Did I get scammed?

[grm24]

23 hours ago, 1t2golf said:

@sdot It's only been a day. Did he say when he would ship? 

Thinking out loud here. WRX members in good standing need a minimumm of 75 posts to be able to sell in the B/S/T. Why then can newbs with no posts or members with under 75 posts sell to members who post a WTB? Seems like a giant loophole. Seems that one should need 75 posts to even reply to a WTB ad. Would make people spend time here and become somewhat known to members.

 

Wouldn't stop somebody bent on pulling a scam but could possibly slow it down a bit. Paid $5 ads are another loophole as well. Again just thinking out loud. 

Edited March 29, 2023 by grm24

[sdot]

2 hours ago, tsmithers said:

 

Yeah, don't beat yourself up over it.  I did it once as well but not on here. Thankfully I was able to get my money back and hope you do too.

Thanks man👍🏼🍻 I’m just a good ole boy who’s used to people doing what they say they will.  I learn all my lessons the hard way lol.   It was just carelessness on my part.   

[sdot]

49 minutes ago, grm24 said:

Thinking out loud here. WRX members in good standing need a minimumm of 75 posts to be able to sell in the B/S/T. Why then can newbs with no posts or members with under 75 posts sell to membets who post a WTB? Seems like a giant loophole. Seems that one should need 75 posts to even reply to a WTB ad. Would make people spend time here and become somewhat known to members.

 

Wouldn't stop somebody bent on pulling a scam but could possibly slow it down a bit. Paid $5 ads are another loophole as well. Again just thinking out loud. 

Good question.   Kinda surprised that a Mod hasn’t reached out to say they tried contacting him to do the right thing 🤷🏼‍♂️

[brew4eagle]

1 hour ago, sdot said:

Good question.   Kinda surprised that a Mod hasn’t reached out to say they tried contacting him to do the right thing 🤷🏼‍♂️

In mods defense, it's been 1 business day and he claimed he's going to refund.

[TyNiles]

PayPal is not going to do anything. If a debit/credit card was used to fund it - reach out to your bank/FI to explain what happened and they may be able to issue a chargeback. Not guaranteed though - more of a good faith thing by your bank/FI. 

[southpaw72]

Im thankful for in flight Wi-Fi and wrx drama. Thank you op and I’m sorry for your loss 

[Rob_X]

12 hours ago, grm24 said:

Thinking out loud here. WRX members in good standing need a minimumm of 75 posts to be able to sell in the B/S/T. Why then can newbs with no posts or members with under 75 posts sell to members who post a WTB? Seems like a giant loophole. Seems that one should need 75 posts to even reply to a WTB ad. Would make people spend time here and become somewhat known to members.

 

Wouldn't stop somebody bent on pulling a scam but could possibly slow it down a bit. Paid $5 ads are another loophole as well. Again just thinking out loud. 

 

I think on some other non-golf forums, you have to have a certain number of posts, etc to be able to direct message people.  That would be one potential option but wouldn't necessarily stop anything, just slow it down the potential spam responses to WTB.  

 

I suppose the reason why not to do that is new members joining and wanting to buy something on BST, you need to be able to DM.  Or maybe you just want to DM something about a post to get specific feedback.  But you could put a lower bar than posting a BST, like 15-20 posts or something like that spread out over some minimum number of days.  Not sure how much of a deterrent it would be though.

 

But I guess in the end the best defense against it is just being skeptical in interactions with new users, F&F requests, or long-dormant account, as mentioned in the warnings.  

 

I have also been paid via F&F before, but never because I requested it.  Having positive feedback and a history, sometimes people will just do it.  If I really want to compensate someone for the paypal fees because they were really great or accommodating, I will usually just pay a few dollars more but still pay with goods/services mode. 

 

There are plenty of trustworthy people on here, and it sucks to have the vultures.  I have sent a shaft to another member to try out once before buying.  They paid shipping and we had a pre-negotiated price if they liked it.  Critically, it was with someone that was active on the forum and had a load of positive feedback.  And it was a shaft that was <$100, so limited risk.  But there were a lot of boxes to check to be comfortable with it.

 

[Puttersaurus Rex]

12 hours ago, grm24 said:

Thinking out loud here. WRX members in good standing need a minimumm of 75 posts to be able to sell in the B/S/T. Why then can newbs with no posts or members with under 75 posts sell to members who post a WTB? Seems like a giant loophole. Seems that one should need 75 posts to even reply to a WTB ad. Would make people spend time here and become somewhat known to members.

 

Wouldn't stop somebody bent on pulling a scam but could possibly slow it down a bit. Paid $5 ads are another loophole as well. Again just thinking out loud. 

^This. 

