Driven

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So what did you all think of the GC show Driven? Personally I thought the first episode was really cool to watch. Interesting to see how different the coaches were between OSU and OU. Hadn't put a ton of thought into coaches but it really opened my eyes. Also liked seeing the competition they had playing football and basketball.



Looking forward to episode two.

There's definitely something more important that I should be doing.

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  • dcmidnightdcmidnight Marshals, BST Volunteer Mods Posts: 11,714 mod
    Thought it was pretty good, will DVR and watch more. Definitely a different world at these two schools than most golf programs I'm guessing. Private jets, multi million dollar training facilities, PXG sponsorships - interesting to see the behind the scenes stuff though.
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    I thought it was a solid 1st episode, as well. I liked seeing the behind-the-scenes action, some of the preparations, and the actual competitions/results. And, the contrast between the 2 programs was a nice feature. I'll definitely be DVRing it. Finally, what seems to be a decent GC original show, at least recently. What a change from the 'Shotmakers' debacle. image/good.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':good:' />
  • heavy_hitterheavy_hitter Members Posts: 3,063 ✭✭
    I have it DVR'd, but haven't had a chance to watch it yet.
  • bub72ckbub72ck Members Posts: 2,456 ✭✭
    We really enjoyed it. The college experience for these guys is WAYYY different than what I experienced. Some of the scores from OSU were crazy low.
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    I thought is was a good show, much better than that top golf crap.
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    I thought it was great, really hoping the season stays as strong as the first episode.
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  • BrianMcGBrianMcG Members Posts: 2,268 ✭✭
    edited May 15, 2018 #8
    After watching the past two episodes, I’m really in awe of the amount of resources these teams have. Private jets, trainers, nutritionists. What’s really crazy is that given all that for four years only 1 or 2 will be PGA Tour players. No wonder college tuition is so high.



    One thing I noticed about their playing is every single one has nick price like tempo. Really fast back swings, even when putting and chipping. Made me think what it is that there wasn’t even one with a smooth Els or Couples like tempo. Just an observation.
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  • iteachgolfiteachgolf Members Posts: 16,715 ✭✭
    BrianMcG wrote:


    After watching the past two episodes, I’m really in awe of the amount of resources these teams have. Private jets, trainers, nutritionists. What’s really crazy is that given all that for four years only 1 or 2 will be PGA Tour players. No wonder college tuition is so high.



    One thing I noticed about their playing is every single one has nick price like tempo. Really fast back swings, even when putting and chipping. Made me think what it is that there wasn’t even one with a smooth Els or Couples like tempo. Just an observation.




    The college isn’t funding the private jets. You can be sure that stuff comes from donors. Other top 20 programs have old vans and fly coach on commercial fights. Trainers and nutritionist are common at pretty much every university for athletes. Their experience is different than the majority of other programs
  • MadGolfer76MadGolfer76 Admiration is the state furthest from understanding. Members Posts: 19,891 ✭✭
    I dunno. I had to turn it off after a little bit.



    The whole process they use...it just seemed more adorable that everyone was trying so hard and they seemed so serious. Like watching a six year old get down and have a two minute process over a putt.



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    BrianMcG wrote:


    After watching the past two episodes, I'm really in awe of the amount of resources these teams have. Private jets, trainers, nutritionists. What's really crazy is that given all that for four years only 1 or 2 will be PGA Tour players. No wonder college tuition is so high.



    One thing I noticed about their playing is every single one has nick price like tempo. Really fast back swings, even when putting and chipping. Made me think what it is that there wasn't even one with a smooth Els or Couples like tempo. Just an observation.




    The quick tempos caught my eye as well.
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  • dcmidnightdcmidnight Marshals, BST Volunteer Mods Posts: 11,714 mod
    iteachgolf wrote:


    The college isn't funding the private jets. You can be sure that stuff comes from donors. Other top 20 programs have old vans and fly coach on commercial fights. Trainers and nutritionist are common at pretty much every university for athletes. Their experience is different than the majority of other programs




    Boone Pickens alone pledged/donated $165M to OSU Athletics - in one pledge. And thats on top of everything else he's given. Believe me, the private jet and anything else has zero affect on tuition prices.
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  • heavy_hitterheavy_hitter Members Posts: 3,063 ✭✭
    BrianMcG wrote:


    After watching the past two episodes, I'm really in awe of the amount of resources these teams have. Private jets, trainers, nutritionists. What's really crazy is that given all that for four years only 1 or 2 will be PGA Tour players. No wonder college tuition is so high.



