Scratch/Plus Handicap amateur male golfer vs. Nelly Korda (LGPA)

[nikegolfer93]

For those who don't know Grant Horvat is one of the better YT golfers and he's a pretty cool guy from all accounts. 

He plays to about a scratch or +1

He plays against Nelly from the same tees and she still easily beats him. I honestly still don't get why women golf is more popular but they can flat out play golf. 

[Phabs]

We’re surprised by this?

[iodje123]

I would have thought he was better than +1

[LBB]

4 hours ago, nikegolfer93 said:

 I honestly still don't get why women golf is more popular but they can flat out play golf. 

Media rights competition.

[Loki]

On 1/10/2024 at 3:02 PM, Phabs said:

We’re surprised by this?

Of course GolfWRX is surprised by this just, look up the thread about a 4 HC male playing on the LPGA tour. EVERYONE here thinks he would cleanup.

[MtlJeff]

On 1/10/2024 at 2:44 PM, nikegolfer93 said:

For those who don't know Grant Horvat is one of the better YT golfers and he's a pretty cool guy from all accounts. 

He plays to about a scratch or +1

He plays against Nelly from the same tees and she still easily beats him. I honestly still don't get why women golf is more popular but they can flat out play golf. 

 

Women's Golf isn't popular for the same reason most women's sports aren't popular.....women don't watch them

 

As Bill Burr said, the Kardashian's are drowning in money. 

 

Women just don't watch sports

 

 

[Soloman1]

She beat him because the ball goes too far.

[kwcsports]

Nelly is pretty good, not surprised. 😂

[GregNormans1Iron]

On 1/11/2024 at 1:09 AM, iodje123 said:

I would have thought he was better than +1

Yeah I would have thought he was around +3/4.

That's purely from seeing his scores on different courses rather than a home course that he would know. He always seems to break/ be around par. 

[cardoustie]

If Grant got up to a 4 cap he would’ve dominated … we all know this 

[rukahs]

Yeah I’m really not surprised at all that she beats him. She beats any YouTuber..

[stinger_gc]

I love Nelly’s tempo and swing. Love watching her 

[aenemated]

Wow, a major winner and former world #1 beat a Youtuber? No way! 

Edited January 14 by aenemated

[Golfinfloridaafter40]

On 1/10/2024 at 8:09 PM, iodje123 said:

I would have thought he was better than +1

I wouldn't have, he can't putt at all.

[SoCalTitleist]

20 minutes ago, Golfinfloridaafter40 said:

I wouldn't have, he can't putt at all.

yeah this from what ive seen he cant putt.

[SoCalTitleist]

hate all these videos can a Youtuber beat a pro.  

 

Some of these videos are pain full to watch, golf is already slow but hearing dudes complain and comment the entire video  why they miss shots every hole and oh let me hit this soft 3/4 baby knock down fade into the hole then proceed to miss a mile.

[bcjim]

I think they all ought to actually have a tournament with all these guys.  I know there's been the occasional half assed thing but surely some sponsor could be found to put up a decent purse for a one off event? Gross and net even.

 

Do too many guys fear getting exposed and their covers blown? Why hasn't this happened?

 

I saw this guy play Bethpage,  he's obv good but also obv not a tour level golfer currently. 

 

 

[bladehunter]

On 1/10/2024 at 2:44 PM, nikegolfer93 said:

For those who don't know Grant Horvat is one of the better YT golfers and he's a pretty cool guy from all accounts. 

He plays to about a scratch or +1

He plays against Nelly from the same tees and she still easily beats him. I honestly still don't get why women golf is more popular but they can flat out play golf. 

What length tees ?  Her length or his ? 
 

beside the point. This is for clicks.  He’s no traveling plus tournament player.  He putts like me a couple years ago 🤣

Edited January 14 by bladehunter

[JetSpeed79]

22 hours ago, MtlJeff said:

 

Women's Golf isn't popular for the same reason most women's sports aren't popular.....women don't watch them

 

As Bill Burr said, the Kardashian's are drowning in money. 

 

Women just don't watch sports

 

 

Ahhhh, Bill. 
 

I took my wife to see him just before covid. She’s not a huge comedy fan but she had a blast. Highly recommend catching him in person. 
 

My son turns 18 in Feb. He doesn’t know it yet but I’m taking him to Tom Segura in March for his bday (he’s a big fan, and I’m a terrible parent). Should be a good time. 

[MtlJeff]

3 hours ago, JetSpeed79 said:

Ahhhh, Bill. 
 

I took my wife to see him just before covid. She’s not a huge comedy fan but she had a blast. Highly recommend catching him in person. 
 

My son turns 18 in Feb. He doesn’t know it yet but I’m taking him to Tom Segura in March for his bday (he’s a big fan, and I’m a terrible parent). Should be a good time. 

