LIV Tour Discussion Thread (*** NO POLITICS ***)

[tomjas]

Anyway, back to golf

 

John Catlin has just won the Asian Tour event in Riyadh to go top of the OOM (winner gets a LIV contract)

 

Had a shocking couple of years where he lost playing rights on the DPWT and then AT but has now won twice in succession 

 

Pretty good player who has won 3 times on the DPWT, shot a 59 in Macau and broke the AT record for consecutive holes without a bogey with 74

[bscinstnct]

39 minutes ago, tomjas said:

Only if it gets 90k on day 4

 

I am watching the Asian Tour from Riyadh atm & there’s more spectators there 😅

 

*Interest in LIV is highest in Australia, but globally, the chart shows interest tanking every season

 

Rahm and Cam gave no boost, it’s very sad 🤣

 

 

 

 

 

*interest in the PGA Tour remains consistent every season to season.

 

 

Edited April 20 by bscinstnct

[tomjas]

2 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

*Interest in LIV is highest in Australia, but globally, the chart shows interest tanking every season

 

Rahm and Cam gave no boost, it’s very sad 🤣

 

 

 

 

 

*interest in the PGA Tour remains consistent every season to season.

 

 

If you think that the PGAT is doing well then I have an iceberg to sell you 

 

Their new partners are hedge funds so good luck with those graphs of yours 

[Hawkeye77]

35 minutes ago, tomjas said:

Sorry, I forgot that you were an expert in South Australian town planning legislation 

Nope, nor are you - but happy to read a link about how capacity was determined and why it couldn’t be increased if there was $ to make any necessary changes.  They are already spending taxpayer money to make this happen and did last year. 

[bscinstnct]

1 minute ago, tomjas said:

If you think that the PGAT is doing well then I have an iceberg to sell you 

 

Their new partners are hedge funds so good luck with those graphs of yours 

 

Cheers 🍻 tj, the Australia even will be very successful 

 

As far as these “hedge funds”

 

SSG is made up of billionaires from a variety of backgrounds. 
 

For example, Arthur Blank, co-founder of Home Depot. If you’re not familiar, HD is a $330 billion dollar company 

 

He also owns the Atlanta Falcons (NFL) and a US soccer team.

 

Perhaps he’s enjoying watching LIV fail on those “graphs” as much as anyone ; )

 

 

[BlackDiamondPar5]

PGAT Tour Revenue grew by 37% from 20-21 and 19% from 21-22.  Pretty solid growth in a tough market. 2023 rev hasn't been released yet.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

Bottom line-- in AUS, LIV's biggest market, the interest in the PGAT is still much greater than LIV. 

3% of 5.5M = 165K vs 17% of 461K = 78K

 

 

Edited April 20 by BlackDiamondPar5

[fowlerscousin]

On 4/18/2024 at 9:09 AM, MaineMariner said:

 

LIV pledged to give $100 million to charity through its charitable organization. Have they done so? I can't even find any evidence that any sort of separate charitable organization was ever set up, so it appears that any sort of charitable giving would be done through LIV itself and therefore free of scrutiny from prying eyes. LIV could pledge to give $100 billion, but it doesn't mean it's happened.

 

 

Thankfully this thread has a public charity auditor on hand lol

[fowlerscousin]

Pga players getting beat by 15 year olds now lol

[MaineMariner]

5 minutes ago, fowlerscousin said:

Pga players getting beat by 15 year olds now lol

Forgotten this guy already?

 

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/ratchanon-tk-chantananuwat-asia-pacific-amateur-2022-preview-favorite-asian-tour-liv-golf-college-golf/amp

[Shilgy]

On 4/18/2024 at 7:50 PM, bekgolf said:

The Masters chose to not have an active app this year.  Coverage could be watched via their webpage but anything else needed to be streamed from a subscription service. 

 

It had to of accounted for some of the drop in viewership this year.  There was no way I was signing up for espn+ or another + service just to watch the Masters on my tv, I was able to watch on my laptop and cast to the tv.  Others probably watched something else since the Masters made it difficult to watch compared to years past.

 

SS put on a great show.  It's too bad that it was not available to everyone.