 

It is a loophole that new and old members have been abusing.  Just don't call anyone out, because it may "ruin their livelihood" (I have the DM's preserved where I am now a member that others would NOT sell under the table too - darn).  If anyone is relying on selling on this site for income, then their priorities are mixed up.  I have been apparently blackballed for calling out this behavior.

 

At this point there are a lot of bulk selling and scams going on in the WTB.  Someone might tell a friend about the great deal that they received on WTB for new clubs, then the other person connects with a scammer where there is no deal at all.  People get "BST Banned", though nothing stops them from answering WTB ads to continue the behavior.

 

Not badgering the OP here.  The "deals" are attractive, and it attracts scammers as well.

 

As the Mods say, we need to report scammers and bulk sellers to protect the field.

 

Hopefully my comment doesn't get reported and deleted...

 

 

[I'_rather_be_golfing]

I'm very sorry to hear about your situation OP. Hopefully things get sorted out and you are able to get some of you. But hope this is a lesson learn. Don't ever use Friends and Family to send payment for goods. That guy was not a friend nor family. 

[Bad9]

15 minutes ago, Rob_X said:

 

I think on some other non-golf forums, you have to have a certain number of posts, etc to be able to direct message people.  That would be one potential option but wouldn't necessarily stop anything, just slow it down the potential spam responses to WTB.  

 

I suppose the reason why not to do that is new members joining and wanting to buy something on BST, you need to be able to DM.  Or maybe you just want to DM something about a post to get specific feedback.  But you could put a lower bar than posting a BST, like 15-20 posts or something like that spread out over some minimum number of days.  Not sure how much of a deterrent it would be though.

 

But I guess in the end the best defense against it is just being skeptical in interactions with new users, F&F requests, or long-dormant account, as mentioned in the warnings.  

 

I have also been paid via F&F before, but never because I requested it.  Having positive feedback and a history, sometimes people will just do it.  If I really want to compensate someone for the paypal fees because they were really great or accommodating, I will usually just pay a few dollars more but still pay with goods/services mode. 

 

There are plenty of trustworthy people on here, and it sucks to have the vultures.  I have sent a shaft to another member to try out once before buying.  They paid shipping and we had a pre-negotiated price if they liked it.  Critically, it was with someone that was active on the forum and had a load of positive feedback.  And it was a shaft that was <$100, so limited risk.  But there were a lot of boxes to check to be comfortable with it.

 

 

You're supposed to have 10 post to be able to send more than one DM a day-

It seems the way around it is to DM your phone number and do the rest by text which looks like the case here.

[sdot]

Ahhh! So that’s why he gave me his cell and asked to text him.  But I looked back in my inbox and he DM’d me 3 times on Saturday 

[Bad9]

13 minutes ago, sdot said:

Ahhh! So that’s why he gave me his cell and asked to text him.  But I looked back in my inbox and he DM’d me 3 times on Saturday 

 

Refunded yet?

[mikewohlwend]

14 hours ago, grm24 said:

Thinking out loud here. WRX members in good standing need a minimumm of 75 posts to be able to sell in the B/S/T. Why then can newbs with no posts or members with under 75 posts sell to members who post a WTB? Seems like a giant loophole. Seems that one should need 75 posts to even reply to a WTB ad. Would make people spend time here and become somewhat known to members.

 

Wouldn't stop somebody bent on pulling a scam but could possibly slow it down a bit. Paid $5 ads are another loophole as well. Again just thinking out loud. 

 

Just block anyone that doesn't meet a certain requirement from even being able to access certain parts of the forum.

[nsxguy]

41 minutes ago, sdot said:

Ahhh! So that’s why he gave me his cell and asked to text him.  But I looked back in my inbox and he DM’d me 3 times on Saturday 

 

LOL

 

In some posters' estimation you jumped the gun on this complaint in the first place.

 

27 posts from you in about 36 hours. Thankfully you've connected with the seller and now, the ONLY thing others want to know is whether or not you've gotten refunded yet.

 

So,obviously monitoring your thread, you post this "Ahhh, so that's why" post yet do NOT give any update on the refund.

 

@Bad9 quoted you so you likely got a notification yet did not come back to tell us.

 

Just as an fyi, these are the sorts of things that make others suspect your version/motives/whatever,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[sdot]

36 minutes ago, Bad9 said:

 

Refunded yet?

He ghosted.  No refund. No replies.  He’s obviously a POS.  PayPal advised to have my CC issue a chargeback.  So I did that this morning.  PP said that will initiate a case where they can then work with my CC issuer on the details.    He should be banned from this site IMO. 

[golffeen007]

1 minute ago, sdot said:

He ghosted.  No refund. No replies.  He’s obviously a POS.  PayPal advised to have my CC issue a chargeback.  So I did that this morning.  PP said that will initiate a case where they can then work with my CC issuer on the details.    He should be banned from this site IMO. 