    One thing I noticed about their playing is every single one has nick price like tempo. Really fast back swings, even when putting and chipping. Made me think what it is that there wasn't even one with a smooth Els or Couples like tempo. Just an observation.




    I can assure you that no money spent on tuition is being spent on athletics. They are separate entities within the school system.



    I did notice the fast back swings.
  • Redjeep83Redjeep83 Members Posts: 5,129 ✭✭

    BrianMcG wrote:


    After watching the past two episodes, I'm really in awe of the amount of resources these teams have. Private jets, trainers, nutritionists. What's really crazy is that given all that for four years only 1 or 2 will be PGA Tour players. No wonder college tuition is so high.



    One thing I noticed about their playing is every single one has nick price like tempo. Really fast back swings, even when putting and chipping. Made me think what it is that there wasn't even one with a smooth Els or Couples like tempo. Just an observation.




    I can assure you that no money spent on tuition is being spent on athletics. They are separate entities within the school system.



    I did notice the fast back swings.




    I've noticed alot of d1 college swings are more raw swings. Once they get to web.com or pga tour status the swings get more refined.
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    Love that Matt Wolff swing.
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  • Redjeep83Redjeep83 Members Posts: 5,129 ✭✭
    edited May 16, 2018 #16
    stratton nolen, his dad on this forum, never gets any play time. I haven't seen him get much play time his entire 4 years. I would be kinda pissed in his situation
  • heavy_hitterheavy_hitter Members Posts: 3,063 ✭✭
    leezer99 wrote:

    Belmont148 wrote:


    Love that Matt Wolff swing.




    Definitely has a hitch in his get along. Dude goes low... currently T4 in his NCAA Regional.




    I thought the same thing. Very old school lifting the left foot. No doubt the kid can play.
  • heavy_hitterheavy_hitter Members Posts: 3,063 ✭✭
    Redjeep83 wrote:


    stratton nolen, his dad on this forum, never gets any play time. I haven't seen him get much play time his entire 4 years. I would be kinda pissed in his situation




    Why would you be pissed? The players have to qualify to play. There is nothing subjective about it. You either shoot the score or you don't. If you don't you sit at home. That is one of the beautiful things about golf.
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    The part where they show Mathew Wolff and GG was pretty cool. Wolff definitely has a peculiar swing, but it is repeatable and flat out works. This got me thinking.....With all other things being equal, does the looks and mechanics of a player's swing have any bearing on them being picked to be on a team? For instance Player A has a scoring average of 68 and swings it like Adam Scott. Player B has a scoring average of 67 and swings it like Jim Furyk. Which player would be picked?
  • heavy_hitterheavy_hitter Members Posts: 3,063 ✭✭
    kekoa wrote:


    The part where they show Mathew Wolff and GG was pretty cool. Wolff definitely has a peculiar swing, but it is repeatable and flat out works. This got me thinking.....With all other things being equal, does the looks and mechanics of a player's swing have any bearing on them being picked to be on a team? For instance Player A has a scoring average of 68 and swings it like Adam Scott. Player B has a scoring average of 67 and swings it like Jim Furyk. Which player would be picked?




    I don't think it matters. Watching the show I thought all of the OSU golfers had unique swings. I am not saying it is a bad thing. I thought it was refreshing not seeing the same swing by every player. At the end of the day I don't think what the swing looks likes means anything as long as it won't get you injured.
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    Here is the standard mode of transport for other golf teams.
  • Redjeep83Redjeep83 Members Posts: 5,129 ✭✭

    Redjeep83 wrote:


    stratton nolen, his dad on this forum, never gets any play time. I haven't seen him get much play time his entire 4 years. I would be kinda pissed in his situation




    Why would you be pissed? The players have to qualify to play. There is nothing subjective about it. You either shoot the score or you don't. If you don't you sit at home. That is one of the beautiful things about golf.