 

 

Everyone probably doesn’t want to watch.  I am willing to bet an overwhelming majority of golfers, who all have some disposable income if they play, have a cell phone or iPad and Wi-Fi and smart TV.  That is all that was needed.  
Load the Masters app for free and stream from phone or iPad Masters app to TV.  If they are both on the same Wi-Fi it’s simple to do.

[Shilgy]

5 hours ago, tomjas said:

Anyway, back to golf

 

John Catlin has just won the Asian Tour event in Riyadh to go top of the OOM (winner gets a LIV contract)

 

Had a shocking couple of years where he lost playing rights on the DPWT and then AT but has now won twice in succession 

 

Pretty good player who has won 3 times on the DPWT, shot a 59 in Macau and broke the AT record for consecutive holes without a bogey with 74

Hmm, think he will move the needle for LIV better than a Rahm or DJ?  Tells me something about his game when an American doesn’t try for the PGA Tour.

[Hawkeye77]

1 hour ago, fowlerscousin said:

Pga players getting beat by 15 year olds now lol

 

The "sauce" just gets weaker and weaker from the LIV lovers.  No kids beating anyone at Harbor Town or Puntacana but yes . . . an incredible performance by a young man at a KFT event is cause for derisive comments  --- that's how they roll, Norman would be proud!

 

 

 

 

[redfirebird08]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye77 said:

 

The "sauce" just gets weaker and weaker from the LIV lovers.  No kids beating anyone at Harbor Town or Puntacana but yes . . . an incredible performance by a young man at a KFT event is cause for derisive comments  --- that's how they roll, Norman would be proud!

 

 

 

 

I have a feeling the 15 year old would beat a pretty good chunk of LIV fields. 

[bscinstnct]

2 hours ago, fowlerscousin said:

Pga players getting beat by 15 year olds now lol

 

GN just offered him 

 

$800MM and his own franchise 🤣

[19thteegala]

7 hours ago, Hawkeye77 said:

There won’t be a “merger”. 

Haha ok. But answer the question. Will you watch it, or will you give up on golf?

[Hawkeye77]

Just now, 19thteegala said:

Haha ok. But answer the question. Will you watch it, or will you give up on golf?

The assumption was there would be a merger - so nothing to answer.

[notsohard]

8 hours ago, tomjas said:

See Phoenix which has been far & away the most successful PGAT tournament this year 

Well, the people want what the people want. You just have to control them. 

 

7 hours ago, Hawkeye77 said:

Just noticed LIV put up the YT vid of its highlights from last year at Adelaide to promote the runup to its “signature” event. After a little over one day - 2.6k looks. After 12 hours highlights of Scheffler’s round yesterday - 58,000 looks. Even on its “platform” nobody cares. 

No one is interested in golf commercials, whatever tour it is. 

 

7 hours ago, Hawkeye77 said:

And the gov’t wouldn’t allow a bigger event? Of course it would - LIV has a ceiling. 

No...South Australian government has the Major Events Act legislation 2013. A committee determines the amount of people for all events in the state based on guidelines determined by the act. 

 

7 hours ago, Ghost of Snead said:

 

They must be offering free trips to Coober Pedy to mine opals.

Some knowledge for you...Coober Pedy golf club is the only golf club in the world to have reciprocal rights with St Andrews.

 

[Hawkeye77]

2 hours ago, notsohard said:

 

No...South Australian government has the Major Events Act legislation 2013. A committee determines the amount of people for all events in the state based on guidelines determined by the act. 

 

 

Um, yes.

 

As I said, gov't (not necessarily the act itself) is involved and can allow capacity to increase.  But you might want to actually read the act, lol.  

 

Apart from getting certain regulatory authority for events which is the main purpose, in this case the LIV event also gets (surprise) . . . access to a fund of government money for the benefit of the event.  Good old Australian venues, by the way, don't get the kind of money from LIV/PIF that some of the U.S. venues have seen - local spending, larger government spending and local volunteers have been leaned on heavily by the rich LIV masters and Norman.

 

It's already been reported that capacity is increased for the event this year (not done by virtue of the major events act and not because some language in the act magically changed since last year) because changes have been made, i.e. more grandstand capacity as one part, to allow there to be more people at the venue and more tickets sold.  Of course, there are guidelines but things don't work quite the way you suggest or someone else above was suggesting.  