Did you ever send him the extra $25 or $50 for shipping?

[Wham49]

this whole thing got confusing as I read, The guy is probably jacking him around cause he went crazt on a Monday when he bought something on a Saturday, ever buy anything on Ebay or other auction sites, it takes them a few days to ship, this is not their business give the man a chance or buuy from somebody who has a history on the site. 

 

this is why I do not or will not buy or sell anything on a Site like this

Edited March 29, 2023 by Wham49

[NixLix26]

This has been an interesting read.  thanks for sharing.

[sdot]

6 minutes ago, nsxguy said:

 

LOL

 

In some posters' estimation you jumped the gun on this complaint in the first place.

 

27 posts from you in about 36 hours. Thankfully you've connected with the seller and now, the ONLY thing others want to know is whether or not you've gotten refunded yet.

 

So,obviously monitoring your thread, you post this "Ahhh, so that's why" post yet do NOT give any update on the refund.

 

6 minutes ago, nsxguy said:

@Bad9 quoted you so you likely got a notification yet did not come back to tell us.

 

Just as an fyi, these are the sorts of things that make others suspect your version/motives/whatever,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Page 3.  20hrs ago I posted no refund.  Not sure how often I’m supposed to say it.  The seller only agreed to a refund 24hrs ago.  

[sdot]

1 minute ago, Wham49 said:

this whole thing got confusing as I read, The guy is probably jacking him around cause he went crazt on a Monday when he bought something on a Saturday, ever buy anything on Ebay or other auction sites, it takes them a few days to ship, this is not their business give the man a chance or buuy from somebody who has a history on the site.

 

this is why I do not or will not buy or sell anything on a Site like this

Didn’t go crazy on a Monday.  It was Tuesday.  Thanks 

[sdot]

2 minutes ago, golffeen007 said:

Did you ever send him the extra $25 or $50 for shipping?

No I did not.  

[Wham49]

1 minute ago, sdot said:

Didn’t go crazy on a Monday.  It was Tuesday.  Thanks 

If you said no refund will update tommorow would be over, maybe you should quit posting so much then people will quit asking 

 

but please keep posting I am making popcorn for the end of this

[sdot]

2 minutes ago, Wham49 said:

If you said no refund will update tommorow would be over, maybe you should quit posting so much then people will quit asking 

 

but please keep posting I am making popcorn for the end of this

👍🏼

[nsxguy]

23 minutes ago, sdot said:

 

Page 3.  20hrs ago I posted no refund.  Not sure how often I’m supposed to say it.  The seller only agreed to a refund 24hrs ago.  

 

LMAO

 

At 12:06PM yesterday you posted pics of the texts where the seller agreed to a refund.

 

Almost 24 hours later you reply to a post about why he suggested texts to you instead of updating the status of refunding.

 

So, essentially you prematurely (in some posters' opinions) jumped all over this transaction possibly being a fraudulent one, but now, after the seller agreed to a refund, and many posters awaiting the outcome, you wanted(?) to give him more time to refund before you posted "Ghosted" ?

 

That's pretty funny.

[nsxguy]

46 minutes ago, sdot said:

He ghosted.  No refund. No replies.  He’s obviously a POS.  PayPal advised to have my CC issue a chargeback.  So I did that this morning.  PP said that will initiate a case where they can then work with my CC issuer on the details.    He should be banned from this site IMO. 

 

Thanks for the update.

 

Finally, I think it 98% certain it's a scam. Barring some sort of really unusual circumstances, after almost 24 hours, any honest seller would've gotten that refund done, especially having seen this thread.

 

I expect he will be banned once the mods review and verify.

 

With some luck, this'll be the most a lesson like this will ever cost you.

 

And maybe that chargeback will actually happen,,,,,,,,,, 👍

[Neo1]

it amazes me still how many people "gift" payments on PayPal to complete and total strangers....for the people who do this they have to change their way of thinking. every PayPal transaction comes with "FREE" insurance and gifting is saving 3% to give that up. 

[Bad9]

9 minutes ago, golf_junkie_85 said:

every PayPal transaction comes with "FREE" insurance and gifting is saving 3% to give that up. 

 

And that 3% should be baked into the price. Anyone who asks me to send F&F I assume they are trying to scam and I don't buy.

[Jeri6gt]

we have 2 pinned topics talking about this here

and here

I am surprised people do not see it?

[KC13]

I would sign the phone number you have up for every telemarketer in the country.  

[kwcsports]

Live and learn, you will not make the mistake again. Lots of great people on this forum, just make sure you've got recourse if there is a prob next time you buy. Good luck on your iron search.