silly comments like this is one of the main reasons why I started it.

[Rosco1216]

Updated the OP to hopefully clarify some more, as if it wasn’t already clear enough. 185 posted let’s get that up!

 

$h!t. I updated the post and and it deleted the pole.

MODS: is there anyway it can be re-added with the 184 members who answered?

[deadsolid...shank]

People will still lie, anon. or not.

 

I'd say your average muni carry is around 230-240. Since this is the internet and nothing can really be trusted, I really don't know what the real average is. I'd guess most guys would be in the 260-280 simply because the internet tends to be filled with younger people, rather than older.

 

Just looking for the average wrx member carry based on polling. The guys who always post “the average wrx carry is 300+” is silly because I rarely see many guys verbally claiming to. So maybe this will show that the most common exaggerated average on here is guys who say this is wrx and everyone carries it 300+.

 

What I've noticed is most of those posts seems to come from new members with low post counts. Seems like they've read some of those type posts and then repeat them. Rarely do you see one from a forum member who is a regular and has been here a while.

 

 

WRX drive averages are based on the best 2 out of 20 plus the one a couple years ago that caught the cart path and rolled another 100 yards. It wasn’t in the fairway but close enough.

Guys making silly comments like this is one of the main reasons why I started it.

 

Just what I was referencing in my post Rosco. Note the join date and post count. It's almost like an initiation into WRX, you have to say something like this because you haven't read enough to know that those boastful, bogus posts are actually the exception rather than the rule.

[Rosco1216]

Here was poll latest. I updated the verbage on the OP and when I saved it the poll no longer available.

[Lincoln_Arcadia]

Here was poll latest. I updated the verbage on the OP and when I saved it the poll no longer available.

 

Good job on the survey!

 

On a golf forum like this one, it's not surprising to see half of the golfers making 250+ carries. Note that only 10 voted they carry over 280. I'd believe that, especially if some long drive competitors also answered.

[Rosco1216]

Anyone know of a mod I can contact to see if they can add the poll back and not lose all the votes?

[Moonlightgrm]

I selected the 220-240 range because my AVERAGE carry yardage is close to 240. Do I carry the ball 250+? Occasionally, but my average carry yardage is most likely 235-240 each round.