 

I'm in MTL so i've seen all these guys live at Just For Laughs , which is a huge comedy fest here. I've actually hung out with several of the mid-level type guys at some of the clubs after their performances. I saw Bill Burr maybe 5-6 years ago here the last time

 

The "best of the fest" show you get a great mix of up and comers. I saw Iliza Schesinger when she was like 24 and she absolutely bombed LOL, walked off the stage cursing. She has like 5 specials on Netflix now and they are mostly really good. I also saw Anthony Jeselnik before he became big and a bunch of others

[Cliffy2020]

I played with Natalie Gulbis this summer.  Me (and 3 buddies) from the back tees, her from the lady’s box in a scramble.  Her drives were 240-250ish dead straight.  Because of her distance advantage from her tee box we used every single one of her drives.  Her mid & long irons were solid but ~125yds and in was awesome. The biggest difference was green side and out to 30/40 yards - THOSE were amazing.  
 

I could keep up with her tee to green but get absolutely smoked on & around the greens.

 

[PedronNiall]

On 1/13/2024 at 1:52 PM, MtlJeff said:

 

Women's Golf isn't popular for the same reason most women's sports aren't popular.....women don't watch them

 

As Bill Burr said, the Kardashian's are drowning in money. 

 

Women just don't watch sports

 

 

Serious irony in that women are ostracized by other women if they excel in a way that is objectively better, i.e. winning in sports, getting better results on work projects, getting better scores on exams, but women who are subjectively more skilled in social settings even if it's by means of cutting down others are popular or praised. Very interesting reading if you ever look at studies on it, and sad to see. 

 

One outcome of the above is that often women who are very good at sports are very subdued when it comes to any celebration of their accomplishments, which isn't very exciting to watch, which means not many eyeballs tuning in. It also means not many stand out in a way that lets people latch on as a fan of their personality since it's not really on display. While the various men's & women's tours share a lot of anecdotes about what players are like, the anecdotes are about the only way anyone watching gets an idea of who many of the ladies playing are. On the course and in their interviews they're so reserved that the average male pro seems like a wild man in comparison. Most fans of women's golf are just fans of golf period, whereas many men have male & female fans who like the personalities attached to the winners or the way they crush the competition. 

 

Outliers like The Williams Sisters who celebrate their wins and aren't quiet & demure when they compete tend to be very popular and earn the views & dollars that come with it. Something, something, the world loves a winner. 

 

All that said, be careful what you wish for. The people wanting women's golf to be more popular are probably going to feel otherwise when every event is packed, easily interacting with the ladies stops being a thing, and morons start screaming "Mashed Potatoes!" on every tee box. 

 

[mbb86]

I've seen Nelly play in person a fair number of times, and my home course hosts an LPGA event. From the eyeball test, I put her at ~+5ish. She's extremely impressive. And a couple of additional important factors:

(1) She is a razor sharp tournament player and will play to that level under any amount of pressure

(2) She can play to that level on a course that she has never played before, or played only a few times before. 

 

There are a lot of people out there that are probably actual 2-5 handicaps that might carry a scratch index, but they play 95% of their golf at their home course and never in competition. That is not an actual scratch golfer IMO. Nelly is a solid 3 leagues better than those players. 

[kiwigolf72]

On the NZ golf handicap website, Lydia Ko's handicap was listed in 2013 as +7.1

Let's say she is currently still at that or better and let's say Nelly is of similar ability, then it should come as no surprise that a scratch player can't compete.

 

Edited January 15 by kiwigolf72

[ThinkingPlus]

18 minutes ago, kiwigolf72 said:

On the NZ golf handicap website, Lydia Ko's handicap was listed in 2013 as +7.1

Let's say she is currently still at that or better and let's say Nelly is of similar ability, then it should come as no surprise that a scratch player can't compete.

 

Pretty sure that is a woman's index. Closer to +1 - +2 men's.

[jimecherry]

3 minutes ago, ThinkingPlus said:

Pretty sure that is a woman's index. Closer to +1 - +2 men's.

+2 in tournament play is miles better than scratch in non competitive play.

[kiwigolf72]

4 minutes ago, ThinkingPlus said:

Pretty sure that is a woman's index. Closer to +1 - +2 men's.

I thought handicaps are based on what tees you play rather than if you were male of female

[ThinkingPlus]

4 minutes ago, jimecherry said:

+2 in tournament play is miles better than scratch in non competitive play.

Agreed. Never said otherwise.

[ThinkingPlus]

1 minute ago, kiwigolf72 said:

I thought handicaps are based on what tees you play rather than if you were male of female

No. Different CRs and slope for each set of tees.

[kiwigolf72]

2 minutes ago, ThinkingPlus said:

No. Different CRs and slope for each set of tees.

sorry how is that different to what I said?

HCs are based on what tees you play