    From what I've read from people and his dad, he has put up the scores etc but still hasn't got much playing time, mostly because of his size and its been frustrating. The coach that recruited him left his freshman year.
  • hangontighthangontight Members Posts: 543 ✭✭
    kekoa wrote:


    The part where they show Mathew Wolff and GG was pretty cool. Wolff definitely has a peculiar swing, but it is repeatable and flat out works. This got me thinking.....With all other things being equal, does the looks and mechanics of a player's swing have any bearing on them being picked to be on a team? For instance Player A has a scoring average of 68 and swings it like Adam Scott. Player B has a scoring average of 67 and swings it like Jim Furyk. Which player would be picked?




    Great question- would a coach look at Player A and see more growth potential based on more solid (aka normal or pretty) fundamentals. Anyone who has high level high schoolers or kids in college golf have any experience here in recruiting...heavy?
  • Belmont148Belmont148 Members Posts: 1,487 ✭✭
    Redjeep83 wrote:


    Redjeep83 wrote:


    stratton nolen, his dad on this forum, never gets any play time. I haven't seen him get much play time his entire 4 years. I would be kinda pissed in his situation




    Why would you be pissed? The players have to qualify to play. There is nothing subjective about it. You either shoot the score or you don't. If you don't you sit at home. That is one of the beautiful things about golf.




    From what I've read from people and his dad, he has put up the scores etc but still hasn't got much playing time, mostly because of his size and its been frustrating. The coach that recruited him left his freshman year.




    He could have transferred. Obviously it's a decision of ride the bench on a championship team, or get to play a lot for a top 25 somewhere.



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  • heavy_hitterheavy_hitter Members Posts: 3,063 ✭✭
    Redjeep83 wrote:


    Redjeep83 wrote:


    stratton nolen, his dad on this forum, never gets any play time. I haven't seen him get much play time his entire 4 years. I would be kinda pissed in his situation




    Why would you be pissed? The players have to qualify to play. There is nothing subjective about it. You either shoot the score or you don't. If you don't you sit at home. That is one of the beautiful things about golf.




    From what I've read from people and his dad, he has put up the scores etc but still hasn't got much playing time, mostly because of his size and its been frustrating. The coach that recruited him left his freshman year.




    You go to a school based on the players, fit, and the education. Going because of the coach is the wrong reason to go. My opinion is the kid should have transferred. There are countless meetings between players and coach individually and as a group. If his goal was to play he should have asked the coach last year if he could guarantee a spot on the roster. If he said "No" he should have transferred to play somewhere else. That isn't on the coach or the program, it is on the player and his parents.



    As a former coach, if I have a two kids (one a freshman and one a senior) with equal abilities and shooting the same scores I would play the freshman 100% of the time.
  • heavy_hitterheavy_hitter Members Posts: 3,063 ✭✭

    kekoa wrote:


    The part where they show Mathew Wolff and GG was pretty cool. Wolff definitely has a peculiar swing, but it is repeatable and flat out works. This got me thinking.....With all other things being equal, does the looks and mechanics of a player's swing have any bearing on them being picked to be on a team? For instance Player A has a scoring average of 68 and swings it like Adam Scott. Player B has a scoring average of 67 and swings it like Jim Furyk. Which player would be picked?




    Great question- would a coach look at Player A and see more growth potential based on more solid (aka normal or pretty) fundamentals. Anyone who has high level high schoolers or kids in college golf have any experience here in recruiting...heavy?




    Every thing equal between the two players, at the end of the day the number they put up is all that matters.
  • Redjeep83Redjeep83 Members Posts: 5,129 ✭✭

    Redjeep83 wrote:


    Redjeep83 wrote:


    stratton nolen, his dad on this forum, never gets any play time. I haven't seen him get much play time his entire 4 years. I would be kinda pissed in his situation




    Why would you be pissed? The players have to qualify to play. There is nothing subjective about it. You either shoot the score or you don't. If you don't you sit at home. That is one of the beautiful things about golf.




    From what I've read from people and his dad, he has put up the scores etc but still hasn't got much playing time, mostly because of his size and its been frustrating. The coach that recruited him left his freshman year.