Edited April 20 by Hawkeye77

[Hawkeye77]

41 minutes ago, Hawkeye77 said:

The assumption was there would be a merger - so nothing to answer.

 

Whoa, @Cactus Jack liked my post!

Edited April 20 by Hawkeye77

[idrive]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye77 said:

 

Whoa, @Cactus Jack liked my post!

 

Well, no. As we all know he's just confused as he has now corrected his "laugh".

[tomjas]

8 hours ago, Hawkeye77 said:

Nope, nor are you - but happy to read a link about how capacity was determined and why it couldn’t be increased if there was $ to make any necessary changes.  They are already spending taxpayer money to make this happen and did last year. 

You hate LIV, have probably never watched it (and never will), and add nothing to this thread other than drivel such as this, so why post here?

 

Stick to your safe space in the PGAT threads where you might be able to comment on something upon which you have knowledge 

[tomjas]

3 hours ago, Shilgy said:

Hmm, think he will move the needle for LIV better than a Rahm or DJ?  Tells me something about his game when an American doesn’t try for the PGA Tour.

Not everything is about the PGAT

 

There’s a thread for that so stick to that if it’s all you care about 

[Hawkeye77]

18 minutes ago, tomjas said:

You hate LIV, have probably never watched it (and never will), and add nothing to this thread other than drivel such as this, so why post here?

 

Stick to your safe space in the PGAT threads where you might be able to comment on something upon which you have knowledge 

 

I don't hate it, I just don't care about it and yep, haven't watched a minute of it.

 

Seems like any time facts enter the equation you default to this stuff - most of the people posting here about LIV do so because the narrative in favor of LIV tends to "skip over" facts more than a little bit and rely more on the ad hominem.  Kind of Norman-esque in a way, but not productive IMO. 

Edited April 20 by Hawkeye77

[Hawkeye77]

44 minutes ago, idrive said:

 

Well, no. As we all know he's just confused as he has now corrected his "laugh".

Haha, I just figure he intends to "like" them but is so confused he hits the wrong button! 

Edited April 20 by Hawkeye77

[Shilgy]

11 minutes ago, tomjas said:

Not everything is about the PGAT

 

There’s a thread for that so stick to that if it’s all you care about 

And here I thought all of this was about the LIV tour….their players…and the quality thereof.  Is there a primer somewhere that says what is not allowed to be discussed?  
 

Or is it just that anything that could be perceived by you as negative about their exhibitions is not allowed?

 

[tomjas]

20 minutes ago, Hawkeye77 said:

 

I don't hate it, I just don't care about it and yep, haven't watched a minute of it.

 

Seems like any time facts enter the equation you default to this stuff - most of the people posting here about LIV do so because the narrative in favor of LIV tends to "skip over" facts more than a little bit and rely more on the ad hominem.  Kind of Norman-esque in a way, but not productive IMO. 

You’re commenting on a tour that you don’t watch & upon South Australian planning legislation without having any knowledge of it

 

Facts aren’t your strong point 

 

 

[tomjas]

34 minutes ago, Shilgy said:

And here I thought all of this was about the LIV tour….their players…and the quality thereof.  Is there a primer somewhere that says what is not allowed to be discussed?  
 

Or is it just that anything that could be perceived by you as negative about their exhibitions is not allowed?

 

Please explain why the PGAT is even remotely relevant to him winning an Asian Tour event 

 

I assume you know that he’s never played professionally in America 

Edited April 21 by tomjas

[Shilgy]

12 minutes ago, tomjas said:

Please explain why the PGAT is even remotely relevant to him winning an Asian Tour event 

 

I assume you know that he’s never played professionally in America 

Never? Very little success but certainly not never.  Which answers the question.

https://www.pgatour.com/player/45734/john-catlin/results

[tomjas]

9 minutes ago, Shilgy said:

Never? Very little success but certainly not never.  Which answers the question.

https://www.pgatour.com/player/45734/john-catlin/results

And yet he’s a much better player than most of the field in that b grade event being played this weekend 

 

Probably just prefers to play in Europe & Asia