    You go to a school based on the players, fit, and the education. Going because of the coach is the wrong reason to go. My opinion is the kid should have transferred. There are countless meetings between players and coach individually and as a group. If his goal was to play he should have asked the coach last year if he could guarantee a spot on the roster. If he said "No" he should have transferred to play somewhere else. That isn't on the coach or the program, it is on the player and his parents.



    As a former coach, if I have a two kids (one a freshman and one a senior) with equal abilities and shooting the same scores I would play the freshman 100% of the time.




    I don't think went because of the coach... Anyway, we don't know the details behind his decisions but I agree about transferring. You being a coach and a coach of a highly recognized d1 school under the spotlight are two different things and decisions are made differently I would imagine.
  • heavy_hitterheavy_hitter Members Posts: 3,063 ✭✭
    edited May 16, 2018 #29
    Redjeep83 wrote:


    Redjeep83 wrote:


    Redjeep83 wrote:


    stratton nolen, his dad on this forum, never gets any play time. I haven't seen him get much play time his entire 4 years. I would be kinda pissed in his situation




    Why would you be pissed? The players have to qualify to play. There is nothing subjective about it. You either shoot the score or you don't. If you don't you sit at home. That is one of the beautiful things about golf.




    From what I've read from people and his dad, he has put up the scores etc but still hasn't got much playing time, mostly because of his size and its been frustrating. The coach that recruited him left his freshman year.




    You go to a school based on the players, fit, and the education. Going because of the coach is the wrong reason to go. My opinion is the kid should have transferred. There are countless meetings between players and coach individually and as a group. If his goal was to play he should have asked the coach last year if he could guarantee a spot on the roster. If he said "No" he should have transferred to play somewhere else. That isn't on the coach or the program, it is on the player and his parents.



    As a former coach, if I have a two kids (one a freshman and one a senior) with equal abilities and shooting the same scores I would play the freshman 100% of the time.




    I don't think went because of the coach... Anyway, we don't know the details behind his decisions but I agree about transferring. You being a coach and a coach of a highly recognized d1 school under the spotlight are two different things and decisions are made differently I would imagine.




    I wouldn't think so. I have went to seminars and know D1 collegiate football and basketball coaches on a personal level. Every thing equal between a freshman and a senior, the freshman is going to start 99.9% of the time. More to gain for the coach by starting the freshman.



    My daughter wanted to go to a bigger D1 program than where she is at. The coach told her that she needed to go to the school she eventually selected. The coach told my daughter she would love to have her as part of the program at the school, offered a little bit of money, but she wouldn't be able to compete for a roster spot until she was probably a junior. Even then she would be scrapping to play. I thought that was awesome she told my daughter that. I have seen her a couple of times since then and have talked and thanked her each time.
  • Redjeep83Redjeep83 Members Posts: 5,129 ✭✭
    edited May 16, 2018 #30
    Well, things wouldn't be equal between a freshman and senior, maybe same scores but the senior has more experience. From what I've seen the senior players will be chosen over say a freshman given same skill set (which is hard to really compare in golf) the freshman has time to learn the ropes from older guys and grow before. They will get their chance and probably play better from all they learned in meantime.



    You get be put in the game too early and can be worse in long run just the same as it helping you out, safer the way I mentioned above
  • heavy_hitterheavy_hitter Members Posts: 3,063 ✭✭
    edited May 16, 2018 #31
    Redjeep83 wrote:


    Well, things wouldn't be equal between a freshman and senior, maybe same scores but the senior has more experience. From what I've seen the senior players will be chosen over say a freshman given same skill set (which is hard to really compare in golf) the freshman has time to learn the ropes from older guys and grow before. They will get their chance and probably play better from all they learned in meantime.



    You get be put in the game too early and can be worse in long run just the same as it helping you out, safer the way I mentioned above




    If you have a freshman playing on that high of a level, he is better than the senior. He has played in enough junior events nationally, men's state amateurs, national am events, USGA events, qualifiers, etc. that he has as much experience as that senior. Has played with other players just as good or better already. In terms of the psyche of the freshman that will be there another 1-3 years it is better to play him because in all tense and purposes the senior is already gone. It will benefit the confidence of the freshman and trust within the coach.
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